The Last era Hinata Hyuga upscale in combat speed, AP and durability.

[Tdjwo]

Man. This is taking so long So far, only 1 person kinda disagrees with the durability scaling while 3 people already agree with the durability and speed scaling. Hope he finally agrees too

 

[mal]

Sai, Shikamaru and Sakura indeed got engulfed by the tornado

but they didn't get slammed all the way from the crust to the surface. I don't know how they escaped the tornado but we clearly didnt see them right where the tornado made an impact. Only Naruto and Hinata got that treatment

what bruh? see that scene again n their position.


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3S gonna slam the crust first before NaruHina.

There was no mention of Shikamaru, Sakura and Sai being blasted from the crust to the surface. Only Hinata and Naruto. It's also the same thing in the anime as we could only see Hinata and Naruto on the surface of the moon.

what? so this isnt surface of the moon?

There was no mention of Shikamaru, Sakura and Sai being blasted from the crust to the surface. Only Hinata and Naruto. It's also the same thing in the anime as we could only see Hinata and Naruto on the surface of the moon

same like naruhina nowhere stated they got slammed by that but got thrown away by tornado

"Naruto and Hinata were thrown onto the moon's surface as a result of Toneri's tornado"

"The beads began to spin at high speed, and formed a tornado. Naruto and the others wereengulfed in a chakra whirlpool.While being tossed about by the tornado, Naruto and Hinata held hands and endured."

the same tornado 3s got hit n tanked it w no injuries. that mean 3s scale to that too

 

[Tdjwo]

what bruh? see that scene again n their position.


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3S gonna slam the crust first before NaruHina.

It seems you don't understand what that gif showed.



The Tornado was spinning downwards not upwards. Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru didnt get slammed downwards. Instead, they got blown away. Meanwhile, Hinata and Naruto were spinning downwards and got slammed downwards just like your gif showed. Let me ask you a question. If the 3S indeed got slammed like you said, why werent they shown at that surface where Naruto and Hinata were? Why did we see them in an entire different location?

what? so this isnt surface of the moon?

Yes it is but it isnt were the tornado made an impact with the moon. This is a far away surface on the moon. Only Hinata and Naruto were shown to be on the surface where the Tornado blasted them.

same like naruhina nowhere stated they got slammed by that but got thrown away by tornado

"Naruto and Hinata were thrown onto the moon's surface as a result of Toneri's tornado"

It literally says "Naruto and Hinata were thrown onto the moon's surface as a result of Toneri's tornado" That means they were slammed onto the surface by the jutsu.

"The beads began to spin at high speed, and formed a tornado. Naruto and the others wereengulfed in a chakra whirlpool.While being tossed about by the tornado, Naruto and Hinata held hands and endured."

the same tornado 3s got hit n tanked it w no injuries. that mean 3s scale to that too

Like I said earlier, the tornado didnt slam the 3S. They were only engulfed in it and they somehow escaped it before getting slammed on the moon. If they got slammed like Naruto and Hinata, we would have seen them beside Naruto and Hinata. But as you can see, only Hinata and Naruto were shown at the place where the tornado made a massive impact.

Meanwhile, Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru were shown here.


Do you notice how smooth the surface here is compared to where you saw Hinata and Naruto landing? That's because they never got slammed by that tornado. If they did, there would have been a crater formed as deep as a mountain like we saw with Hinata and Naruto. Shikamaru literally had to ask where Hinata and Naruto were. It means they got lost after being blown away due to the tornado.

I really appreciate you replying to my comments and I'm very greatful but it seems we are not reaching anywhere and this has been dragging on for a very long time. How do we conclude this now? Thanks alot for replying and I really hope you agree this time around.

 

[Tdjwo]

You do that by bumping the thread, not posting a new one.

Simply commenting on a thread will bump it so others might see it. Do not bump multiple times a day though.

Hi admin. It seems there's no further reply here anymore. So far, majority seems to agree to Hinata's High 7A durability/AP/likely far higher and Relativistic speed upscale. What should I do next?

 

[EmilioRory10]

I agree with speed, neutral on durability/AP

 

[Tdjwo]

Thanks for the response.

 

[mal]

Thanks for the response.

u doesnt need to slammed on the moon surface to scale to it. if they tanked that same tornado that did the damage then all scale to it.

 

[Tdjwo]

u doesnt need to slammed on the moon surface to scale to it. if they tanked that same tornado that did the damage then all scale to it.

The tornado didnt even do anything to Sakura, shikamaru and sai. It only blew them out of the way. Meanwhile, the tornado slammed Hinata and Naruto from the crust of the moon down to the surface of the moon and made that large crater we can see on the moon's surface.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Speed scaling seems fine, unsure about the statistics upgrade but I'll contact some knowledge staff members.

@UchihaSlayer96 @Shadowbokunohero

What do you guys think about the upgrades suggested in the OP?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well, we generally tend to avoid CRTs that involve a single/few characters now since we're in the middle of a verse wide revision; however, since literally nobody scales to Hinata, I suppose this is fine.

The speed scaling is fine at a glance. The head puppet clearly scales to base Naruto, and Hinata fought them, so yeah. Pretty straightforward.

As for the AP, Hinata fighting the Head Puppets isn't worth much. This is because their only feat is fighting base Naruto, who's Unknown atm. Now, this will definitely change in the future, but for now it won't net her any solid rating. (Though I don't mind it being added in her AP description to show her scaling)

As for the tornado thing, that needs to be calculated and evaluated first. Unless you're proposing that she simply scales to TCM Toneri outright, which does not seem to be the case.

 

[Tdjwo]

Well, we generally tend to avoid CRTs that involve a single/few characters now since we're in the middle of a verse wide revision; however, since literally nobody scales to Hinata, I suppose this is fine.

Thanks.

The speed scaling is fine at a glance. The head puppet clearly scales to base Naruto, and Hinata fought them, so yeah. Pretty straightforward.

As for the AP, Hinata fighting the Head Puppets isn't worth much. This is because their only feat is fighting base Naruto, who's Unknown atm. Now, this will definitely change in the future, but for now it won't net her any solid rating.

Wouldn't her durability also scale to her AP since she tanked the same attack that required KCM Naruto tanking as well?

(Though I don't mind it being added in her AP description to show her scaling)

Oh I see.

As for the tornado thing, that needs to be calculated and evaluated first. Unless you're proposing that she simply scales to TCM Toneri outright, which does not seem to be the case.

I know she obviously doesnt scale to TCM Toneri. How I determined her durabiity was that I checked the novel scan where it was stated that Hinata was slammed from the moon's crust all the way down to the surface.
https://dochub.com/wisnbciecbeibenenidi-228/DL7JlEGV1EBQlPyVrWe0oa/img-20220101-0032085-jpg
https://dochub.com/dineiej0edjei-228/8YZWO9NV8gyXAxlKzEAy30/img-20220101-0032423-jpg
After that, I I checked up the durability of a moon's crust and found out that it was 100 km thick meanwhile, the crust of the largest mountain on earth is just 70 KM at most. This means she got slammed into a thicker and larger crust than what you could ever get from the largest mountain on earth.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Thanks.

No problem.

Wouldn't her durability also scale to her AP since she tanked the same attack that required KCM Naruto tanking as well?

Unfortunately, no. We don't scale AP to durability. We only scale durability to striking strength due to Newton's 3rd law.

I know she obviously doesnt scale to TCM Toneri. How I determined her durabiity was that I checked the novel scan where it was stated that Hinata was slammed from the moon's crust all the way down to the surface.
https://dochub.com/wisnbciecbeibenenidi-228/DL7JlEGV1EBQlPyVrWe0oa/img-20220101-0032085-jpg
https://dochub.com/dineiej0edjei-228/8YZWO9NV8gyXAxlKzEAy30/img-20220101-0032423-jpg
After that, I I checked up the durability of a moon's crust and found out that it was 100 km thick meanwhile, the crust of the largest mountain on earth is just 70 KM at most. This means she got slammed into a thicker and larger crust than what you could ever get from the largest mountain on earth.

I understand. The issue is that we only assign values like this when there are accepted calcs. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking if a feat is possible to calculate, then we calc it.

 

[Tdjwo]

No problem.

Unfortunately, no. We don't scale AP to durability. We only scale durability to striking strength due to Newton's 3rd law.

Oh. That makes sense. But would it still be in her AP description like you said earlier?

I understand. The issue is that we only assign values like this when there are accepted calcs. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking if a feat is possible to calculate, then we calc it.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to pixel scale and I don't think its even possible to pixel scale this since it was from a movie and there isnt any manga version of it. All the scans showing the impact of the tornado to the moon makes it very hard to scale them pixely. There is no clear cut or scene. That's why I determined it through the thickness of their crusts from the novel since the crusts are the hardest and toughest parts of the moon and mountain. Does this count as an exception?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oh. That makes sense. Would it still be in her AP description like you said earlier?

Not the durability feat, no.
But her scaling to the Head Puppet, and thus base Naruto? Yeah, sure. That can definitely be added to her AP description.

I don't know how to pixel scale and I don't think its even possible to pixel scale this since it was from a movie and there isnt any manga version of it. All the scans showing the impact of the tornado to the moon makes it very hard to scale them pixely. There is no clear cut or scene. That's why I determined it through the thickness of their crusts from the novel since the crusts are the hardest and toughest parts of the moon and mountain. Does this count as an exception?

It's fine, you don't actually have to calculate it yourself. You can submit a request for it to be calculated on the Calculations Request Thread. Make sure to follow the rules in the OP before making your request though.
Alternatively, if you know someone who can calculate feat, you can ask them to do it privately.

 

[Tdjwo]

Not the durability feat, no.
But her scaling to the Head Puppet, and thus base Naruto? Yeah, sure. That can definitely be added to her AP description.

It's fine, you don't actually have to calculate it yourself. You can submit a request for it to be calculated on the Calculations Request Thread. Make sure to follow the rules in the OP before making your request though.
Alternatively, if you know someone who can calculate feat, you can ask them to do it privately.

Oh. Thanks for the help.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oh. Thanks for the help. Deserve a follow.

My pleasure man, anytime.

 

[Tdjwo]

My pleasure man, anytime.

Wait so since the speed scaling has been accepted for Hinata, are you going to change it in her profile now?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Wait so since the speed scaling has been accepted for Hinata, are you going to change it in her profile now?

Might wanna wait for a couple more staff approvals just to be safe.

 

[Nierre]

Ayee you got 2 mods on

Nice. Just get like maybe 1 or 2 more, since you already got Uchiha and Griffin to agree.

 

[LordTracer]

I also agree with upgrading her speed, and I disagree with upgrading her AP for the reasons that others have mentioned.

Although Hinata should at least have “7-B, likely higher” AP since she’s obviously stronger than she was in Part II.

 

[Confluctor]

Where does the "stronger than she was in part ii" thing comes from? Is it from a novel or...? Cause I can't remember it from the manga. Neither Naruto nor Boruto manga

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Where does the "stronger than she was in part ii" thing comes from? Is it from a novel or...? Cause I can't remember it from the manga. Neither Naruto nor Boruto manga

From the LAST: Naruto the movie. She received a Six Paths chakra buff from Hamura in the movie.

 

[Tdjwo]

Where does the "stronger than she was in part ii" thing comes from? Is it from a novel or...? Cause I can't remember it from the manga. Neither Naruto nor Boruto manga

She is considered a master of the gentle fist by the time the movie got released and after she got Hamura's chakra. Hinata in part 2 wasnt a master of the gentle fist yet. That means she got a lot stronger.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

She is considered a master of the gentle fist by the time the movie got released. Hinata in part 2 wasnt a master yet. That means she got a lot stronger.

That too, I suppose. Though this could be interpreted to be mostly skill based, rather than AP based. It does at least prove she trained.
You got a quote on this though?

 

[Confluctor]

Ah, I see

 

[Tdjwo]

That too, I suppose. Though this could be interpreted to be mostly skill based, rather than AP based. It does at least prove she trained.
You got a quote on this though?

It was stated twice from the Boruto databook and the last movie databook
https://dochub.com/orcokmepmeemci-2...mg-f9d5fca0f31c056026bae36a735f49db-pjlq-jpeg

 

[Nierre]

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"untrusted"

 

[Tdjwo]

"untrusted"

Check it again. I fixed it lmao.

 

[DenLitz]

This is a post going to talk about the possible upscaling of Hinata due to her underrated feats performed in Naruto:The Last movie and it's novelization which are both canon although the movie is considered more of a canon material. Some of the scalings I'm going to use here comes from someone quite popular on Quora who specialises in scaling Hinata. I'm quite of a newbie around here so please if I make any mistakes in my scalings you could kindly and nicely inform me. Thanks.
First of all, let's talk about how powerful Base Naruto in TL(The Last) movie should be. Base TL Naruto is obviously going to be more powerful than his base self from the war arc and even his sage mode and KCM 1 self. Base the Last Naruto was able to react and counter Tenseigan mode Toneri's golden wheel incarnate an at the same time punching him in that process.

This reaction and combat speed feat was placed at Relativistic speed level. Now compared to his sage mode and KCM 1 self in the war arc which are calculated to be at most Sub-relativisitc lvl due to him reacting to the Raikage's fastest punch, TL Base Naruto is far faster than his KCM 1 version.
The reason why I think this is a wonderful way to upscale Hinata's speed is due to her being able to react, outmaneuver and beat Toneri's "Head Puppet" which is the leader of the other random puppets we saw in the Last movie. This Head puppet is the puppet amped with the Tenseigan.

This Head puppet was capable of reacting to a bloodlusted TL Naruto more than once

Temporarily fought on par with TL Naruto twice

Outspeeding Naruto who was attempting to blitz him by expending a lot of chakra just to keep up but couldn't.

But when the puppet fought Hinata, he got manhandled easily by her. The puppet literally tried a sneak attack on her and got pummelled instead.

Remember, she did this without using her byakugan which would improve her combat and reaction speed. She also did this while fighting the other random puppets

In the novel's version, it was specifically stated that she fought multiple of the head puppets along with their lower ranking subordinates this time around but she used her byakugan this time too.

These feats should put her at base TL Naruto's lvl in combat and reaction speed which is Relativistic. I think the reason she got this powerful and fast was because her base became amped with hamura's chakra kinda the same way Naruto and Sasuke's base got amped too.
As for Hinata's durability upscale, it is gotten from when Toneri used his Silver wheel reincarnation explosion on Naruto, Hinata, Sai, Sakura and Shikamaru

This explosion blew a very large chunk of the moon. I might be wrong but this attack should be at the very least High 7A tier and likely far higher if we look at how wide the damage caused on the map in that GIF. The AOE looked a little larger compared to this.

Only Hinata and KCM Naruto where shown to be able to get up immediately after Toneri launched that explosion.

Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru were nowhere to be found anymore after the attack. The next time we saw them was after Naruto completely defeated Toneri which was over one hour later via the Raikage's statement of giving Naruto's team an extra hour of fighting on the moon before blowing it up. Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru were probably healing up their wounds after the explosion because it would make no sense for us not to see them anymore till after the fight. This should scale Hinata's durability to the impact of the explosion which is at least a High 7A tier.
I also checked out the novel. It was stated that Hinata got slammed from the crust of the moon to the surface
https://dochub.com/jwoneibsnwo-228/DL7JlEGV1EBQlPyVrWe0oa/img-20220101-0032085-jpg
https://dochub.com/dineiej0edjei-228/8YZWO9NV8gyXAxlKzEAy30/img-20220101-0032423-jpg
I researched how thick the crust of the moon was compared to the largest mountain on earth, and I found out that the crust of the moon was 100 kilometres thick while the thickness of the largest mountain on earth was just 70 kilometres.
Moon crust= 100 kilometres
Large Mountain crust= 70 kilometres.
Therefore, this feat is at least a large mountain lvl feat and likely higher
At first when I saw this feat in the movie, I thought it was an error or an inconsistent scaling but it actually makes sense since her abilities were getting amped by Hamura's chakra. Everything about her powers became better the moment she got chakra from Hamura. Her byakugan became so much advanced that she could see over 20 KM, her Twin lion fist became purple in colour, she was capable of refillig Base Naruto and half Kurama's chakra effortlessly, she was able to outreact and blitz the head puppet that reacted to base Naruto's attack. So her tanking an attack that blew a large chunk of the moon shouldn't even suprise me. I feel that Hinata is severely underrated power-wise and only known as being a "waifu" while they overlook her feats.
It's nice becoming a new member here and I hope this post should convince you guys as this would be a new start and achievement in my scaling ability on battle wiki.
Thanks for Reading!

At first glance I agree with Relativistic Speed, and for Durability with a crust of 100 Km it might be assumed that the diameter is 0.5 Km, after I calculate with the feat of a crust of 100 Km and a diameter of 0.5 Km I get Mountain-Level ( 7-A ) Durability

If the diameter of the crater is 1 Km, then my calculation is Large Mountain-Level (H7-A), does using 1 Km diameter for the crater look redundant? If not then I agree with Hinata Large Mountain-Level ( H7-A) Durability

 

[Tdjwo]

At first glance I agree with Relativistic Speed, and for Durability with a crust of 100 Km it might be assumed that the diameter is 0.5 Km, after I calculate with the feat of a crust of 100 Km and a diameter of 0.5 Km I get Mountain-Level ( 7-A ) Durability

If the diameter of the crater is 1 Km, then my calculation is Large Mountain-Level (H7-A), does using 1 Km diameter for the crater look redundant? If not then I agree with Hinata Large Mountain-Level ( H7-A) Durability

Wait. Are you helping me to calculate it? If thats the case, I'm very grateful.

 

[DenLitz]

Wait. Are you helping me to calculate it? If thats the case, I'm very grateful.

Yeah, but I lack evidence for the diameter of the crater, so I can only assume the diameter is 0.5 km or 1 km

We'd better wait for the opinion of the staff or other members to be sure

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

M3X, a Calc Group Member and knowledgeable Naruto supporter, said he'd attempt calcing the feat for us, but it might take some time.

 

[EmilioRory10]

she wouldn't scale to the full force though, since the calc would be with a much bigger surface area than what she took, right?

 

[The_Alxhemist]

she wouldn't scale to the full force though, since the calc would be with a much bigger surface area than what she took, right?

Yea pretty much. Since we didn't see the feat onscreen M3X assumptions will probably be in line with this

 

[Tdjwo]

M3X, a Calc Group Member and knowledgeable Naruto supporter, said he'd attempt calcing the feat for us, but it might take some time.

@Shadowbokunohero DenLitz The_Alxhemist
I just asked one of the calc group members to help me scale the durability feat and he told me he already scaled something very similar before which was this link below. It was calculated to at least island level. And I stated that the tornado feat was better than this chakra blast feat.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Naruto_(The_Last):_There's_a_Hole_in_the_Moon
Hinata's durability feat might be better than I thought.

 

[Nierre]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Naruto_(The_Last):_There's_a_Hole_in_the_Moon

If this is accepted, we can finally remove the Unknown from New Era Naruto's profile

 

[LordTracer]

There was a CRT for that calc a while ago and it wasn’t accepted.

 

[Tdjwo]

There was a CRT for that calc a while ago and it wasn’t accepted.

Oh. But why?

 

[mal]

The Tornado was spinning downwards not upwards. Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru didnt get slammed downwards. Instead, they got blown away.

no. it clearly stated they "engulfed" mean they inside the tornado n got hit by it. so they blown away are headcanon n nowhere stated.

"Naruto and Hinata were thrown onto the moon's surface as a result of Toneri's tornado"

"The beads began to spin at high speed, and formed a tornado. Naruto and the others wereengulfed in a chakra whirlpool.While being tossed about by the tornado, Naruto and Hinata held hands and endured."

the same tornado that have enough power to do that thing n 3s got hit n tanked it w no injuries. that mean 3s dura scale to that tornado.

Like I said earlier, the tornado didnt slam the 3S. They were only engulfed in it and they somehow escaped it before getting slammed on the moon.

"somehow" so its ur theory not a fact

If they got slammed like Naruto and Hinata, we would have seen them beside Naruto and Hinata. But as you can see, only Hinata and Naruto were shown at the place where the tornado made a massive impact

bcuz naruto helds hinata's hand not 3s hand.

 

[Tdjwo]

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