The Front Man vs Jigsaw (Squid Game vs SAW)

[Flashlight237]

So The Front Man and Jigsaw do pretty much the same thing, putting people though deadly games that may or may not stack up to Mario Party 3. Under his first key, Jigsaw is 10-A, but the thing is his traps, such as the Reverse Bear Trap (which itself is 9-C from being capable of tearing a head in half), are the things that show Jigsaw's power over people regardless of his own capabilities. There is one problem... Neither combatant typically fights themselves.

So, how will we pit these two against one another? Simple, we pit their games against each other. After all, this is where The Front Man and Jigsaw both shine.

For this match, we shall put 32 people each from their respective franchises through each other's games. This mean people from the SAW universe will go through the Squid Game while people from the Squid Game universe will go through Jigsaw's game. The conditions? Whoever has the deadlier game (that is, whoever has the least amount of survivors left wins).

Both combatants will be given ample prep time, either enough time to organize a Squid Game or enough time to prepare one of Jigsaw's games, whichever takes longer. Both combatants will also have their respective lackeys, with The Front Man having his Playstation-looking guards and Jigsaw having his aides.

Here are their profiles:

The Front Man's Profile
Jigsaw's Profile

Who has the deadlier game?

The Front Man: 7 (ShionAH, Arkansalter2, AThe1412, King Dom470, Bernkastelll, Deadguy999, ThePrimalHunter)
Jigsaw: 1 (Noniho)
Their Games are Equally Deadly: 0

 

[Deadguy999]

What is stopping them from making the games impossible just to win. I mean they probably don’t wanna do that cuz not fun but this is a vs battle

 

[Flashlight237]

What is stopping them from making the games impossible just to win.

Two things would stop them from doing that.

1. The Squid Game is a game ran for prize money, so there's always going to be one survivor who would be deemed the winner.
2. Impossible is a very subjective concept to begin with. I personally don't know the intellectual capabilities of Squid Game contestants, nor do I know the intellectual capabilities of the people who went through Jigsaw's games, hence the verse swap condition I put in.

 

[AThe1412]

What is stopping them from making the games impossible just to win. I mean they probably don’t wanna do that cuz not fun but this is a vs battle

Front Man gotta worry about keeping the VIPs entertained as they're the ones funding the games other than himself and the creator who's dead now. Jigsaw also doesn't rig his traps as that goes completely against his philosophy.

 

[Deadguy999]

Two things would stop them from doing that.

1. The Squid Game is a game ran for prize money, so there's always going to be one survivor who would be deemed the winner.
2. Impossible is a very subjective concept to begin with. I personally don't know the intellectual capabilities of Squid Game contestants, nor do I know the intellectual capabilities of the people who went through Jigsaw's games, hence the verse swap condition I put in.

So they weren’t aware of this VS battle?

 

[Flashlight237]

Front Man gotta worry about keeping the VIPs entertained as they're the ones funding the games other than himself and the creator who's dead now. Jigsaw also doesn't rig his traps as that goes completely against his philosophy.

That helps.

 

[Flashlight237]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

Gi Hun wins both games

 

[Arkansalter2]

I seen a good portion of the saw movies. But imma go with the Jigsaw storyline.
Alright so 32 people are trapped in the Bucket Room. To get out of this one, an offering of blood, no matter how little, shall set them free. Now, I do expect everyone to do a little offering but it'll always be that one person who is just stubborn and unfortunately, gets their head zerged and died along with likely another. 30 remain.
Next is the Chain Hangers. One of the survivors were injected with poison that activates at any moment. There are 3 syringes. 1 is filled with acid, 1 with saline solution, and one with the antidote to the poison. They will slowly be lifted up, strangling them in the process. Now, guaranteed, 1 person will die because theres 30 people and nobody knows who has the poison. Eventaually, all three syringes will be injected into different people. But unfortunately, the person injected with the poison did not get the antidote and dies and another survivor injected with the acid dies. 28 remain.
The Grain Silo Trap and the Leg Wires. They messed around and they found out. 27 people are in a grain silo, trying to find a way to escape. 1 person steps into the leg wire trap and gets their leg stuck. The Leg Wire victim tries to cut the wires with a smuggled knife but the wires only grow tighter. At the same time, the Grain Silo victims are experiecing grain beginning to fall into the silo. After around 5 minutes, the grain stops. 5 people are unable to swim in the midst of the crowd so they died by suffocation. Afterward, various sharp objects start falling in the silo. A pitchfork impales a survivor in the head, killing another. And a sawblade impales another, killing another. The remaining survivors yell at the Leg Wire trapped survivor to pull the lever. The survivor couldn't bring himself to do it. A sai impales another survivor in the head, killing them. A cannonball squashes another survivor's head, killing them. Eventually, the Leg Wire trapped person pulls the lever and the wire constricts the leg to the point of it being sliced off into 3 pieces. In total 9 people died with the leg cut person eventually succumbing to the lost leg. 10 people died. 17 remain.
Next up: the Cycle Trap. A person was already rigged into a trap hanging upside down by a leg. The rigged had to pull the brake at the bottom of the sharp spinning coil or get zingy zliced. The guy was hesitant however eventually reached out for the brake but got knicked, pulling his arm back. Another survivor climbed to the top of the coil and stopped the engine temporarily with a metal rod, however it breaks, startling the survivor and making him fall into it, killing them. Eventually, the rigged succumbed to the trap, getting zinglinged (gotta be euphemistic here) and dying. 15 remain.
Shotgun Keys. All remaining survivors in the room were knocked out with a gas sedative. Some time later, 8 wake up in a pig milking room. Kramer yaps a bit along with saying "You've been doing things backwards..." yaps more, and then pulls out a shotgun and a shell saying "Heres your key to freedom." A survivor grabs the shotgun and wants to shoots a surivor but instead the gun was rigged to shoot backwards. A survivor wanted to warn them but it was too late. They pulled the trigger and it shot backwards, killing them. The key, that was in the shell, shattered, dooming all other survivors. They all died eventually due to dehydration.
The rest of the 7 ended up in The Laser Collars. They must confess their crimes. That's it. There is a button that chooses the person who pressed it to go first. They're confused but one of them presses it, admits to stealing a car, and gets freed. Another gets pulled back at random and within 15 seconds, they didn't confess and they get zapped through, killing them. 2 other shares the same fate. 3 remain in the trap. They choose the smart option and confessed accordingly freeing them.

32 went in, 4 came out alive.

As for squid games, literally only one can get out alive.
Frontman's games are more deadlier because no matter what, only 1 will be able to make it out alive.


Frontman wins.

 

[AThe1412]

Squid Games FRA.

 

[King_Dom470]

Front Man FRA

 

[Bernkastelll]

Front Man FRA

 

[Deadguy999]

Squid game FRA

 

[Random-Helper323]

Can we really say at least one player of the Squid Game always has to survive? What's to stop the whole lot being gunned down in Red Light Green Light, or the whole lot running out of time in the Glass Stepping Stones? The intent is for one to survive, but it's not guaranteed. As it was Sung-Woo and Gi-Hun could have suffered injuries similar to Sae-Beook's when the glass exploded.

Based on the way the games are rigged, I'd say Jigsaw is "kinder" than the front man in this regard.

 

[Flashlight237]

Can we really say at least one player of the Squid Game always has to survive? What's to stop the whole lot being gunned down in Red Light Green Light, or the whole lot running out of time in the Glass Stepping Stones? The intent is for one to survive, but it's not guaranteed. As it was Sung-Woo and Gi-Hun could have suffered injuries similar to Sae-Beook's when the glass exploded.

Based on the way the games are rigged, I'd say Jigsaw is "kinder" than the front man in this regard.

I think that would still make Squid Game the deadlier of the two. The idea of Jigsaw's game is to assess how grateful his targets are, even if some (well, most) die.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I think that would still make Squid Game the deadlier of the two. The idea of Jigsaw's game is to assess how grateful his targets are, even if some (well, most) die.

Season 1 and 2 both had 455 players, and the intent is for one person to survive. 1/455 means a 0.2197% chance of survival, and that's if anyone survives at all. An exploding glass bridge or everyone being gunned down says no guarantee of that. I don't think Jigsaw's game has that low of a survival rate.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Season 1 and 2 both had 455 players, and the intent is for one person to survive. 1/455 means a 0.2197% chance of survival, and that's if anyone survives at all. An exploding glass bridge or everyone being gunned down says no guarantee of that. I don't think Jigsaw's game has that low of a survival rate.

Yeah I basically summarized it in my previous message.

 

[Deadguy999]

Based on the way the games are rigged, I'd say Jigsaw is "kinder" than the front man in this regard.

Agreed. Saw’s games are only testing one’s bravery while squid game has more RNG like the glass bridge and cookie

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yeah I basically summarized it in my previous message.

Jigsaw's survival rate (nastiest game): 4/32 / 12.5%

Squid Game's survival rate (any individual game): 1/455 / 0.2197%

Numbers seem to speak for themselves here...

 

[ShionAH]

In Saw some traps force people to work together while some make you compete against eachother. In Squid Game EVERY GAME makes you compete against eachother.

 

[Nonynho]

Jigsaw also doesn't rig his traps as that goes completely against his philosophy.

I thought that too
But I gave this analysis a watch and it changed my vision quite a lot, lol. Quite long, yeah, but really worth it


And via that + indeed, In Ho has to entertain VIPs + usually people don't have enough willpower to mutilate themselves to win (generally, either when Jigsaw imagined all the games or when he imagined it partially and his apprentices executed it, it is not uncommon for nobody to end up alive (even when he intended the game for everyone to survive if they weren't dumb, everybody ended up dead and the guy whose test was to JUST stay quiet, sitting with him, died)
I handle the edge for Jigsaw, even tho I know it won't change much lol

 

[Flashlight237]

I thought that too
But I gave this analysis a watch and it changed my vision quite a lot, lol. Quite long, yeah, but really worth it


And via that + indeed, In Ho has to entertain VIPs + usually people don't have enough willpower to mutilate themselves to win (generally, either when Jigsaw imagined all the games or when he imagined it partially and his apprentices executed it, it is not uncommon for nobody to end up alive (even when he intended the game for everyone to survive if they weren't dumb, everybody ended up dead and the guy whose test was to JUST stay quiet, sitting with him, died)
I handle the edge for Jigsaw, even tho I know it won't change much lol

Both your and @Arkansalter2 's arguments for each side are pretty good in my eyes. I do like how Arkansalter2 presented a general picture of how a SAW game would work under typical circumstances, whereas you acknowledged that the mental fortitude of the Squid Game contestants would be a tish more on the line than they would in Squid Game.

I will point out that the last game of Squid Game's first season was a 1v1 deathmatch, although I think the thing that would affect the mental fortitude the most might be the cookie challenge due to the sheer precision needed to do so. Comparatively, Jigsaw's game usually has clear tasks set for the victim.

 

[Nonynho]

Also to be took into consideration: Saw's intention is to get those who committed horrible things (both to him and to others) and make them pass those brutal games to both make them never do whatever they did again, and test if they value their lives/the lives of who they're supposed to care and protect...and most of them don't have the mental fortitude to endure all games (or the game was kinda unfair like Saw 4 or 5).
And In-Ho has a very deep respect for the rules, as he both wants the game to always work 100% and has to entertain VIPs, which makes sure that, except if they're dumb enough, there's always one winner, and comparing that to a game that consistently no players get out alive despite being possible (and likely if they do what Billy's audios tell them to)...to me gets quite easily to the conclusion I pointed out

 

[Flashlight237]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Player 001 FRA

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Front dude FRA

 

[PlutoValid]

frontman fra