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Superman fights a pony

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I vote Twilight!


both are pacifists but since Magic effects Superman normally


how would a magic energy beam effct him?
 
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no extra resistance to it.

Literally every time someone used magic against Superman, all it did was hurt him more than most things, and ends up powering through it.
 
So if Superman got hit by a magic lightning bolt it would... be as if he got hit by a non magical lightning bolt which does nothing.


this is the problem I have with his "No resistance" to magic. its seem intentionally vague.
 
Because the writers don't give a shit. But I'm saying most of the time, Magic is just a mild inconvenience for him.

Kryptonite has consistently been a much more severe weakness than magic. Magic is mainly just an ass-pull as to how a character who stands no chance against him, makes it so it isn't so.
 
so what dictates, Superman against an energy beam by say a machine and a beam of magic from Twilight....with both having the same output of energy?


What would determine Twilight's beam doing damage?
 
Any arguments against Supes getting his power negated? Yeah Rainbow Power restored magic, but it still had to take it away by force, against Tirek's will.
 
Anything suggest that it works on all abilities, including natural non-magical ones, when all it did was take away stolen magic?
 
TeenAngel101 said:
Anything suggest that it works on all abilities, including natural non-magical ones, when all it did was take away stolen magic?
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It did the same to Discord an NNM. The Elements pretty clearly have a power nullification going for them.
 
Again, it seems to only work against magic. Also, the profile says that it was only reversing the effects of his reality warping.

Superman's powers are in no way magic related.

And if it is not on the profile, it is a moot point.
 
TeenAngel101 said:
Again, it seems to only work against magic. Also, the profile says that it was only reversing the effects of his reality warping.

Superman's powers are in no way magic related.

And if it is not on the profile, it is a moot point.
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Would Reversing his RW not be nullifying them? They still had to overcome it's effects to reverse it in the first place. He certainly couldn't use his RW to escape.
 
Their power nullification is a pretty weak arguement to use against Supes; he's basically a massive solar battery. P. sure Discord's reality warping counts as magic, too.
 
Korudo Daio said:
Their power nullification is a pretty weak arguement to use against Supes; he's basically a massive solar battery. P. sure Discord's reality warping counts as magic, too.
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1. A fair point.
2. But thats assuming it works only on magic, which is little more than speculation imo.
 
No, the speculation is that it works on everything when it has only EVER worked on magic.

Not to mention IT'S NOT ON THE PROFILE.
 
TeenAngel101 said:
No, the speculation is that it works on everything when it has only EVER worked on magic.

Not to mention IT'S NOT ON THE PROFILE.
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You can't say that though. You may as well say genjutsu is useless because the other guy doesn't hwve a chakra system with that logic.

Well it clearly does it. If it didn't then why couldn't Discord escape? Why couldn't he jyst use his magic, and break out?
 
Lightbuster30 said:
TeenAngel101 said:
No, the speculation is that it works on everything when it has only EVER worked on magic.

Not to mention IT'S NOT ON THE PROFILE.
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You can't say that though. You may as well say genjutsu is useless because the other guy doesn't hwve a chakra system with that logic.
Well it clearly does it. If it didn't then why couldn't Discord escape? Why couldn't he jyst use his magic, and break out?
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While some things can be settled using verse equalization (e.g., equating magic to ki/chakra/chi/etc.), Superman's powers have a very clear source, in the form of the natural electromagnetic energy (aka SUNLIGHT) of the Sun, which is NOT supernatural in nature like magic/ki/chi/chakra, etc. So even IF power nullification was listed on Twilight's profile, it'd have no effect, because in "canon" it has not been shown to work on anything besides magic/supernatural energies.

If Power Nullification was listed on her profile, and this were a fight between, say, Sasuke and Twilight, then it'd be generally agreed that chakra = magic, or else Sasuke's genjutsu doesn't work. But it isn't; it's a fight against someone with a non-supernatural power source, who gets his powers purely from the nature of his physical biology in response to yellow sunlight. There's nothing magical to nullify, and so it's a moot, fallacious arguement (particularly because, as TeenAngel noted, Power Nullification IS NOT LISTED on Twilight's profile).
 
You can't say that though. You may as well say genjutsu is useless because the other guy doesn't hwve a chakra system with that logic.
Well it clearly does it. If it didn't then why couldn't Discord escape? Why couldn't he jyst use his magic, and break out?

While some things can be settled using verse equalization (e.g., equating magic to ki/chakra/chi/etc.), Superman's powers have a very clear source, in the form of the natural electromagnetic energy (aka SUNLIGHT) of the Sun, which is NOT supernatural in nature like magic/ki/chi/chakra, etc. So even IF power nullification was listed on Twilight's profile, it'd have no effect, because in "canon" it has not been shown to work on anything besides magic/supernatural energies.

If Power Nullification was listed on her profile, and this were a fight between, say, Sasuke and Twilight, then it'd be generally agreed that chakra = magic, or else Sasuke's genjutsu doesn't work. But it isn't; it's a fight against someone with a non-supernatural power source, who gets his powers purely from the nature of his physical biology in response to yellow sunlight. There's nothing magical to nullify, and so it's a moot, fallacious arguement (particularly because, as TeenAngel noted, Power Nullification IS NOT LISTED on Twilight's profile).

Fair enough.
 
So wouldn't magic count as a "natural ability"? It seems to be directly related to their biology, manifesting itself in different ways for different pony types. I mean I get that it's supernatural, but it also seems to be a natural ability they have. Although feel free to call me out if you think that is pushing it.
 
Well, the page clearly says Twilight only has "the ability to return the stolen flight, strength and magic back to the ponies of Equestria", this wouldn't work on Supes, since it only works if the opponent stole the strength from the ponies of Equestria. I personally don't agree with that either, but, what can I do? We have to follow what's on the page ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»
 
It doesn't have to return magic to work. The predecessors to Rainbow Power: The Elements of Harmony, not only reversed Discord's Reality Warping, but also locked him in stone. It doesn't just reverse the effects of powers, it also nullifies them. Otherwise Discord could just use his magic to escape. Why else wouldn't he be able to escape if his powers weren't being negated?

Regardless what their page says, it is clear that the Elements did something that kept Discord from using his abilities to escape his stone prison.

Bear in mind that their magic is a natural part of their biology, similar to how Superman absorbing Sunlight is part of his, meaning that they ca negate natural abilities, even if the abilities in question are supernatural.
 
Yes but the act of sealing still kept him from using his powers didn't it? Wait nvm, just checked the thread, the Elements have type 2 sealing.

Same, I'm too lazy to argue it in depth atm.
 
Has Discord ever shown the ability to escape sealing or use his power while sealed? If he didn't, then nothing is being negated, it's just that he can't escape.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Has Discord ever shown the ability to escape sealing or use his power while sealed? If he didn't, then nothing is being negated, it's just that he can't escape.
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Well Discord is aware of his surroundings even when sealed. I'd assume he tried, and failed to escape. He did create some plundervines that lingered until the present.
 
Just because he is aware while sealed, doesn't mean he has the ability to escape sealing, and that specific type of sealing in the only type of sealing that works on him because it nullifies his ability to escape sealing. And he had planted the vines beforehand, and they were growing independently of his powers, or else they would have vanished when the Elements defeated him.
 
Not really, Discord can use his powers by thinking of it. Yeah he snaps his fingers 90% of the time, but he has more than a few moments where he uses his power mentally. Or at least without any physical cues.

Well yeah, but they were still constructs of his magic. We see all of his creations disappear when Discord loses access to his power. Logically the PV should have disappeared along with the rest of his magic.
 
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