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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

I'll try but it ain't easy.
I mean there is a very easy consistency there but considering the tiers you're gravitating towards it's not likely to get proposed.

If you want an easier time, split Pre-Darkhold and Post-Darkhold as well since Orlando essentially says that Darkhold might've boosted her stats, in the letter I posted in the Scarlet WItch thread. Post-Darkhold you can have an easier time arguing at her being superhuman, but of course try to do research on it.
Eh, 10-A sure.
You weren't lying about Classic SW being a physical weakling, it's so hard finding good physical feats for her.
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It's a self-evident change, she was scaled U.S. Agent and Scythia (Hippolyta), both of which we had rejected on the Scarlet Witch CRT, so she didn't have a tier otherwise.

Yeah it's a tiering change, but if something is accepted in a CRT iirc you can make changes based on that (My DC pages for instance, get changed to fit a certain accepted tier without any notification)
Okay. I suppose that seems fine then. 🙏
 
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ok.
 
Hmm. It seems like I mixed up an o with an i for that slur. I will have to fix that in our censor filter. 🙏
 
I mean there is a very easy consistency there but considering the tiers you're gravitating towards it's not likely to get proposed.

If you want an easier time, split Pre-Darkhold and Post-Darkhold as well since Orlando essentially says that Darkhold might've boosted her stats, in the letter I posted in the Scarlet WItch thread. Post-Darkhold you can have an easier time arguing at her being superhuman, but of course try to do research on it.
Interesting, could you please post that scan here?
Eh, 10-A sure.
Cool, thank you!
Don't smoke, it's bad for you.
 
He used the Destroyer armor as a punching bag and severely dented it, and wasn't physically powered up when he fought Cul as far as I recall. Also, Hulk and Thor have damaged true adamantium several times as far as I am aware from their Marvel Comics wiki pages. Kurt Busiek and Tom Brevoort cannot just offhandedly lie and state that it never happened no matter how much they want to lessen Thor's stature. 🙏
He had the Allpower when he dented the Destroyer as well, and was given special weaponry and armor by Odin in order to match Cul. Do you have examples of Hulk and Thor damaging true adamantium?
 
He had the Allpower when he dented the Destroyer as well, and was given special weaponry and armor by Odin in order to match Cul. Do you have examples of Hulk and Thor damaging true adamantium?
Well, these are the instances mentioned in their Marvel Comics wiki pages, but there are likely others.







However, the Hulk was empowered by Cul in the last link. 🙏
 
I think that it was just made of psychic energy. 🙏
 
On a separate note, after looking over a bunch of things regarding the Demattis split and Demattis profile justifications (while marvelling at how poorly the Demattis split was actually applied), a lot of the stuff mentioned seems...suspect, or at least overstated (the Oblivion wank is definitely something else, lol), and a lot of it seems consistent with non-Demattis stuff as Ultima explained on the current Marvel cosmology page, to say nothing of all the times Demattis issues are connected to canon (even as late as 2026)

Honestly, the only thing I really don't see as part of the main cosmology is the Divine Creator. That's basically it.
Anyone have thoughts on this? Might make a CRT for this later.
 
DeMatteis has a much grander view of the cosmology than other writers, and bases it on Hinduism rather than Christianity and Judaism. I think that incorporating it just for the sake of exaggerating Marvel even more than it already is seems like a very bad idea. 🙏
 
Anyone have thoughts on this? Might make a CRT for this later.
I think assuming the Divine Creator to be simply at the very top of the entire Marvel, as opposed to TOAA's World of Action, is unintuitive.
However, wouldn't there be some problems with Eternity and Oblivion?
Oh for sure, Ayodele should NOT be considered part of mainstream Marvel, cosmology wise that is.
Except for that one panel that canonises Starlin's Thanos, obviously 🗿
 
I think assuming the Divine Creator to be simply at the very top of the entire Marvel, as opposed to TOAA's World of Action, is unitive.
Agreed
However, wouldn't there be some problems with Eternity and Oblivion?
Does multiversal oblivion even have any anti feats(not counting ayodele’s stuff obviously), based on the cosmology blog we just assume he’s the far shore because their similar, but he could reasonably be far above that, eternity probably is a problem though, not sure what we’re going to do about eternity, although I don’t think eternity being inconsistent should be a reason to split the whole cosmology
 
Agreed

Does multiversal oblivion even have any anti feats(not counting ayodele’s stuff obviously), based on the cosmology blog we just assume he’s the far shore because their similar, but he could reasonably be far above that, eternity probably is a problem though, not sure what we’re going to do about eternity, although I don’t think eternity being inconsistent should be a reason to split the whole cosmology
If inconsistency between depictions of abstracts were reason enough for a split, we'd have every single cosmic author with their own version of the verse. I'm on the side of leaving Divine Creator stuff out since it's far too different from regular "TOAA-like" depictions but the rest of it I don't really see a problem with
 
Agreed

Does multiversal oblivion even have any anti feats(not counting ayodele’s stuff obviously), based on the cosmology blog we just assume he’s the far shore because their similar, but he could reasonably be far above that, eternity probably is a problem though, not sure what we’re going to do about eternity, although I don’t think eternity being inconsistent should be a reason to split the whole cosmology
As of 8th Cosmos he is fully equal to the rest of the "compass" abstracts. Taking into account Storm - he is comparable to Eternity. Not taking into account Storm... still is.

Technically speaking, there is nothing that wouldn't allow us to assume another version of Oblivion existing even higher... After all, despite us not indexing him, Death exists in the White Hot Room.
 
As of 8th Cosmos he is fully equal to the rest of the "compass" abstracts. Taking into account Storm - he is comparable to Eternity. Not taking into account Storm... still is.

Technically speaking, there is nothing that wouldn't allow us to assume another version of Oblivion existing even higher... After all, despite us not indexing him, Death exists in the White Hot Room.
Do we know if the version of Oblivion that appeared in G.O.D.S. was multiversal or universal?
 
DeMatteis has a much grander view of the cosmology than other writers, and bases it on Hinduism rather than Christianity and Judaism. I think that incorporating it just for the sake of exaggerating Marvel even more than it already is seems like a very bad idea. 🙏
I disagree.

1. The current cosmology page made by Ultima (since Goofy never removed the Demattis stuff) shows how the Demattis stuff is not really much different from what other writers have stated about the cosmology, and actually goes into a lot of detail about it. It's clear Demattis never intended for a split canon, unlike how Oyadele for whatever reason decided to shove DC and JJK into his cosmology.

2. Demattis issues are referenced in a lot of non-Demattis issues, even as recently as this year.

3. Honestly, not that much would truly change. The omniverse would go from 1-A+ back up to High 1-A, and the people above the omniverse would likely gain a few layers, but everything currently 1-A and below honestly stays the same.

4. There are also many non-Demattis scans talking about how each dream is a new reality/layer of reality and whatnot, so it's not Demattis-only.
 
Technically speaking, there is nothing that wouldn't allow us to assume another version of Oblivion existing even higher... After all, despite us not indexing him, Death exists in the White Hot Room.
Hmm, I could see it working, our profile for dematteis oblivion does mention an avatar and that avatar having it’s own realm, so it would make sense for that avatar to be multiversal oblivion and that realm being the far shore, we could probably assume there’s a similar thing with eternity since their pretty much opposites
 
DeMatteis has a much grander view of the cosmology than other writers
I think he more so just fills in the gaps, like what’s above one above all, and providing more info about eternity and oblivion’s dynamic
and bases it on Hinduism rather than Christianity and Judaism
The fifth most popular character in marvel is a Norse god, marvel will never have it’s cosmology not incorporate multiple religions, also one above all is very different than the Christian/jewish god
I think that incorporating it just for the sake of exaggerating Marvel even more than it already is seems like a very bad idea. 🙏
It’s not for the sake of exaggeration, it’s for the sake of including everything, at best our 1-A+/high 1-A stuff would gain a few layers and we’d be able to actually define what’s above one above all, at worst nothing would change
 
I think he more so just fills in the gaps, like what’s above one above all, and providing more info about eternity and oblivion’s dynamic

The fifth most popular character in marvel is a Norse god, marvel will never have it’s cosmology not incorporate multiple religions, also one above all is very different than the Christian/jewish god

It’s not for the sake of exaggeration, it’s for the sake of including everything, at best our 1-A+/high 1-A stuff would gain a few layers and we’d be able to actually define what’s above one above all, at worst nothing would change
This. Including legitimate feats and accurate cosmological scaling isn't exaggeration, it's increasing accuracy based on a scope established by the authors.
 
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