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Introduction
Hello everyone, hope ya'll are doing well. Recently, just a few days ago, a thread was opened for 1-A Veldanava. However, reading the thread, anyone can tell how lacking it is, thus, this thread has came to be, providing sufficient explanation for whatever tier Veldanava, or God, is to be.Note that, as this is an extremely important revision, achieving for a very delicate Tier, I have provided the OTL, Fan-Translation, RAWs, and MTL for every single scan provided. If I missed something, feel free to point it out, but do not ask for RAWs of scans already provided just for the sake of derailing the argument or alike. With that, lets begin this!
Table of Content
To understand what this character is, lets first clear up a few things :Is Veldanava God?
No, he is not, not at all. Velgrynd, who is Veldanava's sister, stated that Veldanava is not God, but he is indeed the Creator of the World[1]. In fact, there are various kinds of traditional gods that became so through Evolution, but none can be the same as the Notion of God itself, none is the same as the All-Encompassing God[2].
Who is Veldanava?
If Veldanava is not God, what actually is he? Well, he was Willed into Existence, before the Creation of the World, but still after the Great Spirits, after which he derived from the Eight Great Divine Spirits the Seven Seraphim, as a response to which the Seven Demon Primogenitors also came to be as Shadows of the Light that was the Angels to maintain balance[3]. After this, he proceeded to create the World and lost Turn Null as a result[4]. Eventually, he lost his other powers as well after marrying Lucia, and died. But even that was simply because he willed it, or well, by the will of the Omnipotent and Omniscient God, according to whose will the World moves[2].
In truth, the form of True Dragons that everyone can perceive is merely a shape they take in response to Religious Desires of People[5], or if their actual self Wills it. Because in truth, their actual form exists as the Most Perfect and Unique Creation, completely All-Inclusive and Individual, a Singular Entity[5], that is, a Unity[5]. Is Veldanava the same? Yes, but not exactly. You see, while the rest of the True Dragons, even in their true form, are called Creations, Veldanava would be the Avatar of God, the Omnipotent and Omniscient as a means to experience Imperfection[2]. True Dragons are created by God as its Masterpiece, its Greatest Creation[6], with Veldanava being its own avatar it Willed into Existence as a means to experience change, implying that he cannot do so, in his True Form, after all, God cannot change, thus why he made an Avatar to experience it, that is, Veldanava.
The Omnipotent and Omniscient :
Veldanava was willed into existence before the World. At the time of his Creation/Birth, there was nothing else, that is to say, he was Alone. There was nothing else besides him. To begin with, All that was, was a Perfect, Complete and Flawless Will, that lacked absolutely Nothing, the All-In-One and One-In-All, Omnipotent and Omniscient, All-Encompassing, and All-Knowing that knows all Possible Scenarios/Outcomes[7]. That is to say, Veldanava was a means to seek Imperfection for the Absolute One-ness and Perfection[7].
Lack of All Qualities :
There is a difference between Physical-ness and Spiritual-ness. Physical Reality[8], and what is vaster then that, Spiritual Reality, that is, Nonexistent Voids, Worlds of Darkness, Abyss .Yet Physical-ness and Spiritual-ness also dictate the difference between many other things, such as Material Composition and the Abstract, that is, the Material Body and the Soul. A Soul is a Consciousness by definition, but that is not all. First, there is, the Spiritual Body, the Virtual Memory, then deeper then that, is the Astral Body, through which one Thinks. Beyond that is a Crystallization of Energy, the actual Soul. And beyond even that, is the Core, the part containing the Information of a being[9][10], as well as their Conceptual Self[11] . But beyond even all that, is the Ego, the actual Consciousness, the Self-Awareness of a being, a collection of Wavelengths[9][10], their very Identity, after loosing which they are reduced to Literal Nonexistence, or so to say, they return to the All-Encompassing Completeness, God[12], at which point, they lose their very Identity and even Self-Awareness, and are unbounded by any Restriction, just like in Buddhism, as they dissolve back into the Ultimate Essence, that is, the Final Destination, the Promised Land where the Story Ends, Liberation[13][12], the Ethereal Beauty to which all Illusions are ultimately reduced to[4].
Lack of All Distinctions :
Since God is All-Encompassing, it also lacks all Distinctions and Differentiation. It would lack the Distinction between and be Transcendent over Cause and Effect[4][14], Reality and Fiction, Illusion and Substance, Truth and Falsehood, as well as Light and Darkness, which are Ying and Yang, Virtue and Sin, Holy and Evil, and even the Contradictions that derive from them, as all are but mere Illusions in front of the Ethereal[4].
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God's Will :
Everything moves strictly according to the Will of the Omnipotent and Omniscient[2], including Veldanava marrying Lucia, and even as far as Rimuru devouring Michael with Azathoth, all that is an Inevitable, Harmonious Plan[12]. This is, in fact, Pre-Established Harmony that the Author Fuse added in the WN version as well, and kept it the same as is in the Light Novel. Pre-Established Harmony itself is a theory in respect to a Monotheistic View of God as the Ultimate Monad, Monas Monadum, Absolutely Simple.
Note, here, the important thing is that he didn't change his mind in this aspect in both the Web Novel and the Light Novel.
No, he is not, not at all. Velgrynd, who is Veldanava's sister, stated that Veldanava is not God, but he is indeed the Creator of the World[1]. In fact, there are various kinds of traditional gods that became so through Evolution, but none can be the same as the Notion of God itself, none is the same as the All-Encompassing God[2].
Who is Veldanava?
If Veldanava is not God, what actually is he? Well, he was Willed into Existence, before the Creation of the World, but still after the Great Spirits, after which he derived from the Eight Great Divine Spirits the Seven Seraphim, as a response to which the Seven Demon Primogenitors also came to be as Shadows of the Light that was the Angels to maintain balance[3]. After this, he proceeded to create the World and lost Turn Null as a result[4]. Eventually, he lost his other powers as well after marrying Lucia, and died. But even that was simply because he willed it, or well, by the will of the Omnipotent and Omniscient God, according to whose will the World moves[2].
In truth, the form of True Dragons that everyone can perceive is merely a shape they take in response to Religious Desires of People[5], or if their actual self Wills it. Because in truth, their actual form exists as the Most Perfect and Unique Creation, completely All-Inclusive and Individual, a Singular Entity[5], that is, a Unity[5]. Is Veldanava the same? Yes, but not exactly. You see, while the rest of the True Dragons, even in their true form, are called Creations, Veldanava would be the Avatar of God, the Omnipotent and Omniscient as a means to experience Imperfection[2]. True Dragons are created by God as its Masterpiece, its Greatest Creation[6], with Veldanava being its own avatar it Willed into Existence as a means to experience change, implying that he cannot do so, in his True Form, after all, God cannot change, thus why he made an Avatar to experience it, that is, Veldanava.
The Omnipotent and Omniscient :
Veldanava was willed into existence before the World. At the time of his Creation/Birth, there was nothing else, that is to say, he was Alone. There was nothing else besides him. To begin with, All that was, was a Perfect, Complete and Flawless Will, that lacked absolutely Nothing, the All-In-One and One-In-All, Omnipotent and Omniscient, All-Encompassing, and All-Knowing that knows all Possible Scenarios/Outcomes[7]. That is to say, Veldanava was a means to seek Imperfection for the Absolute One-ness and Perfection[7].
Lack of All Qualities :
There is a difference between Physical-ness and Spiritual-ness. Physical Reality[8], and what is vaster then that, Spiritual Reality, that is, Nonexistent Voids, Worlds of Darkness, Abyss .Yet Physical-ness and Spiritual-ness also dictate the difference between many other things, such as Material Composition and the Abstract, that is, the Material Body and the Soul. A Soul is a Consciousness by definition, but that is not all. First, there is, the Spiritual Body, the Virtual Memory, then deeper then that, is the Astral Body, through which one Thinks. Beyond that is a Crystallization of Energy, the actual Soul. And beyond even that, is the Core, the part containing the Information of a being[9][10], as well as their Conceptual Self[11] . But beyond even all that, is the Ego, the actual Consciousness, the Self-Awareness of a being, a collection of Wavelengths[9][10], their very Identity, after loosing which they are reduced to Literal Nonexistence, or so to say, they return to the All-Encompassing Completeness, God[12], at which point, they lose their very Identity and even Self-Awareness, and are unbounded by any Restriction, just like in Buddhism, as they dissolve back into the Ultimate Essence, that is, the Final Destination, the Promised Land where the Story Ends, Liberation[13][12], the Ethereal Beauty to which all Illusions are ultimately reduced to[4].
Lack of All Distinctions :
Since God is All-Encompassing, it also lacks all Distinctions and Differentiation. It would lack the Distinction between and be Transcendent over Cause and Effect[4][14], Reality and Fiction, Illusion and Substance, Truth and Falsehood, as well as Light and Darkness, which are Ying and Yang, Virtue and Sin, Holy and Evil, and even the Contradictions that derive from them, as all are but mere Illusions in front of the Ethereal[4].
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God's Will :
Everything moves strictly according to the Will of the Omnipotent and Omniscient[2], including Veldanava marrying Lucia, and even as far as Rimuru devouring Michael with Azathoth, all that is an Inevitable, Harmonious Plan[12]. This is, in fact, Pre-Established Harmony that the Author Fuse added in the WN version as well, and kept it the same as is in the Light Novel. Pre-Established Harmony itself is a theory in respect to a Monotheistic View of God as the Ultimate Monad, Monas Monadum, Absolutely Simple.
Note, here, the important thing is that he didn't change his mind in this aspect in both the Web Novel and the Light Novel.
Counter Arguments
- Veldanava gave up his omniscience and omnipotence, but a Tier 0 cannot become a Non-Tier 0, wouldn't that be a contradiction?
- But Veldanava describe his True Form, doesn't that mean he could comprehend it even though Veldanava himself is not Tier 0?
Conclusion
- The All-Powerful Conceptual God is Tier 0.
- Everything happens according to its Will. That is, lets say a Non 1-A Character gains 1-A Powers or Existence, even that is because God willed it. Thus, this serves as an Anti-Anti-Feat for Irregular and Illogical occurrences such as between Higher and lower Realities.
Thanks for reading, folks!
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