Supersonic Mario

[DimeUhDozen]

Finally fixing the Mario verse's god-awful speed section. Though not a downgrade, just giving him a new travel speed rating. For now.

A continuation of the last thread in which we found that the only other travel feat in the verse page was unusable, let's just make this easy.

Mario is able to outrun Koopa the Quick, who states that he is using Mach 1 sprint shoes.

Mach 1 is Transonic. But he is fast enough to be seen as a blur to him. So, he upscales from that.

In multiple games, he's shown to be much faster than cannonballs which are 449.5 m/s on average. That's Supersonic.

So Supersonic travel speed with Massively FTL+ combat speed would be the verse's new rating although, don't expect the gap to stay that high.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Mephistus]

You could go for the bros outrunning enemies lightning on foot; lasers are a bit weird in verse.
No real issues here though agree for the most part since we should start somewhere small.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

You could go for the bros outrunning enemies lightning on foot; lasers are a bit weird in verse.
No real issues here though agree for the most part since we should start somewhere small.

Iirc, the lightning they moved with wasn’t exactly real lightning.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Finally fixing the Mario verse's god-awful speed section. Though not a downgrade, just giving him a new travel speed rating. For now.

A continuation of the last thread in which we found that the only other travel feat in the verse page was unusable, let's just make this easy.

Mario is able to outrun Koopa the Quick, who states that he is using Mach 1 sprint shoes.

Mach 1 is Transonic. But he is fast enough to be seen as a blur to him. So, he upscales from that.

In multiple games, he's shown to be much faster than cannonballs which are 449.5 m/s on average. That's Supersonic.

So Supersonic travel speed with Massively FTL+ combat speed would be the verse's new rating although, don't expect the gap to stay that high.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

not really sure if I agree with the Supersonic reasoning, Mario surely is faster than some cannonballs shown there, but also slower than anothers (the red ones), perhaps the cannonballs don't have the IRL speed? I'm neutral for now, but I agree with Transonic because it's so explicit that it even hurts.

Btw, if you guys give me good answers about the cannonball speed then i will agree with Supersonic

 

[DimeUhDozen]

not really sure if I agree with the Supersonic reasoning, Mario surely is faster than some cannonballs shown there, but also slower than anothers (the red ones), perhaps the cannonballs don't have the IRL speed? I'm neutral for now, but I agree with Transonic because it's so explicit that it even hurts.

Btw, if you guys give me good answers about the cannonball speed then i will agree with Supersonic

I believe the red cannonballs are just faster than normal ones, and their coloring is meant to reflect their enhanced nature. Though, I wouldn’t be opposed to Transonic if I’m wrong.

 

[Mephistus]

Iirc, the lightning they moved with wasn’t exactly real lightning.

Which ones?

Also do we have the koopa the quick line in japanese ?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Which ones?

Sumo Bros. Lakithunder’s lightning also isn’t that really convincing since looking at the video used, he doesn’t actually move faster than the lightning.

Also do we have the koopa the quick line in japanese ?

Not sure, might be worth a look though.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Sumo Bros. Lakithunder’s lightning also isn’t that really convincing since looking at the video used, he doesn’t actually move faster than the lightning.

Well, it looks like natural lightning since it comes from a cloud, but Mario doesn't move faster than it

 

[Mephistus]

Sumo Bros. Lakithunder’s lightning also isn’t that really convincing since looking at the video used, he doesn’t actually move faster than the lightning.

Not much of a deep search but;

This from Wario, this enemy has a translation that can be lightning for the attacks, he jumps, runs and dashes comparably to its stroke.

The Ruff Puffs shoot lightning pretty easily maneuvered in Super Paper Mario, and its repeatedly called lightning for the Dark Puffs and in the homage game in general.

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For the lasers; there is a statement from the Official Dream Team Prima Guide that the lasers that relate they specifically shoot "pink light" for the same capability.

For all intents, it sure acts like a decent enough laser.

The bros can approach the enemy and dodge the stuff, it looks like they are decently faster in some aspects there.

 

[Hypertornado099]

The shoes being named Mach 1 Sprint doesn't mean Koopa the Quick is Mach 1

 

[Mephistus]

The shoes being named Mach 1 Sprint doesn't mean Koopa the Quick is Mach 1

Not sure, might be worth a look though.

Well, according to the Mariowiki; "
The secret to Koopa the Quick's speed on Tiny-Huge Island is his "Koopa Mach 1 Sprint" shoes or, in Super Mario 64 DS, "Supa Koopa Sprint" sneakers, on which he spent all of his cash. Neither is mentioned in the original Japanese script or the French translations, though the German, Italian, and Spanish translations retain the reference.

The above text is from the Super Mario Wiki and is available under a Creative Commons license. Attribution must be provided through a list of authors or a link back to the original article. Source: https://www.mariowiki.com/Koopa_the_Quick#Trivia"

So its made up for flair by localizers.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

The revision proposals are alright, though the MFTL+ rank would apply to both combat and reaction speed, not only combat speed. The characters can dodge or react to strikes from each other. For example, Mario and Luigi have to be synchronized with many of their actions while doing their Bros. Attacks during the Mario & Luigi games.

 

[Mephistus]

Did some stuff to help speed this along.

Mario goes super sonic

vsbattles.fandom.com

(video & quote should honestly speak for itself, calc is there for giggles)

&

Wario does a jiggle

vsbattles.fandom.com

(was mathematically accepted)

The verse will likely get a reckoning overhaul for speed >.>

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Did some stuff to help speed this along.

Mario goes super sonic

vsbattles.fandom.com

(video & quote should honestly speak for itself, calc is there for giggles)

&

Wario does a jiggle

vsbattles.fandom.com

(was mathematically accepted)

The verse will likely get a reckoning overhaul for speed >.>

goooood, my plan to get people to calc mario travel speed feats is wooorking.

 

[Mephistus]

not really sure if I agree with the Supersonic reasoning, Mario surely is faster than some cannonballs shown there, but also slower than anothers (the red ones), perhaps the cannonballs don't have the IRL speed? I'm neutral for now, but I agree with Transonic because it's so explicit that it even hurts.

Btw, if you guys give me good answers about the cannonball speed then i will agree with Supersonic

For indexing sake; here's a statement on the cannonballs and cape mario flying overall that fast, which his footspeed on ground keeps pace with and can sustain indefinitely, eyeballing without calcs. ig we use mftl+ stuff (for now).

 

[JPTheGamer]

No

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Nice necroposting

 

[Mephistus]

The feat of Bowser Jr. outrunning his Clown Car in Dream Team even with it getting visibly overstrained to catch up to him to the point of breaking down, with the Bros intentionally trying to crash it into him, would be one I'd like to see get cited on the pages if we are dedicated on scaling them to MFTL+ Mario Party stuff, with them being truly in "base" to scale to the copter's max speed since the Luma shit apparently made people lose their minds.

I guess that may be too much to ask though, for the page to instead to list specific examples.