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The Fodder vs The Girl who died too soon in her series.

Homu_Sweet_Homu

Homu_Sweet_Homu

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The fodder needs a good match up where he didn't get stomped, so I gives him one.

Shinigami Substitute Ichigo is used, speed is not Unequalized. Starts 10 meters apart, takes place in an abandoned warehouse.

Bleach 01 - The Substitute
Mukuro DR3
Ichigo Kurosaki: 7 (Dat, Kazui, Zack, the Stomp King, Rebu, Core, Knight)
Mukuro Ikusaba: 4 (Cursed, Red, Thefir, Xanxus)

Inconclusive: 1 (Butler)
 
Mukuro might be more experienced, but Ichigo is far from being an amateur. He has fought more dangerous opponents before like hollows that shown not mindless and even able to elude and kill shinigami for years aka Shrieker and Grand Fisher, He has fought hollow that can spit acid (Acidwire), Hollow that can create explosive leeches (Shrieker), Can use threads to restrain and regenerate (Grand Fisher).

And remember, even when still a human he has trained in Karate when he was a child and always fighting with the School Gangs and other punks so I believe he isn't that far in fighting experience and life and death situation, so I believe he can hold his own against her.

In term of power, Ichigo can overpowered a fully charged cero blast and took hits from nerfed Renji, so he should be well above baseline building level.

He also has good endurance like seriously, in his fight with Grand Fisher he stabbed right in his chest and can keep fighting with serious injuries, so he definitely can take a punch or two or even more from her, and stamina wise I believe he can fight for nearly a day running around the town while fighting hollows when Ishida use the hollow baits and even then he hasn't shown tired and still able to overpowered a cero from Menos.

He also has better mobility since he can jump and stand on the sky, useful for dodging Mukuro's attack as he is shown able to escape Shrieker's bomb by fly/jump away and get closer to Shrieker, not to mention he able to keep up with Grand Fisher that said to be faster than him. He also has fought inside the building before like his room, Inoue's room, hospital corridor, so fighting indoor like the abandoned warehouse should not be a something new for him.

And he still has accelerated development to learn and adapted Mukuro's fighting style (I believe he always has accelerated development as he naturally a quick learner and the fact he defeated hollows from a fodder hollow to menos). So yeah, Ichigo take this with difficulty.
 
I do not think Mukuro's experience will help her, ichigo fought with characters with more experience than him, Voting in ichigo for Dot's reasons.
 
This Ichigo isnt experienced against humans like Mukuro is.

I dont remember Ichigo using the whole flying thing as Substitute Shinigami, so I would like to have some scans on that.

There is a thing with hitting hollows, since they are bigger, is supposedly easier to hit them than just a normal person, I would like to remind you guys of that.

Doing martial arts is not remotable comparable to Mukuro, who fought against one hundred monokuma at once (They are all 8-C by the way and supersonic as well), while having to dodge military grade turrets firing at her.

About the endurance thing, yeah he does have more, it would be a moot point to say otherwise.

@Kazuik This ichigo here didnt have experience in fighting shinigami and other stuff as well, and I would like to remember you guys that she fought equally against Peko Pekoyama, who is the Ultimate Swordsman in that verse, so she should have experience in fighting swordsmen.

@Gargoyle, who is Vash?

And for the last thing I would like to point out, is that Ichigo is merciful on the others, a thing which he doesnt share with Mukuro, not to mention that she still have the whole Battle Trance, which everything seems slow to her.
 
@CursedGentleman,

Well he fought Renji once. Remember, speed is equalized.

Ichigo flight in his fight with acidwre and during his fight with shrieker.

Here,Here, Here, and Here.

Ichigo is merciful? SBA allow the combatant to willing to kill.

Mukuro might has advantage in skill, but Ichigo has better endurance, stamina, mobility and accelerated development to outlast her.
 
He was stomped by Renji until he got that sudden power up tho.

Thanks for the scans.

He still would rush in without thinking of a plan.

Not to mention that Mukuro still have the range since she owns guns, but for some reason they arent listed.

So Ichigo wins in : Endurance, staminga, mobility and hax.

Mukuro: Experience, skill, range and she would likely have superior speed if it wasn't equalized
 
" she would likely have superior speed if it wasn't equalized"

"Speed is not"

Whaddya mean if

"unequalized"

fuq.
 
Well still, he fought a shinigami so I think that counts as experience ovo

Range? The OP said 10 meters away tho.
 
I though I didn't have to specify the firearms. Oh well, Mukuro has an Assault Rifle in this fight (Any kind of AR, but maybe Aug A3 would look good on her).

Also, just some reference Mukuro likely has the AP here since she easily fought hundreds of this thing with nothing more than a sharpened pipe.

Aside from some people, I don't know who votes who right now.
 
Supersonic Mukuro and then if Ichigo somehow managed to back her into a corner, she enters Battle Trance. So, I really think she wins here.

In terms of experience, I don't really think Ichigo has more experience. Mukuro, at a very young age, has received military training. Also winning a "Survival Game Tournament" in elementary school. So, she has technically a lot of experience.

Also, just some reference Mukuro likely has the AP here since she easily fought hundreds of this thing with nothing more than a sharpened pipe.

And yeah, this thing too.

As well as managing to defeat Peko with a sword (she's the Ultimate Swordswoman), while only using a knife. She also managed to kill all of the Madarai Brothers, brothers that are super synchronized and has the Ultimate Talent of a bodyguard.

She can still win even if she's handicapped or has a lot of disadvantages but this is a different story, being three times faster than Ichigo, I think she wins here. (Even if you equalize speed, she still is superior on speed, so nothing will change in that part) and as well as having a range advantage. She could technically maintain her range from Ichigo while shooting at him but engaging him into a hand-to-hand combat or just melee can work too.
 
Hmm, interesting this is a good match and debate!

Well, I'm not saying Ichigo is more experienced but, in term of experience Ichigo isn't that far, he trained in karate since four years old and the fact every hollows he fights is many years older than Ichigo and has fought shinigami for years and shinigami are trained since they were young at the accademy and trained to kill hollows. Remember, the thing he faced is more dangerous than trained human since they have various abilities other than martial arts as I mentioned above.

Power wise I already mentioned above that Ichigo can overpowered a fully charged cero and his power keep growing till Byakuya rekt him, he even able to scratch nerfed Renji and then get stomped when Renji used shikai and then proceed to stomp Renji when he recieved power ups. So it safe to say that he also pretty much above building level.

About speed, well... It's equalized, And about her Battle Trance is it speed amps? If it's a speed amp then it's fine speed to be equalized then to avoid speed blitz (But it's up to Homu I guess). Even then Ichigo has react to hollow that faster then him and he can react slightly to Renji and proceed blitz him when powering up, reacting to explosions and such. Remember while bigger than human, every hollows he has fought can fly and maneuver in the air.

About range, they are in melee range (10 meters). Even then, guns should not be surprising for Ichigo as he fought hollow that can spit acids, bombs, and energy beam. Remember, Menos Grande also has size and range advantage with energy beam and he can block and deflected those energy beam and reacted to pointblank explosion so it's safe to say he can block the bullets with his big sword. He also fought hollows that try to maintain their range like shrieker.

If Ichigo somehow managed to back her into a corner she enters Battle Trance? Well then, If Mukuro managed to back Ichigo corner then he can get power ups with his reiatsu like he did against Renji, I guess he technicall can since it's a form of stat amps? But I digress.

Sorry for wall of text btw.
 
Speed is not unequalized.

EDIT: Homu, why not say that Speed is equalized instead. That confused me.

I am voting for inconclusive instead, Mukuro is extremely good at close range combat that even the likes of Ichigo, it could still be equal. Knowing how she can 1v100 a lot of 8-C's while being shot at by mounted machine gun turrets at the same time.

Also, I think for battle trance, everyone slows for her so can that be speed equalized as well? Well, doesn't matter if it gets equalized or not, her reflexes increases as well. Inconclusive for either, no battle trance or with battle trance.
 
I just realized Vash, Nero and Ichigo share the same VA.

Might as well said Johnny Yong Bosch FRA instead lel.
 
Fodder Sweet Fodder


Just a Random Fodder


FodderOfBalance


Dat Fodder


RebubbleFodder


CursedFodder


Gargoyle Fodder


FodderOfAnnihilation666


We're all fodder
 
Well, look like I'm late here. Maybe it's useless, but let's me try to defend Mukuro. Just for fun at finale.

While Ichigo used to defeated hollows and Menos. But Danganronpa is also a decently strong verse. I mean, the verse have a lot of people that have talents on levels that far above than normal people. Even primary school's pupils are able to fight with giant robots which have size as houses and equip with powerful weapons like missile and energy beam. And the verse have human like Great Gozu who can deal with something like that. And Mukuro is stronger than all of them. So I can say that Mukuro is really a specialist on combat here.

Mukuro also went to war since she was a child. When talking about war, we can think about barbed wire, gunfire from all directions, minefields, tanks and possibly some of robots. Mukuro faced all of those on the front lines and "never received a wound". So she should be really tactical and combat genius.

Ichigo is also a good on combat, but he still be a guy with a big sword. which should be prefer to on close-mid range. Mukuro should be able to know it and use that for her advantage. And with her variety on weapons like combat knives, rifles and grenades. She can fought on any range without having disadvantage.

Also, Like I said before that Mukuro should be tactical and combat genius. So she should fight with some tactical which really give her more advantages, such as aim on Ichigo's hand to make him swing his sword harder, use combine attack with rifle and grenade to attack from blind spot or use things on her enviroment to narrow the vision of her enemy. Ichigo may have a lot of endurance, but he also should got a lot of disadvantage when the time passed.

Ok, the defendant is ended here, your honor. *bow*
 
Mukuro also went to war since she was a child. When talking about war, we can think about barbed wire, gunfire from all directions, minefields, tanks and possibly some of robots. Mukuro faced all of those on the front lines and "never received a wound". So she should be really tactical and combat genius.

Ichigo is also a good on combat, but he still be a guy with a big sword. which should be prefer to on close-mid range. Mukuro should be able to know it and use that for her advantage. And with her variety on weapons like combat knives, rifles and grenades. She can fought on any range without having disadvantage.

Yeah, this is what I was trying to say. I really can't see Mukuro losing to Ichigo due to that, which is why I voted for inconclusive instead. (I think just count this as a vote for Mukuro, it's better that way, don't question my life decisions, Homu XD). I just really have some bad life decisions, you know.

Mukuro's experience is immense that learning Karate at a young age doesn't probably matter when used to compete with her experiences, look at Sakura, I think Sakura has more experience in Martial Arts than Ichigo by a lot. Mukuro should be a lot stronger than Sakura who can't even defeat a Monokuma and Mukuro just beat 100 of them.
 
Yeah, it was all my fault. Blame me for his title.

And well, I can't miss a good debate so I'm gonna defend Ichigo again ovo

>People that have talents on levels that far above than normal people. Even primary school's pupils are able to fight with giant robots which have size as houses and equip with powerful weapons like missile and energy beam. And the verse have human like Great Gozu who can deal with something like that. And Mukuro is stronger than all of them

You're just describing Shinigami and Hollows where both of those things above normal human where hollows also have various ability and Menos have size of a building and can shoot energy beam too. And even some fodder shinigami can deal with hollows as they trained too.

>Mukuro also went to war since she was a child. When talking about war, we can think about barbed wire, gunfire from all directions, minefields, tanks and possibly some of robots. Mukuro faced all of those on the front lines and "never received a wound". So she should be really tactical and combat genius.

Not arguing about that, Mukuro is smarter, but Ichigo also fought something that fly, create bombs and even took near pointblank explosion from shrieker and energy from menos nearly unschated.

>Ichigo is also a good on combat, but he still be a guy with a big sword. which should be prefer to on close-mid range. Mukuro should be able to know it and use that for her advantage. And with her variety on weapons like combat knives, rifles and grenades. She can fought on any range without having disadvantage.

Range is 10 meters according to OP, Ichigo will try to get close and this is not the first time he faced someone who try to keep their distances and can fly and even with variety of weapons she need to change her weapon not too mention Ichigo fought something with the worst stuff than guns, aka acids, exlosives leeches (Yes, leeches bombs) and energy beams.

>Also, Like I said before that Mukuro should be tactical and combat genius. So she should fight with some tactical which really give her more advantages, such as aim on Ichigo's hand to make him swing his sword harder, use combine attack with rifle and grenade to attack from blind spot or use things on her enviroment to narrow the vision of her enemy. Ichigo may have a lot of endurance, but he also should got a lot of disadvantage when the time passed.

She's smart but Ichigo is not stupid either and that assuming she can keep the distances and use grenades. And like I said before Shrieker fighting style is the same way. Keep the distance and use the leech bombs. Even then Ichigo managed to figure out the weakness of Shrieker (his tongue trigger the explosion) and rip it's off. Further supporting my statement that Ichigo is not stupid and can figure out his opponent's weaknesses. And the time passed on she will lose the advantage either since guns has limited bullets, so does grenade. And Ichigo's endurance is allow him to keep fighting while being stabbed right in the chest. And Ichigo has fought hollows nearly for whole days so he can last longer in fight.

>Mukuro's experience is immense that learning Karate at a young age doesn't probably matter when used to compete with her experiences, look at Sakura, I think Sakura has more experience in Martial Arts than Ichigo by a lot. Mukuro should be a lot stronger than Sakura who can't even defeat a Monokuma and Mukuro just beat 100 of them.

Hmm I see, learning Karate from kid is only one of his experience feats where he gain enough experience to keep up fighting variety of hollows. And Ichigo's keep growing until Byakuya rekt him, remember he can scratch Nerfed Renji a little and proceed to stomps him with power up. And even nerfed Renji is above the hollow like Menos. I'd say their power isn't that different.

Again, sorry for wall of text.
 
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