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Sealing is all he really needs.
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Thanos vs. Madoka
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Thanos via Sealing and stuffs,...My vote for now
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I don't like the Thanos spam this is what happens when you fight Sonic I guess
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UM has resistance towards sealing upscaled from Kazumi if I remember correctly who in turn was sealed by the one who sealed most of the soul gems in the Freezer (?, or at least based on the fact that she had control over the sealing shown later on)
If my scans for UKG regarding her status as a witch go through, then even her Mind Manip resistance should be upscaled higher.
Also, were these the universal versions of the characters that were sealed? Needless to say, universal <<<<<<<<< multiple multiverses. Not to mention UM's real body exists somewhere higher.
Pretty sure Thanos' range got retconned anyways considering... you know, the entire "only works in its origin universe" thing
If my scans for UKG regarding her status as a witch go through, then even her Mind Manip resistance should be upscaled higher.
Also, were these the universal versions of the characters that were sealed? Needless to say, universal <<<<<<<<< multiple multiverses. Not to mention UM's real body exists somewhere higher.
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The "universal" abstracts aren't universal. They're multiversal+ on a ridiculous scale. Should be much higher than 2 multiverses. For example - Lord Chaos Master Order Eternity
Also the retcon doesn't apply to 1990s IG. Maybe if it was after the retcon but not before.
Also the retcon doesn't apply to 1990s IG. Maybe if it was after the retcon but not before.
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I'm refering to their level of omnipresence when speaking about the universal abstracts.
The issue is that we (bar a few exceptions like the Beyonder) don't seperate retconned from pre-retcon.
Not to mention, just looking at Thanos' page its clearly not Pre-Retcon Thanos. A lot of the information is after 1990s IG.
The issue is that we (bar a few exceptions like the Beyonder) don't seperate retconned from pre-retcon.
Not to mention, just looking at Thanos' page its clearly not Pre-Retcon Thanos. A lot of the information is after 1990s IG.
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Uh it's multiversal+ on their page. Aso if you still have doubts there's this.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11134/111340454/6244272-6315792252-Mrqbs.jpg
Adam Warlock and co vs Magus was a fight to decide the fate of an entire Marvel Multiverse.
Magus can affect realities from far away.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11134/111340454/6212686-5480568682-JM26V.jpg
Also no. All of the abilities are from the 1990s part of the 1990 IG run - Thanos Quest, The Infinity Gauntlet etc. So yes most of it is Pre-Retcon. If we don't accept that then I'm pretty sure Ant or one of the other mods knowledgable on marvel would've said something.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11134/111340454/6244272-6315792252-Mrqbs.jpg
Adam Warlock and co vs Magus was a fight to decide the fate of an entire Marvel Multiverse.
Magus can affect realities from far away.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11134/111340454/6212686-5480568682-JM26V.jpg
Also no. All of the abilities are from the 1990s part of the 1990 IG run - Thanos Quest, The Infinity Gauntlet etc. So yes most of it is Pre-Retcon. If we don't accept that then I'm pretty sure Ant or one of the other mods knowledgable on marvel would've said something.
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? I'm asking for their degree of omnipresence, the page just says Omnipresent and doesn't add to that. I'm not asking for AP.
If it was Pre-Retcon, it would distinctly say Pre-Retcon, like the Beyonder:
Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
Beyonder (Post-Retcon)
If it was Pre-Retcon, it would distinctly say Pre-Retcon, like the Beyonder:
Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
Beyonder (Post-Retcon)
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Across the multiverse obviously otherwise if they were confined to a universe they wouldn't have multiverse+ range.
Thanos had the IG pre retcon and all his abilities are pre-retcon. Obviously it's pre-retcon.
Thanos had the IG pre retcon and all his abilities are pre-retcon. Obviously it's pre-retcon.
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You can still have range larger than your state of being. Just look at, literally any profile.
It occured pre-retcon, but that's the entire point of retcons. To change what occured.
It occured pre-retcon, but that's the entire point of retcons. To change what occured.
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<Proceeds to nitpick about files that have extended Melee rangeSomebodyData said:
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Their degree of omnipresence doesn't matter either way because the IG has enough range to affect the marvel multiverse.
Doesn't mean shit because this is pre-retcon IG.
Doesn't mean shit because this is pre-retcon IG.
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Magus wasn't even using the IG to do that, he had Cosmic Cubes, he was even said by Thanos to be using a power above that of the IG. And deciding the fate of the multiverse is some vague sh*t.EmperorRorepme said:
How's any of this above all the stuff stated and demonstrated about the IG only working in its universe?
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@Emperor I mean sealing something across the multiverse is definitely not comparable to sealing something that is said multiverse (and a bit more).
Not to mention I've already pointed out she has resistance and passives to do him in, but okay.
"Doesn't mean shit" If it was only counting Thanos circa 1990s, it would be stated as such. It's clearly not, if it was, why not just ask Ant to change its page title to Pre-Retcon Thanos? Untill then, its modern Thanos.
@Eficiente well like we're saying, it was a rule retconned in.
"Doesn't mean shit" If it was only counting Thanos circa 1990s, it would be stated as such. It's clearly not, if it was, why not just ask Ant to change its page title to Pre-Retcon Thanos? Untill then, its modern Thanos.
@Eficiente well like we're saying, it was a rule retconned in.
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He has the range to do it.
Is that sealing comparable to Thanos' because it being upscaled gives her an unquantifiable rrsistence.
Thanos had the IG in the 1990s. So how can IG Thanos be Modern Thano? It's obviously pre-retcon IG otherwise it wouldn't even be a tab let alone have all the abilities coming ftom that era. So there's no need to change it at the present time if this is understood.
@Efi
Because IG>Cosmic Cube in all aspects at least pre-retcon. Thanos says as much himself.
It isn't vague at all. It's pretty clear if you can read and proves the IG can affect the multiverse pre-retcon.
Is that sealing comparable to Thanos' because it being upscaled gives her an unquantifiable rrsistence.
Thanos had the IG in the 1990s. So how can IG Thanos be Modern Thano? It's obviously pre-retcon IG otherwise it wouldn't even be a tab let alone have all the abilities coming ftom that era. So there's no need to change it at the present time if this is understood.
@Efi
Because IG>Cosmic Cube in all aspects at least pre-retcon. Thanos says as much himself.
It isn't vague at all. It's pretty clear if you can read and proves the IG can affect the multiverse pre-retcon.
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Ignoring again, the fact that Madoka spans two multiverses and true self exists in a plane above that: I'm not saying he lacks the range in that argument, I'm saying he hasn't sealed anything of that state of being/size.
What do you mean?
Retco. The entire point, as I'm trying to explain to you, is that the retcon alters the story retrospectively, including the 90s IG Thanos. Again, if it was pre-retcon Thanos, it would say pre-retcon.
To use another example, Vegito. SSJ Vegito occured before the Potara earring got retconned to lasting 1 hour for mortals, but this means that SSJ Vegito now has canonically a weakness in that regard.
What do you mean?
Retco. The entire point, as I'm trying to explain to you, is that the retcon alters the story retrospectively, including the 90s IG Thanos. Again, if it was pre-retcon Thanos, it would say pre-retcon.
To use another example, Vegito. SSJ Vegito occured before the Potara earring got retconned to lasting 1 hour for mortals, but this means that SSJ Vegito now has canonically a weakness in that regard.
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I mean, Vegetto's fusion was never permanent to begin with, he defused during the Boo saga.
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But the explanation was retconned in, which is the point here.
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There wasn't an explanation of why they defused back then.
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Yep, then it got retconned in? Not exactly sure what your angle is here.
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Since there wasn't an exlanation to begin with, nothing was retconned.
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The thing with the IG is that all it's abilities are affected by range since it's essentially mastery over space, time, reality, power, mind and soul. Also what "higher reality" does she exists in that's beyond the range of the IG.
The point is the IG Thanos on the page is pre-retcon. All the abilities are from his run in 1991. So it is pre-retcon even if the tab doesn't explicitly say "pre-retcon". None of the 2015 IG feats and abilties are used in the tab.
The point is the IG Thanos on the page is pre-retcon. All the abilities are from his run in 1991. So it is pre-retcon even if the tab doesn't explicitly say "pre-retcon". None of the 2015 IG feats and abilties are used in the tab.
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@Lonliosite https://www.google.com/search?q=retcon&oq=retcon&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1003j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
^ Here's the retcon definition page again, since it seems I need to bring it up again.
@Emperor It's Heaven in PMMM, it exists beyond the multiverse.
"All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent," which includes his previous tabs. Again, unless its explicitly stated to be Pre-Retco, it assumes all modern information. Make a CRT on that if you really want to. This argument has only been going in circles and is based on interperting the nature of a vsb page rather than even a feat, unless a staff member says otherwise, its just Thanos. Not 1990s Thanos.
^ Here's the retcon definition page again, since it seems I need to bring it up again.
@Emperor It's Heaven in PMMM, it exists beyond the multiverse.
"All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent," which includes his previous tabs. Again, unless its explicitly stated to be Pre-Retco, it assumes all modern information. Make a CRT on that if you really want to. This argument has only been going in circles and is based on interperting the nature of a vsb page rather than even a feat, unless a staff member says otherwise, its just Thanos. Not 1990s Thanos.
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I know the meaning of retcon. As I've said it doesn't mean anything to a pre-retcon Thanos.
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Didn't see your comment, edited my message.
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When it was stated this was Pre-Retcon Thanos by the way?
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His Cosmic Cube run where he gets all the abilities from in the previous tab are before his run with the infinity gauntlet in 1991. So both tabs are effectively pre-retcon.
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That's the entire point of a retcon. It alters or adds upon the details of a previous run retrospectively.
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The key on his page is IG Thanos from 1991 so obviously it's pre-retcon by default if you use IG Thanos. His range and stats with the IG are multiversal as opposed to the universal range in post-retcon.
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Either way we can thank the inconsistency of Marvel for this whole conversation.
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So I'm dropping this debate, since clearly you're not listening.
It doesn't matter that the run is from 90s, a retcon retroactively changes the information avaliable about IG Thanos.
There is no post-retcon or pre-retcon page. To debate this any further would be a waste of time since you're not bringing anything to the table, and until you make a CRT or get someone to change the page to Pre-Retcon Thanos, your argument and FRAs that follow are invalid.
It doesn't matter that the run is from 90s, a retcon retroactively changes the information avaliable about IG Thanos.
There is no post-retcon or pre-retcon page. To debate this any further would be a waste of time since you're not bringing anything to the table, and until you make a CRT or get someone to change the page to Pre-Retcon Thanos, your argument and FRAs that follow are invalid.
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I've listened to what you've said and simply disagreed because of the content on the actual page.
It does matter because it doesn't feature any information post retcon otherwise he'd have other abilities from post retcon and lower statistics the main one being range itself. It'd be universe+ rather than multiverse+.
All the abilities in the cosmic cube tab and IG tab are explictly from the 1990s and before that. So are the statistics. So therefore I don't need to make a CRT to change that it's clearly pre-retcon. Unless the statistics and abilities are changed to match what it'd be post retcon. It's irrelevant. We're both saying the same thing over and over so don't act like you're changing your argument you're just adding a little emphasis as am I.
It does matter because it doesn't feature any information post retcon otherwise he'd have other abilities from post retcon and lower statistics the main one being range itself. It'd be universe+ rather than multiverse+.
All the abilities in the cosmic cube tab and IG tab are explictly from the 1990s and before that. So are the statistics. So therefore I don't need to make a CRT to change that it's clearly pre-retcon. Unless the statistics and abilities are changed to match what it'd be post retcon. It's irrelevant. We're both saying the same thing over and over so don't act like you're changing your argument you're just adding a little emphasis as am I.
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How do you disagree on interperting a vsb page? One thing is a feat, that's understandable, but its literally the Thanos page.
Other than Hacking, just for example, from a post-90s comic of course.
If you won't ask, I will then.
Other than Hacking, just for example, from a post-90s comic of course.
If you won't ask, I will then.
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Because the IG section, abilities and statistics would be quite different if it was post-retcon IG
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The IG tab states all previous abilities, and those tabs have modern abilities so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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