Terminator vs Predator

[Yojimbo1989]

It's Arnie vs Predator round 2.

For this match the Terminator is the T-850 model from T3: Rise of the Machines, which is basically a much more stronger and durable version of the T-800 from T1 and T2: Judgement Day and the Predator is a Clan Leader, which managed to overpower a Xenomorph Queen.

The T-850 has its CPU set to read-write so that it is capable of learning on the fly. Both are armed with their strongest weapons and the fight is a random encounter with no prep time for either combatants. Let's say that it takes place in a guerilla camp in a jungle with plenty of weapons for the Terminator to use and the environment is one that the Predator can use

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

A Clan Leader you say? Hmm... Yeah those Predators don't play around and are well beyond the skill and power of your average Yautja. Now I don't know a lot about the Terminators in terms of all their feats and true skill but I've seen some of them and I'll just say my gut is putting the money on Predator, for now at least until someone else can start the debate or I can fin more info on those Terminators.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

A Clan Leader you say? Hmm... Yeah those Predators don't play around and are well beyond the skill and power of your average Yautja. Now I don't know a lot about the Terminators in terms of all their feats and true skill but I've seen some of them and I'll just say my gut is putting the money on Predator, for now at least until someone else can start the debate or I can fin more info on those Terminators.

I created a thread about upgrading the Terminator's stats, it contains many of the Terminator's feats from other media outside of the films

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/226135

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

Thanks I'll take a look at them whenever I get a good chance.

 

[Aparajita]

Alright. Now this depends: Is this a Military Predator, an Alpha Tribe, a Council Tribe, or just a standard Tribe?

If this is one of the first 3, it's not a hard match, and i'll explain in detail.

The Military Predator contains two of the most powerful weapons in the AvPverse: The Blazer and the HYDRA missle system. The Blazer uses a beam of light to instantly superheat an object to it's point of combustion, with the beam being many suns core in tempature. The HYDRA system is the Yautja's response for the most powerful human and xenomorph technology (and evolutions), the Exosuit 9000 and the Ravager X. The Exosuit 9000 is the Human's most powerful shock vehicle, able to shrug off almost all balistics weapons, with some key exceptions, like the HYDRA.

The HYDRA fires plasma rockets that explode, irridating the wound with Plasma, that causes the material to weaken, allowing a second volley to penetrate almost any armor - the Exosuits have pretty good durability, i'm actually working on a thread for AVP Upgrades.


Now, the Council Tribe, which is the second strongest here, would be a Vanguard Chieftain, one of the few warriors able to wield the dreaded Dark Scythe, that is seething in Dark Plasma, that disentergrates targets on the subatomic level, regardless of power or mass, ensuring it's death in no more than 4 strikes.


The Alpha Tribe Leader would have a harder time, but i'd still give it to him via superior technology.


Now, the standard Tribe Leader is the real question. The Tribe Leader's Mask won't detect the Terminator in it's primary, Thermal, setting, so he'd have to swap to Vibration or Eletromagnetic, which would detect the Terminator.

Now, can the Terminator see the Predator? Perhaps. But could he withstand the power of the Predator's attacks, such as the Plasmacastor, the Plasma Pistol, or the Energy Fleechet? I doubt it.


I'd give it to the Yautja... 8/10.


Sorry for long post.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Alright. Now this depends: Is this a Military Predator, an Alpha Tribe, a Council Tribe, or just a standard Tribe?
If this is one of the first 3, it's not a hard match, and i'll explain in detail.

The Military Predator contains two of the most powerful weapons in the AvPverse: The Blazer and the HYDRA missle system. The Blazer uses a beam of light to instantly superheat an object to it's point of combustion, with the beam being many suns core in tempature. The HYDRA system is the Yautja's response for the most powerful human and xenomorph technology (and evolutions), the Exosuit 9000 and the Ravager X. The Exosuit 9000 is the Human's most powerful shock vehicle, able to shrug off almost all balistics weapons, with some key exceptions, like the HYDRA.

The HYDRA fires plasma rockets that explode, irridating the wound with Plasma, that causes the material to weaken, allowing a second volley to penetrate almost any armor - the Exosuits have pretty good durability, i'm actually working on a thread for AVP Upgrades.


Now, the Council Tribe, which is the second strongest here, would be a Vanguard Chieftain, one of the few warriors able to wield the dreaded Dark Scythe, that is seething in Dark Plasma, that disentergrates targets on the subatomic level, regardless of power or mass, ensuring it's death in no more than 4 strikes.


The Alpha Tribe Leader would have a harder time, but i'd still give it to him via superior technology.


Now, the standard Tribe Leader is the real question. The Tribe Leader's Mask won't detect the Terminator in it's primary, Thermal, setting, so he'd have to swap to Vibration or Eletromagnetic, which would detect the Terminator.

Now, can the Terminator see the Predator? Perhaps. But could he withstand the power of the Predator's attacks, such as the Plasmacastor, the Plasma Pistol, or the Energy Fleechet? I doubt it.


I'd give it to the Yautja... 8/10.


Sorry for long post.

Seeing as how the Terminators come from an asembly line let's say a standard Tribe Leader. To clarify as well, the Terminator here is the T-850, which was designed specifically to resist plasma attacks (in response to the resistance fighters in the future stealing plasma technology and using it against the machines). So I would say that he could resist the Predator's plasma weaponry, not to mention that the weaker T-800 was capable of tanking lightning strikes and a whole city power grid

 

[Aparajita]

Seeing as how the Terminators come from an asembly line let's say a standard Tribe Leader. To clarify as well, the Terminator here is the T-850, which was designed specifically to resist plasma attacks (in response to the resistance fighters in the future stealing plasma technology and using it against the machines). So I would say that he could resist the Predator's plasma weaponry, not to mention that the weaker T-800 was capable of tanking lightning strikes and a whole city power grid

Okay, then i'd still give it to the Yautja. There are 3 weapon settings for the Plasma Caster: Plasma Rounds, Incindenary, and Electromagnetic, the latter being designed to destroy machines.

If not the PC, then the Disc Launcher would be effective because of it's potent cutting power or the energy fleechet, which is pretty much a high velocity energy weapon that fires a string of energy.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Seeing as how the Terminators come from an asembly line let's say a standard Tribe Leader. To clarify as well, the Terminator here is the T-850, which was designed specifically to resist plasma attacks (in response to the resistance fighters in the future stealing plasma technology and using it against the machines). So I would say that he could resist the Predator's plasma weaponry, not to mention that the weaker T-800 was capable of tanking lightning strikes and a whole city power grid

Okay, then i'd still give it to the Yautja. There are 3 weapon settings for the Plasma Caster: Plasma Rounds, Incindenary, and Electromagnetic, the latter being designed to destroy machines.
If not the PC, then the Disc Launcher would be effective because of it's potent cutting power or the energy fleechet, which is pretty much a high velocity energy weapon that fires a string of energy.

The EM weapons are not likely to affect the Terminator, since it specifically been stated to be designed to resist such attacks

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3434876-t-800+feat+electronic+resistance.jpg

It has survived EMP blasts before, it was hit by the grazing blast of an EM Fazer and was unaffected

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...+durability+vs+eletromagnetic+emp+gun+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...+durability+vs+eletromagnetic+emp+gun+(2).jpg

Several hunters and T-800s were at the edge of a nuclear blast, which put out a powerful EMP and walked in when the fire settled

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...874-t-800+feat+durability+vs+nuke+emp+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...875-t-800+feat+durability+vs+nuke+emp+(2).jpg

As for the Incindenary blast, again a weaker T-800 has suvived being submerged in a vat of boiling acid and being covered in molten steel

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...t-800+feat+durability+vs+boiling+acid+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...t-800+feat+durability+vs+boiling+acid+(2).jpg

static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3434863-t-800+feat+durability+vs+boiling+acid+%283%29.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...873-t-800+feat+durability+vs+molten+steel.png

And is there any way of determining how powerful this Disc Launcher is? The T-850 is made of solid Colton, which is heavier, stronger and has a higher melting point than Titanium, and as for the Energy Fleechet is there anything that suggests that it is any different or stronger than plasma attacks?

 

[Aparajita]

So i just wrote a huge ass reply with screenshots and caps, explainations and etc, and all of it erased some how.

How is the T-850's physical resistence, i mean, to blunt force etc trama, it's physical strength, it's speed and intelligence.

There's not a page for the 850.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

You can check the link that I posted above, which has several feats for both the T-800 and T-850 Terminators. There aren't that many feats for the T-850, but the T-800 has several. Given that the T-850 is basically supposed to be a much better version of the T-800, it's fairly safe to assume that we can scale the T-850 off of the T-800's feats

 

[Yojimbo1989]

So i just wrote a huge ass reply with screenshots and caps, explainations and etc, and all of it erased some how.
How is the T-850's physical resistence, i mean, to blunt force etc trama, it's physical strength, it's speed and intelligence.

There's not a page for the 850.

Here's some additional feats for the Terminator that I didn't include in my original post, more relating to blunt force

The T-800 model survived falling from the top of the Empire state building

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...t+durability+vs+empire+state+building+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...t+durability+vs+empire+state+building+(2).jpg

Survived being hit by a speeding freight train

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...087587-t-800+feat+durability+vs+train+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...087588-t-800+feat+durability+vs+train+(2).jpg

It was hit by a speeding swat van and suffered virtually no damage

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...00+feat+durability+vs+up+armoured+van+(1).jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...00+feat+durability+vs+up+armoured+van+(2).jpg

And this was the weaker T-800 model, the T-850 is stronger than this

For intelligence, like the T-800 the T-850's CPU has extensive knowledge of all manner of weaponry and hand-to-hand combat throughout all of human history, giveing him more experience than any human could possibly hope to achieve

For strength and speed, again here's the forum I created, with several feats for the T-800 and the T-850

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/226135

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

BTW, I'll try to get a response by this weekend so if you believe the battle has been decided during this time, please wait for me if you don't mind?

 

[Yojimbo1989]

BTW, I'll try to get a response by this weekend so if you believe the battle has been decided during this time, please wait for me if you don't mind?

OK

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

Ok, sorry but now I've got and made some time for this .So now assuming you're talking about a standard Clan Leader and not the military versions Aparajita is talking about, I still believe this is in the Clan Leader's favor.

Now in regards to their physicals as far as I'm concerned, the Clan Leader seems to be tougher, definitely more agile, and for durability... Well I'm not exactly sure but based on the kind of weapons the Terminator might equip in this fight, let's just say for now that I don't expect the Terminator to do much to the Clan leader. But then again, the Terminator's durability will indeed be problematic for the Clan Leader.

Onto skill (combat skill), the Clan Leader should outclass the Terminator in this area by far. Experience is worth mentioning as well since Clan Leaders can have around several millennia's worth of fighting/hunting and training experience, and battlefield advantage for the Clan Leader.

As for their equipment, all you stated what that Terminator is equipped with his best weaponry and I'm not familiar with his best weaponry and other equipment though. So I'm not sure in this area either.

Now how do I see the possibilities that the Clan Leader might win? Well although I may not be familiar with Terminator's best weaponry, I'll say this... The Clan Leader could destroy Terminator by perhaps overwhelming him with the shoulder cannon set to beam mode? BTW, this select firing mode of the shoulder cannon is the most powerful firing mode of the shoulder cannon, as it fires a insta-hit beam of highly concentrated plasma which can effortlessly vaporize two soldiers at once, and even more powerful than a charged blast from the shoulder cannon. Furthermore, a charged blast is capable of vaporizing a fully armored Colonial Marine and obliterating an entire colony transport ship, which is a pretty large vehicle. In fact here's a scan of the feat:

1. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532516 - For this scan, be aware of the bottom-most left scan, where you can get a good size comparison with the people down there to the ship.

2. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532517

3. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532518

Do you think a sustained blast from this shoulder cannon feature would be enough to put down Terminator perhaps? I mean, doesn't Terminator have weak spots between his joints BTW? This could incapacitate him then. Now if that doesn't work, then perhaps if the Clan Leader will use a melee weapon, such as the smart disc (highest tier) which is capable of slicing through everything at a molecular level might work? Or lastly, I do know that Yautja can carry these large capsules full of some EXTREMELY corrosive, thick blue liquid. In fact, this liquid is so corrosive that around a mere fluid ounce can dissolve an entire human body, an entire swimming pool + Xenomorph, and an Xenomorph in a few seconds...

 

[Jockey-1337]

Can go either way.

 

[Sigma_the_Terminator_of_Purple_Monsters]

Ok, sorry but now I've got and made some time for this .So now assuming you're talking about a standard Clan Leader and not the military versions Aparajita is talking about, I still believe this is in the Clan Leader's favor.

Now in regards to their physicals as far as I'm concerned, the Clan Leader seems to be tougher, definitely more agile, and for durability... Well I'm not exactly sure but based on the kind of weapons the Terminator might equip in this fight, let's just say for now that I don't expect the Terminator to do much to the Clan leader. But then again, the Terminator's durability will indeed be problematic for the Clan Leader.

Onto skill (combat skill), the Clan Leader should outclass the Terminator in this area by far. Experience is worth mentioning as well since Clan Leaders can have around several millennia's worth of fighting/hunting and training experience, and battlefield advantage for the Clan Leader.

As for their equipment, all you stated what that Terminator is equipped with his best weaponry and I'm not familiar with his best weaponry and other equipment though. So I'm not sure in this area either.

Now how do I see the possibilities that the Clan Leader might win? Well although I may not be familiar with Terminator's best weaponry, I'll say this... The Clan Leader could destroy Terminator by perhaps overwhelming him with the shoulder cannon set to beam mode? BTW, this select firing mode of the shoulder cannon is the most powerful firing mode of the shoulder cannon, as it fires a insta-hit beam of highly concentrated plasma which can effortlessly vaporize two soldiers at once, and even more powerful than a charged blast from the shoulder cannon. Furthermore, a charged blast is capable of vaporizing a fully armored Colonial Marine and obliterating an entire colony transport ship, which is a pretty large vehicle. In fact here's a scan of the feat:

1. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532516 - For this scan, be aware of the bottom-most left scan, where you can get a good size comparison with the people down there to the ship.

2. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532517

3. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532518

Do you think a sustained blast from this shoulder cannon feature would be enough to put down Terminator perhaps? I mean, doesn't Terminator have weak spots between his joints BTW? This could incapacitate him then. Now if that doesn't work, then perhaps if the Clan Leader will use a melee weapon, such as the smart disc (highest tier) which is capable of slicing through everything at a molecular level might work? Or lastly, I do know that Yautja can carry these large capsules full of some EXTREMELY corrosive, thick blue liquid. In fact, this liquid is so corrosive that around a mere fluid ounce can dissolve an entire human body, an entire swimming pool + Xenomorph, and an Xenomorph in a few seconds...

As I remeber, The joints weak spots doesn't exist anymore in The 850, also, The The terminator can run very fast, The T-X can match a car Just running, and The T-888(weaker than him I think) can do this also, the 850 can do this a bit slower

For weaponry, depends, if he time-travelled, he have miniguns, rocket launchers, machine guns, missiles, himself

And a feat for the T-800: Matched a T-3000, who is superior to T-X(I think)

For the future weaponry, plasma guns, plasma rifles,the hunter killer

 

[Yamatohime]

And a feat for the T-800: Matched a T-3000, who is superior to T-X(I think)

Actualy it was one side beating. T-3000 easily defeated T-800 and was going to finish it when Sara distracted T-3000.

 

[Sigma_the_Terminator_of_Purple_Monsters]

Actualy it was one side beating. T-3000 easily defeated T-800 and was going to finish it when Sara distracted T-3000.

Continues able to survive more than the fight with the T-X(I think that was the best fight in terminator movies)

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Ok, sorry but now I've got and made some time for this .So now assuming you're talking about a standard Clan Leader and not the military versions Aparajita is talking about, I still believe this is in the Clan Leader's favor.
Now in regards to their physicals as far as I'm concerned, the Clan Leader seems to be tougher, definitely more agile, and for durability... Well I'm not exactly sure but based on the kind of weapons the Terminator might equip in this fight, let's just say for now that I don't expect the Terminator to do much to the Clan leader. But then again, the Terminator's durability will indeed be problematic for the Clan Leader.

Onto skill (combat skill), the Clan Leader should outclass the Terminator in this area by far. Experience is worth mentioning as well since Clan Leaders can have around several millennia's worth of fighting/hunting and training experience, and battlefield advantage for the Clan Leader.

As for their equipment, all you stated what that Terminator is equipped with his best weaponry and I'm not familiar with his best weaponry and other equipment though. So I'm not sure in this area either.

Now how do I see the possibilities that the Clan Leader might win? Well although I may not be familiar with Terminator's best weaponry, I'll say this... The Clan Leader could destroy Terminator by perhaps overwhelming him with the shoulder cannon set to beam mode? BTW, this select firing mode of the shoulder cannon is the most powerful firing mode of the shoulder cannon, as it fires a insta-hit beam of highly concentrated plasma which can effortlessly vaporize two soldiers at once, and even more powerful than a charged blast from the shoulder cannon. Furthermore, a charged blast is capable of vaporizing a fully armored Colonial Marine and obliterating an entire colony transport ship, which is a pretty large vehicle. In fact here's a scan of the feat:

1. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532516 - For this scan, be aware of the bottom-most left scan, where you can get a good size comparison with the people down there to the ship.

2. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532517

3. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4532518

Do you think a sustained blast from this shoulder cannon feature would be enough to put down Terminator perhaps? I mean, doesn't Terminator have weak spots between his joints BTW? This could incapacitate him then. Now if that doesn't work, then perhaps if the Clan Leader will use a melee weapon, such as the smart disc (highest tier) which is capable of slicing through everything at a molecular level might work? Or lastly, I do know that Yautja can carry these large capsules full of some EXTREMELY corrosive, thick blue liquid. In fact, this liquid is so corrosive that around a mere fluid ounce can dissolve an entire human body, an entire swimming pool + Xenomorph, and an Xenomorph in a few seconds...

Well, in terms of combat skill, whether or not the Predator outclasses the Terminator is debatable, since the Terminator's CPU has extensive files on all manners of weaponry, combat and warfare that have existed throughout human history. In this way he has more experience than anyone could possibly hope to obtain. Additionally, stealth is a major part of the Predator's hunting tactics, but the Terminator's scanners serve to completely neutralize that.

As for the shoulder cannon, well, maybe, but the thing is the T-850 is specifically designed to resist plasma weaponry since several of the resistance fighters in the future captured plasma weapons and started using them against the machines. Even lower ranked T-800s have shown resistance to plasma weaponry, and the T-850 is even tougher and designed with resistance to plasma in mind.

As for the blur corrosive liquid, again a T-800 survived in a vat of boiling acid and was able to keep going, so it's possible he could reist it

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

As I remeber, The joints weak spots doesn't exist anymore in The 850, also, The The terminator can run very fast, The T-X can match a car Just running, and The T-888(weaker than him I think) can do this also, the 850 can do this a bit slower

For weaponry, depends, if he time-travelled, he have miniguns, rocket launchers, machine guns, missiles, himself

And a feat for the T-800: Matched a T-3000, who is superior to T-X(I think)

For the future weaponry, plasma guns, plasma rifles,the hunter killer

Eh, I still definitely think the Clan Leader is far more agile, because your average Yautja can dodge military grade and even futuristic gunfire from automatic weaponry at close to point blank range with ease! In fact, a Blooded Yautja, which is basically a more experienced average Yautja, had managed to dodge and completely avoided getting hit at all by an army of over 100 soldiers (around 160 soldiers IIRC). To continue, the army was armed with fully automatic weapons, some snipers, anti-aircraft guns aimed down, and mortars trying to hit the Hunter, but was unsuccessful as the Hunter was just too agile.

Not only that, but another average Yautja managed to easily outrun a speeding sports car, can leap across building rooftops with ease, and can jump over 20-30 feet on average. Ultimately, what's even better is the fact that Clan Leaders are also far superior to your average Yautja as well, and that includes agility, which Clan Leaders are much faster than average Yautja. Therefore, the Clan Leader should most definitely have the agility advantage it appears.

Then in regards to Terminator's best weaponry, well his best bet would be to use missiles and the Hunter Killer I'd believe, but that would be a problem since the missiles won't be quick enough to hit the Clan Leader and I'm not sure if the OP will allow the Hunter Killer. Furthermore, it appears that the Hunter Killer isn't even a weapon, but a tank/vehicle when I though this battle was supposed to be just 1 on 1 without any outside help, like if the Clan Leader got to bring in a Clan Ship in the fight.

The reason why I don't include the miniguns, machine guns, rocket launchers, and his plasma weaponry is because first of all, standard military machine guns are highly ineffective against Yautja as they'll only slit the skin of the Yautja but won't penetrate past their muscle and bones. The same with miniguns, I believe since miniguns typically don't have high caliber armor-piercing rounds correct? In the end, you need military grade armor-piercing rounds to kill a Yautja, like an autocannon type weapon, but even then it's very difficult due to the Yautja's insane level of resilience (Yautja can keep fighing for a while even after they suffer tremendous damage to vital organs, such as their heart, lungs, etc... Not to mention they can take bullets to their brain, but if they receive enough damage to the brain, they can eventually die)

As for rocket launchers, those are also ineffective when you consider that in the first Predator movie, Dutch made some type of makeshift RPG and made a direct hit on the Predator, but it did nothing other than malfunction his cloaking device. Then I've seen scans of Yautja taking a direct and point blank bazooka blast, yet the Yautja emerged fine with a few bloody cuts and bruises. Best of all, another Yautja had withstood a barrage of helicopter missiles only to come out with a few bloody cuts, bruises, and loosing his Biomask.

And last but not least, the plasma weaponry won't be effective either since I've seen a scan of a Yautja who withstood a normal shoulder cannon blast without any damage at all! This is definitely an impressive feat as I know some feats of a normal shoulder cannon blast dispatching a T-Rex in a single shot, one-shot a Colonial Marine dropship, one-shot an Apache helicopter, one-shot a military truck (it was a smaller type though), and one-shot a Yautja scout ship. Therefore, when you consider this and the other from before, I don't see the plasma weaponry being an issue. This is especially when Clan Leaders can typically wear full-body armor, which is completely bulletproof and thus render most of Terminator's weaponry useless anyways...

 

[Yojimbo1989]

As I remeber, The joints weak spots doesn't exist anymore in The 850, also, The The terminator can run very fast, The T-X can match a car Just running, and The T-888(weaker than him I think) can do this also, the 850 can do this a bit slower
For weaponry, depends, if he time-travelled, he have miniguns, rocket launchers, machine guns, missiles, himself

And a feat for the T-800: Matched a T-3000, who is superior to T-X(I think)

For the future weaponry, plasma guns, plasma rifles,the hunter killer

Eh, I still definitely think the Clan Leader is far more agile, because your average Yautja can dodge military grade and even futuristic gunfire from automatic weaponry at close to point blank range with ease! In fact, a Blooded Yautja, which is basically a more experienced average Yautja, had managed to dodge and completely avoided getting hit at all by an army of over 100 soldiers (around 160 soldiers IIRC). To continue, the army was armed with fully automatic weapons, some snipers, anti-aircraft guns aimed down, and mortars trying to hit the Hunter, but was unsuccessful as the Hunter was just too agile.

Not only that, but another average Yautja managed to easily outrun a speeding sports car, can leap across building rooftops with ease, and can jump over 20-30 feet on average. Ultimately, what's even better is the fact that Clan Leaders are also far superior to your average Yautja as well, and that includes agility, which Clan Leaders are much faster than average Yautja. Therefore, the Clan Leader should most definitely have the agility advantage it appears.

Then in regards to Terminator's best weaponry, well his best bet would be to use missiles and the Hunter Killer I'd believe, but that would be a problem since the missiles won't be quick enough to hit the Clan Leader and I'm not sure if the OP will allow the Hunter Killer. Furthermore, it appears that the Hunter Killer isn't even a weapon, but a tank/vehicle when I though this battle was supposed to be just 1 on 1 without any outside help, like if the Clan Leader got to bring in a Clan Ship in the fight.

The reason why I don't include the miniguns, machine guns, rocket launchers, and his plasma weaponry is because first of all, standard military machine guns are highly ineffective against Yautja as they'll only slit the skin of the Yautja but won't penetrate past their muscle and bones. The same with miniguns, I believe since miniguns typically don't have high caliber armor-piercing rounds correct? In the end, you need military grade armor-piercing rounds to kill a Yautja, like an autocannon type weapon, but even then it's very difficult due to the Yautja's insane level of resilience (Yautja can keep fighing for a while even after they suffer tremendous damage to vital organs, such as their heart, lungs, etc... Not to mention they can take bullets to their brain, but if they receive enough damage to the brain, they can eventually die)

As for rocket launchers, those are also ineffective when you consider that in the first Predator movie, Dutch made some type of makeshift RPG and made a direct hit on the Predator, but it did nothing other than malfunction his cloaking device. Then I've seen scans of Yautja taking a direct and point blank bazooka blast, yet the Yautja emerged fine with a few bloody cuts and bruises. Best of all, another Yautja had withstood a barrage of helicopter missiles only to come out with a few bloody cuts, bruises, and loosing his Biomask.

And last but not least, the plasma weaponry won't be effective either since I've seen a scan of a Yautja who withstood a normal shoulder cannon blast without any damage at all! This is definitely an impressive feat as I know some feats of a normal shoulder cannon blast dispatching a T-Rex in a single shot, one-shot a Colonial Marine dropship, one-shot an Apache helicopter, one-shot a military truck (it was a smaller type though), and one-shot a Yautja scout ship. Therefore, when you consider this and the other from before, I don't see the plasma weaponry being an issue. This is especially when Clan Leaders can typically wear full-body armor, which is completely bulletproof and thus render most of Terminator's weaponry useless anyways...

Well, the Predator is certainly very agile, but the Terminator is certainly very tough himself. And as I've said before, a lot of the Predator's hunting abilties will be useless against the Predator thanks to his scanners.

So then it comes down to a fight, as opposed to stealth. Now in terms of long range combat I would say that the Terminator has the advantage due to a much larger amount of weaponry giving him a lot of longer range options.

In terms of close quarters combat, the Predator's speed does help here, however it is somewhat nullified by the Terminator's vast knowledge of CQC. Plus the Terminator is really durable and the T-850 model is desgined to resist plasma weaponry.

What tips this in the side of the Terminator is his adaptability and intelligence. The Terminator is a learning machine capable of adapting to various situations and coming up with new strategies based on what has and hasn't worked

 

[Seraphic_Jade_aura]

Perhaps, but there are a few tactics up the Clan Leader's sleeve I know for sure would provide him an advantage over Terminator, such as disarming and observing/studying the Terminator. Now Yautja are also able to fool their foes/prey into believing they are dead by stopping their heart from beating, holding their breath, and remaining completely immobile until performing a surprise attack on their prey/opponent at the best moment. Only I'm not sure whether of not the Terminator's tech will pick up on this.

But as for disarming tactics (which are common in Yautja), this should leave the Terminator unable to attack the Clan Leader at range. Furthermore, the Clan Leader could utilize his shoulder cannon to target Terminator's weapons and blast them apart or out of his hands, thus leaving him unable to retaliate effectively at range. This can also be done with the Clan Leader's smart disc or shuriken.

Then for studying and observing Terminator, the Biomask of the Clan Leader will allow him to analyze and give a necessary list/descriptions of the genealogy, physiology, equipment, basic combat disadvantages & advantages, and neurological state and information of their prey and opponents in a matter of seconds. But since Terminator isn't an organic lifeform, the Biomask won't analyze anything dealing with organic matter/life, but will still grant full knowledge of what Terminator is capable of, his equipment, basic combat disadvantages & advantages, the fact he's a robotic/artificial being, physical stats (useful for informing the Clan Leader on what metals and tech the Terminator is composed of), and etc...:

1. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4900532

2. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4900533

3. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4900534

^ Do note that there's more info in the scan, but I couldn't get an entire picture of the scans where they scroll down for more info and stats, but I didn't so I wouldn't have like 6 scans as that isn't really needed.


Guerrilla tactics come in mind as well, so the Clan Leader can utilize his superior agility against the Terminator, making him hard to keep up with and hit. Not to mention the Clan Leader can use the environment to his advantage, especially in a jungle environment, where the Clan Leader is aware of his surrounding, can find plenty of cover, hiding spots (especially hiding above the trees), and escape from assault with ease.

As for the advantage Terminator has in ranged weaponry, I guess you could say he has a greater variety of long range weapons, but then again the Clan Leader has several mid and long range weapons as well, such as the shoulder cannon, spear gun/sniper, assault plasma rifles, plasma pistols, plasma shotguns, net gun, small projectile blades, combi-stick/spear (when thrown), smart disc, shurikens, and etc.. But then again it's different since most of Terminator's weapons are of modern, human technology while the Clan Leader's weapons are of course, alien technology, for example, the shoulder cannon alone which is more powerful than almost all human weapons.

Plus the weapons, specifically the shoulder cannon is supported by a targeting system which is 100% accurate (doesn't necessarily mean the blast will always hit its target, at least under specific circumstances) and can follow targets as fast Xenomorphs who have bullet dodging capabilities.

Onto CQC, the Clan Leader also has incredible knowledge in this area as well. In fact, Yautja have a martial art called Jehdin, which is something as best loosely described from Steve Perry to be as a fusion of Penchak Silat, Aikido, Kyokushin Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Bokator, Lucha Libre, Xilam, and other more complex combat skills desribed to be superior to all martial arts on Earth. Even the lowest ranking Yautja have also been said displaying skills such as that of samurai.

Then another fact is Clan Leaders have perfected their skills in this martial art to the point a Clan Leader was thought and described as fighting a horde of Xenomorphs as if he was in a choreographed fight/dance with flawless movements. Plus fighting in a way described as superior to just about all martial arts and artists on Earth. What's even more impressive is the fact that the Clan Leader was still recovering from a broken back and ribs (due to being struck by a high speeding futuristic vehicle + massive explosion) yet managed to show off literally some inhuman level of combat skills.

Also, going back to experience, that is indeed an impressive amount of experience for Terminator, but I just don't think it's the same as the Clan Leaders since they not only have several millenniums of hunting/fighting experience and training... But what really separates their experiences is the fact that the Clan Leaders experiences are from galactic hunting/fighting various extraterrestrial species superior to humans mentally and/or physically, such as Xenomorphs and Space Jockeys (Engineers from Prometheus). With that being said, I'd like to share with you a photo of Wolf's trophy room from AvP: Requiem:

1. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4697848

2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111170821/5097700-004.jpg

So as you can see, there are various extraterrestrial beasts and sapient being in the trophy room, even several humans, Xenos and Xeno Queens, Space Jockeys, and most interestingly Dinosaurs (Triceratops, Carcharodontosaurus, Raptor species, Duck billed Dino)! What's also very impressive is that IIRC, Yautja will only put beings in their trophy room if they were fought and beaten in an honorable h2h fight. Other than that, it comes to show that with the Clan Leader's level of experience, he's learned from numerous mistakes made and seen from distantly past battles against various galactic hunts an battles, as well as knowing the best methods of defeating all sorts of opponents no matter how different they are from each other.

Yautja are also highly intelligent and adaptable as well, as you should know that the Clan Leader being of the Yautja species, possesses intellect far beyond and superior to that of all humans. Then of course, Yautja are very capable of strategizing and planning too, and his technology (especially his Biomask as spoken before) will be very helpful in this fight.

Going back to your other comment on the shoulder cannon, the Terminator is indeed highly resistant to plasma weaponry, but then again it doesn't mean he's completely immune to it. So I believe it would just take a while for the Clan Leader to wear out the Terminator, and keep in mind that the shoulder cannon is powered by plasma batteries that last for a very long time, which for sure won't usually ever run out during battle though. So ammo isn't an issue for the shoulder cannon. However, the Clan Leader might just resort to his shoulder cannon if he realizes the Terminator is too durable to be taken out by other means.

For your point on the boiling acid feat, well the thing is the blue corrosive solvent Yautja carry is completely different from boiling acid in terms of their chemical components and corrosiveness. This is because I certainly think the blue solvent is far more corrosive than the vault of boiling acid, which Yautja can carry several vials of the solvent. Hell, in the scans, the Terminator may have made it out still functional, but he did appear relatively crippled by the acid so he may be more crippled by the blue solvent, who knows? But personally I find the blue solvent should at least incapacitate Terminator.

So lastly, here's how I see the Clan Leader defeating Terminator... First off, I'll clear up h2h combat, where if they're just fighting with bare fists, then they won't be doing anything to each other as both are too durable to hurt each other this way. However, the Clan Leader has the advantage in CQC as he's far more agile, tougher, and so far I think he's more skilled as well. Not to mention a Clan Leader easily defeated a tougher than average Xenomorph Queen with bare hands, and the only injury he received was a broken mandible. Although, the Clan Leader could perhaps damage or even put an end to Terminator with his molecular cutting melee weapons, such as his smart disc, as well as high tier combi-sticks and wrist blades.

In close combat, the Clan Leader's net gun should also be helpful in temporarily leaving Terminator unable to attack, giving the Clan Leader some time to plan and leave him vulnerable to attacks. If the battle is taken to ranged combat, then the Clan Leader could use his shoulder cannon, his other plasma weaponry like plasma pistols/shotguns/rifles, wrist guns, or spear gun/sniper. His best bet against the Terminator would be to use the shoulder cannon and spear sniper, as he not only can disarm the Terminator, but can wear him out and do damage as well. Furthermore, the shoulder cannon should eventually do enough damage to Terminator and defeat him if sustained long enough.

For the spear sniper, it will fire out tiny, barbed, molecular metal blades at a very high velocity that could pin a man's head or entire body to a wall and shatter concrete, which should pierce the Terminator's alloy structure and eventually do enough damage to destroy or cripple him. As for Terminator though, his ranged weaponry, I honestly have to say, either way should be completely useless against the Clan Leader as I said before, won't do any serious damage other than slit his skin an make him bleed without armor, which Clan Leaders are typically equipped with a full suit of bulletproof, Yautja created armor. Not to mention how agile the Clan Leader is, making him untouchable to his weaponry.

 

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It's Arnie vs Predator round 2.

For this match the Terminator is the T-850 model from T3: Rise of the Machines, which is basically a much more stronger and durable version of the T-800 from T1 and T2: Judgement Day and the Predator is a Clan Leader, which managed to overpower a Xenomorph Queen.

The T-850 has its CPU set to read-write so that it is capable of learning on the fly. Both are armed with their strongest weapons and the fight is a random encounter with no prep time for either combatants. Let's say that it takes place in a guerilla camp in a jungle with plenty of weapons for the Terminator to use and the environment is one that the Predator can use

I'm sorry to go back to this, but I was wondering with that being said, should we add this to the Predator's page?

 

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It's Arnie vs Predator round 2.

For this match the Terminator is the T-850 model from T3: Rise of the Machines, which is basically a much more stronger and durable version of the T-800 from T1 and T2: Judgement Day and the Predator is a Clan Leader, which managed to overpower a Xenomorph Queen.

The T-850 has its CPU set to read-write so that it is capable of learning on the fly. Both are armed with their strongest weapons and the fight is a random encounter with no prep time for either combatants. Let's say that it takes place in a guerilla camp in a jungle with plenty of weapons for the Terminator to use and the environment is one that the Predator can use

I'm sorry to go back to this, but I was wondering with that being said, should we add this to the Predator's page?

Add what? The fact that this is a clan leader and the conditions of the fight?

 

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Lol sorry about that, I was talking about whether the Clan Leader won and that if it should count as a victory towards the Predator's page, but I remembered we need at least 7 votes for that to happen.