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The Reaper hunts a Rabbit (Koronsei vs Bunny, Battle for Strongest High 8-C)

Bunny supposedly starts with Time Stop and resets on death. Saying that before DT gets here
 
Ive heard that as well. Really though, all Korosensei has to do is look at her funny to completely dissolve all of her will to fight, brainwash her, or paralyze her consciousness before the thought to stop time even crosses her mind.
 
She starts with time stop immediately (that is thought-based as well, iirc). From what I'm seeing, Koro has to instantly start with the brainwashing shenanigans.
 
I mean, Koro's stuff is also thought-based. In fact, his ability to basically seem as a complete non threat even to trained assassins with incredible senses is passive, and its orders of magnitudes above his student's who he taught the ability to. At worst, Bunny doesn't even notice Koro is there unless he wants her to. At best, Bunny doesn't even register that he's an enemy at all and let's him brainwash her.
 
Welp, that's all I can give input on. Gotta wait for Donttalk now.

Enjoy your debate, it's gonna be a long one.
 
Why are either of these characters on the strongest non Smurf list
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lol, calm down. I just dont think Korosensei should be anywhere in the list at all. The stuff he has which is instantaneous has only ever causes hesitation or some other small effect, not victory in a fight. Acting like the brainwashing can do much here is kind of odd. I feel like somebody who could create explosions or something would probably beat Koro sensei.
 
Yeah, so, having read Assassination Classroom I can tell you that there is no chance at all that Korosensei actually plays any of his wincons against what looks like a child doing cosplay, especially as he has no way to even know that he needs to get remotely serious here.
He is straight up more likely to encourage her trying to kill him.
 
Yeah, so, having read Assassination Classroom I can tell you that there is no chance at all that Korosensei actually plays any of his wincons against what looks like a child doing cosplay, especially as he has no way to even know that he needs to get remotely serious here.
This isn't standard Korosensei, it's the reaper whose killed over 1000 people including many children. He also has info analysis that can tell him whether he needs to be serious, so.
 
The Reaper key isn't High 8-C.
 
The Tentacle Monster IS The Reaper, just with korosensei tentacles, who is High 8-C.
 
I see, I see. So you go for the Tentacle Monster key.
Yeah, so the problem is that key is too lethal. Worst case he kills her, time reverses automatically, she kills him during time stop next time. Best case, she kills him during time stop the first time.

He would need to hit a very specific sweet spot between his lethal and non-lethal personality to have any chance in this fight at all and IIRC he has no feats at all of doing that.
 
I see, I see. So you go for the Tentacle Monster key.
I'm pretty sure I have to do this, since hes the only key that qualifies for the tier and normal Koro is only tier 8 with blasts.

Anyways, Reaper-Sama doesn't just kill haphazardly unless he feels the need to. While in captivity he could've easily slaughtered all of his captors and escaped if he wanted to, but didn't because he had his own agendas.

Unless Bunny presents herself as a crazy threat that he needs to end right away, I don't see why he wouldn't just use his social and mind stuff to completely dissolve her will to fight.

Not to mention she doesnt actually have the necessary weapons to kill him, any weapons not Anti-Sensei weapons dissolve inside of antimatter bodies.
 
Anyways, Reaper-Sama doesn't just kill haphazardly unless he feels the need to. While in captivity he could've easily slaughtered all of his captors and escaped if he wanted to, but didn't because he had his own agendas.
Yeah... thing is, there is no agenda here for him not to kill her. Not killing her won't get him extra powers.
Unless Bunny presents herself as a crazy threat that he needs to end right away, I don't see why he wouldn't just use his social and mind stuff to completely dissolve her will to fight.
On the contrary, I see nothing that would make him spare someone like that when he assumes they want to seriously harm him.
Has he any showing of doing that to anyone at all without circumstances to stop him?

Also, like, he gets barely any time to do that, 'cause Bunny won't hesitate. So if he doesn't see her as enough of a threat he won't do that stuff fast anyway.
You need him to be simultaneously so alarmed that he instantly tries to do something to her and not be so alarmed that he actually decides to kill her.
So, again, you need to hit a super specific sweet spot that I'm fairly sure he has no showings for.
Not to mention she doesnt actually have the necessary weapons to kill him, any weapons not Anti-Sensei weapons dissolve inside of antimatter bodies.
During stopped time? Nah. And not her laser sword in general. Don't think the explosives would care either.
 
Yeah... thing is, there is no agenda here for him not to kill her. Not killing her won't get him extra powers.
I feel you got my point. His first thoughts in any harmful situation aren't "kill instantly be done gg". Especially since Bunny is, well, a Bunny girl, for all he knows she could be another product of experiments just like him, which WOULD give him an agenda to spare her life.
On the contrary, I see nothing that would make him spare someone like that when he assumes they want to seriously harm him.
He is under the impression that his body is effectively invincible, so even if he did know this, he wouldn't care because he wouldn't even perceive her as able of killing him.
During stopped time? Nah. And not her laser sword in general. Don't think the explosives would care either.
I don't see how time being stopped makes a difference. Once it unstops it'll just dissolve. He's also immune to conventional explosives, only Anti-Sensei grenades do anything.
 
I feel you got my point. His first thoughts in any harmful situation aren't "kill instantly be done gg". Especially since Bunny is, well, a Bunny girl, for all he knows she could be another product of experiments just like him, which WOULD give him an agenda to spare her life.
The Reaper wouldn't care for another subject out of comradery, especially when he assumes they wish to kill him. If he had any intention to save someone he would have dismantled the project from the beginning. (Unless, of course, this is after his redemption, in which case he won't work against the child)

His first thoughts when attacked with lethal intentions is not mind stuff gg. He never did that.

You are arguing for a mindset he never displayed.
He is under the impression that his body is effectively invincible, so even if he did know this, he wouldn't care because he wouldn't even perceive her as able of killing him.
Which sure didn't stop him from killing all those other people.
Also, if he assumed she were an experiment product, like you just suggested, then he would not assume she couldn't kill him.

Also, again, he would need to accomplish the whole thing incredibly fast. Does he even have feats of being able to do that fast to someone of equal thinking speed? The page states it needs like 3 minutes for all the significant effects (and that is against someone not already determined to kill him) which is way too slow.
I don't see how time being stopped makes a difference. Once it unstops it'll just dissolve.
During stopped time chemistry can't happen. Something being dissolved involves movement of molecules to interact with things. This movement doesn't happen during stopped time.
He's also immune to conventional explosives, only Anti-Sensei grenades do anything.
He isn't shown immune to explosives with those stats.
 
The Reaper wouldn't care for another subject out of comradery, especially when he assumes they wish to kill him. If he had any intention to save someone he would have dismantled the project from the beginning. (Unless, of course, this is after his redemption, in which case he won't work against the child)
Not what I meant—the Reaper only has a single year left to live in this state. If another being like him exists that he knows has a longer lifespan, he could use her to potentially prolong his life.

Not to mention, he doesnt actively have to talk her down. Just like his student, he's always using skills that induce constant relaxation and complete unawareness of any threat he may pose. Unless she has prior knowledge, Reaper-Sama doesnt even have to decide to influence her, he just does.
Which sure didn't stop him from killing all those other people.
Because they were the guys who kidnapped him and literally tortured him for months on end? I don't see the comparison between a bunny girl and a bunch of evil scientists who had been experimenting on him.
Also, again, he would need to accomplish the whole thing incredibly fast
No, he doesn't. Even his basic presence induces pretty good social influencing, and a simple smile or passing word can completely brainwash somebody.

And if he actually wants to prolong her being able to think or take actions against him, all he has to do is project a basic amount of bloodlust to cause her a bunch of hallucinations or yell a bit loudly to paralyze her consciousness with the stunner technique (you'd know of it as the clap stunner, but he can perform it with basically any form of sound).
During stopped time chemistry can't happen. Something being dissolved involves movement of molecules to interact with things. This movement doesn't happen during stopped time.
Either way, stabbing him with normal weapons that aren't Anti-Sensei won't kill him, even if they don't dissolve within him. Given she also has an AP disadvantage (since Koro scales pretty far above the guy who did the High 8-C feat), just stabbing at him conventionally isn't going to work.
He isn't shown immune to explosives with those stats.
It's not a matter of stats, it's a matter of fundamental physiology. Normal metal and explosives just doesn't kill him, Anti-Sensei materials are specifically designed to split his cells like tofu, which is the point of using them.
 
So that those of us here that don't know Assassination Classroom can follow, the key we are talking about lasts from 16:08 to 20:00 in this video. Anything before that is first key (or technically something inbetween first and third, as he is not fully human, but also not High 8-C yet), anything after that is second key. Only those 4 minutes are third key.

That's the mindset and information on his fighting we have. It's him on a murder rampage trying to test out his powers. This key doesn't exist with a different mindset.



Not what I meant—the Reaper only has a single year left to live in this state. If another being like him exists that he knows has a longer lifespan, he could use her to potentially prolong his life.
He has no reason to assume Bunny has a longer lifespan. Quite the opposite. He knows what the lab has on research in antimatter creatures, because he pretty much guided the research himself, and hence is aware that there is no solution.
Not to mention, he doesnt actively have to talk her down. Just like his student, he's always using skills that induce constant relaxation and complete unawareness of any threat he may pose. Unless she has prior knowledge, Reaper-Sama doesnt even have to decide to influence her, he just does.
SBA says she assumes he is a threat from the get go, so just seeming non-threatening isn't going to work. He would need to actively get her down from a state of threat.
It is double not going to work, as that attribute does no at all apply to this key as the video above shows nicely.
Because they were the guys who kidnapped him and literally tortured him for months on end? I don't see the comparison between a bunny girl and a bunch of evil scientists who had been experimenting on him.
Which would be an argument if he had any other showings, which he doesn't. It's not like he cared about innocents as the Reaper.

Also, he technically may as well assume that the girl trying to kill him does in fact work with the lab guys.
No, he doesn't. Even his basic presence induces pretty good social influencing, and a simple smile or passing word can completely brainwash somebody.
Nope. Can't instantly subvert someone who is trying to kill him.
His best feat with a smile is to get a non-combatant cautious of him from "I won't take your bindings off because you definitely will kill me" to "I won't take your bindings off because I'm cautious about you trying to kill me".

And in his tentacle monster form the whole thing is kinda more difficult as he looks like a monster.
Either way, stabbing him with normal weapons that aren't Anti-Sensei won't kill him, even if they don't dissolve within him. Given she also has an AP disadvantage (since Koro scales pretty far above the guy who did the High 8-C feat), just stabbing at him conventionally isn't going to work.
NLF. He has no feats of being immune against anything of that pay grade.
It's not a matter of stats, it's a matter of fundamental physiology. Normal metal and explosives just doesn't kill him, Anti-Sensei materials are specifically designed to split his cells like tofu, which is the point of using them.
Also NLF.

And provably wrong. In the final battle we see tentacle hits and stuff injure Korosensei and pose a threat to him. Those don't have Anti-Sensei properties.
He isn't an immortal or anything.
 
Do not be disingenuous and completely ignore the circumstances of why he went on that murderous rampage to begin with. The people he killed were scientists who kidnapped him and specifically had tortured him for months on end in order to make him inhuman. You are practically lying by trying to push this as an end all be all for his mindset.
He has no reason to assume Bunny has a longer lifespan. Quite the opposite. He knows what the lab has on research in antimatter creatures, because he pretty much guided the research himself, and hence is aware that there is no solution.
He guided it after a singular month of self-study, after which he had no other resources other than watching people years less advanced than what he knew. There was no other being of human size that had hypothetically similar features to his that he could've used as a basis for further research until he was literally in a mindset where he didn't care if he died or not, because society wouldn't accept him even if he could live.

This is also factually wrong because there is a solution, they quite literally discover a drug that will allow Korosensei to live for 90 years past his initial expiration date.
SBA says she assumes he is a threat from the get go, so just seeming non-threatening isn't going to work. He would need to actively get her down from a state of threat.
It's literally a passive ability that does this, SBA does not circumvent a skill that allows one to do this. I don't understand this train of thought.
Which would be an argument if he had any other showings, which he doesn't. It's not like he cared about innocents as the ReReaper.
Him not having other showings isn't an excuse to ignore the context of the situation. The Reaper was not a mass murderer before the experiments, he was an assassin who simply happened to have racked up a lot of kills across jobs. The only time it's ever said or insinuated he went on murderous rampages is when it's shown that he's killing people who have actively tortured him after kidnapping him.

If The Reaper just went on murderous rampages as standard mindset, I do not think he would be much of an assassin, haha.
Nope. Can't instantly subvert someone who is trying to kill him.
His best feat with a smile is to get a non-combatant cautious of him from "I won't take your bindings off because you definitely will kill me" to "I won't take your bindings off because I'm cautious about you trying to kill me".
He wasn't actively trying to brainwash there. It's even said later that he could have brainwashed Aguri easily but simply made the choice not to. The Reaper spends most of his time in captivity thinking "I COULD kill them, brainwash them, or do literally anything and easily escape but do i really WANT to?" He's testing the waters.
NLF. He has no feats of being immune against anything of that pay grade.
Call it an NLF if you want, but that's just how his body works.
 
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