The Ultra Series: A black hole feat - Does it check out?

[Mr.Cutlery]

A little bit of context:

That's a planet-sized "black hole", stated in-universe to be a massive gravitational collapse that would suck in even light. It's pull was even strong enough to break apart a moon (Ganymede), indicating that it completely bypassed the satellite's GBE.

Problem is, at the moment, it was very close to Mars, but didn't destroy it when the supposed black hole appeared.

And now, the million-dollar question: Does it check out as being a legitimate black hole?

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bump?

 

[SunDaGamer]

Mars not being destroyed feels like an inconsistency with the show, after all, Ultraman's powerscaling is messy

I'll try to get input from one of the staff

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

PIS, maybe. But yes, please do.

 

[Antvasima]

You can check here for information: Black Hole Feats in Fictio

 

[Eficiente]

Was it said to be a black hole?

 

[SunDaGamer]

well it says that it's described as a gravitational collapse so I'm guessing probably

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Aside from what I posted in the original post, it was only ever called a wormhole.

 

[Akreious]

Ultraman is inherently a children's show so logical consistency isn't it's forte. I mean, the battle with Phoenix Brave and Alien Empera proper caused little to no damage compared to Mebius' normal battles with normal monsters and yet they're both supposed to be in completely different leagues than normal Kaiju.

We also have Ultraman Zero, despite having a planet-slicing sword, struggling with a few rocks from a hill falling on top of him.

PIS is really nothing common in the Ultra Series and I personally believe that if they bring up feats and everything checks out except for maybe one thing, we should probably take the feat as is.

I mean this is the same series where crystals are life forms that make up a planet and can spontaneously regrow itself and grant beings power simply for being angry enough at being dead. Oh and miraculously regrow out of the dead ground even though your entire population was wiped out. Somehow.

Ultraman!

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

That last part... you just perfectly summarized Hikari's entire journey.

But really, though, what are your thoughts on the feat itself?

 

[SunDaGamer]

Even if the feat is accepted, what AP would it be?

 

[Akreious]

As it's a black hole, it'd be stronger than any normal star but weaker than Solar System attack.

So High-End High 4-C.

I think it'd be best to put it at "Likely" or "Possibly" because while we don't know if it really was a black hole, a lot of evidence points towards it as being such; with light not being able to escape being a very notable one. As Dyna later shows up in other universes very much alive and well and seemingly travelling around the different universes, this means he tanked the Black Hole's gravity in it's entirety and as such, High 4-C durability and therefore AP (Since his own attacks are effective against people that can do severe damage to himself).

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

I'm not sure if we can really say Dyna tanked the black hole, since that's apparently not how it works when it comes to surviving black holes.

Best bet is to say that Gransphere's outer shell of sorts was keeping all that energy contained within itself, since it was said even prior to its destruction that it had a very powerful gravitational pull. And since Dyna destroyed it... well, you can tell what follows next.

Also, while I am also 50/50 on this, I really wouldn't just write it off as just another possibility. Another correction, it would actually yield AP somewhere closer to mid-end High 4-C.

 

[Akreious]

"I'm not sure if we can really say Dyna tanked the black hole, since that's apparently not how it works when it comes to surviving black holes."

How would you interpret it then? Dyna went into the black hole, surviving the gravity, went past the event horizon, and as far as we know, completely tanked all of it and is now flying around the universes on a new adventure.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Hey, I'm just saying that because the Black Hole Feats page says that since a black hole's singularity is infinite, it would be a serious stretch to say that a character has infinite durability.

Besides, I already gave my interpretation, didn't I?

 

[Akreious]

"Hey, I'm just saying that because the Black Hole Feats page says that since a black hole's singularity is infinite, it would be a serious stretch to say that a character has infinite durability."

But... we're not... advocating for infinite durability...? Nani?

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Ugh, that's not the point of my reply as well, but whatever, the possibility of derailment exists should this continue so let's stop.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bump.

 

[Akreious]

I get the point of your reply but it shouldn't negate that in the series, it's treated as an actual black hole that at least has the gravitational force to trap in light. If you go into a black hole or a singularity that's powerful enough to trap in light and come out unscathed (To our knowledge), you need to be able to tank the gravity or else your literal atoms would get torn apart long before you reach the event horizon (Which Dyna went through)

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Alright, alright. I get what you're trying to say now.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bump.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Depending on the size of the black hole the tidal forces can be so low that you can dip into the event horizon without being torn into a single stream of atoms.

Durability via surviving black holes is always odd.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bump

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Bump.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Unnecesary bump