Super Sonic vs Nayru

[The_real_cal_howard]

Nayru wants to fight Sonic because he forsook the color of blue to convert to the color yellow.


Speedy action hero

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

What are the combat applications of Nayru's Space-time, Physics, and Law Manips? How good is her Precog and Mind Manip?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sonic should be able to resist her mind manipulation since after all, Chaos Emeralds are shown to block out mental attacks. I think the real issue is if her law manipulation is combat applicable. If it is, she could basically just turn Sonic into an egg.

 

[PaChi2]

Show me a scan or something that shows Nayru's combat prowess please.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Nayru basically created Space-Time, the Laws and physics of the universes via flying. And she probably leads with law manip (or concept manip of wisdom) as it's her main ability.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Nayru basically created Space-Time, the Laws and physics of the universes via flying. And she probably leads with law manip (or concept manip of wisdom) as it's her main ability.

Has she offensively manipulated the universe's Laws or physics in combat? Cuz basic creation of those things probably won't mean anything.

 

[TriforcePower1]

That's literally the only thing she did in the entire series ovo. She never fought as she's the absolute god tier of the verse (with the other two goddesses).

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I mean, if all she did was create those concepts then we there's no proof that she can manipulate them to her whim.

 

[PaChi2]

Maverick makes good points.

 

[TriforcePower1]

She can concept manip and RW scaling from Triforce, but I'm unsure about her being capable of changing laws and physics. I need to check that, but it's likely she can as that's kind of her main thing. Ask Cal.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The Triforce's Concept manip is apparently "limited" and vague at that. Reality Warping is a wide range of abilities so the specific applications of Nayru's RW should be specified so it can be understood why it'd grant an inherent advantage over Sonic.

I'll go with Sonic via actual combat experience until Cal or another lot replies to elaborate on Nayru's abilities.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Combat experience isn't really helpful against an omniscient...

 

[TriforcePower1]

Nah, the TF's concept manip has been upgraded as it now can "change the essence of all things", so it's still very useful.

Dunno, maybe she can estend her RW powers to Law manip? This RW is the "wish for something and that'll be granted" kind. So it's extremely versatile.

Nigh-omniscient (nigh only because of the other two goddesses) about a verse in which tons of people fight with hax would still give you an upper hand in combat. Edit: ninja'd about this last part.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nah, the TF's concept manip has been upgraded as it now can "change the essence of all things", so it's still very useful.

Dunno, maybe she can estend her RW powers to Law manip? This RW is the "wish for something and that'll be granted" kind. So it's extremely versatile.

Nigh-omniscient (nigh only because of the other two goddesses) about a verse in which tons of people fight with hax would still give you an upper hand in combat. Edit: ninja'd about this last part.

Nigh-omniscience doesn't mean she'll have knowledge on Sonic though as he's from a different verse. That only works in-verse.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

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Okay. In combat, how in-character is it for Nayru to change a concept's "essence" or wish Sonic out of existence (or something along those lines)? Cuz simply having an ability doesn't rly grant any inherent dominance in a Versus Thread. If Nayru isn't willing to use the specific applications of the abilities presented then it shouldn't mean jack.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

tl dr: "X character has this ability or item which can do this so they win" isn't a good way of deciding who wins unless it can be proven that the character deploys such strategies in combat.

 

[TriforcePower1]

No idea. As I said above, Nayru has never fought before.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Though, given her omniscience, she's extremely unlikely to do something that could put her to disadvantage.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@SW. Omnisciece means any amount of combat experience pales in comparison because the opponent has all the experience. My that she'll be aware of Sonic's experience.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I probs should've noticed dat sooner than later

Aight, but it's debatable if her Nigh-Omniscience would encompass Sonic's abilities due to his existence stemming from outside her Verse:

Nigh-omniscience doesn't mean she'll have knowledge on Sonic though as he's from a different verse. That only works in-verse.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What abilities does Sonic have that are out of the ordinary though? I'm not arguing that she knows Sonic or his fighting style. I'm arguing that no matter how much fighting experience Sonic brings to the table, it pales in comparison to Nayru who knows all the fighting experience of all the Zelda-verse.

And to answer the question, the one time the Golden Goddesses could be bothered to interfere with the Light World, they went with the lolsealing.

 

[YungManzi]

Man....Omniscience really should be saved for actual gods (Tier 1 and above). It really doesn't translate well in a vs battle.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sonic's combat experience is moot then. But considering she doesn't know him, his arsenal, or his powerset her nigh-omniscience it doesn't provide much versatility beyond negging his combat experience.

How does Goddess-sealing work? I'll vote for Nayru via that if it isn't something that can be dodged. inb4 it happened off scree

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

...it happened offscreen

 

[TriforcePower1]

I wasn't joking when I said that them flying was the only thing they did.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Going inconclusive for now

 

[Eficiente]

Nayru ftra.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I'm also going inconclusive since there's not enough information on how Nayru fights.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Not enough

That's an understatement

 

[TriforcePower1]

She kind of leads with Law manip in myth, and that's kind of her thing. And creating laws isn't as useless as it seems, she could just create something like "everything yellow collapses on itself" or something like that, and it would technically be a win.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

From what I've gathered she's never established laws to detriment others, meaning that wouldn't be in-character.

 

[TriforcePower1]

She doesn't even have a character to begin with.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Heck, the picture in the OP isn't even her. It's her oracle (and when her oracle is possessed by Vera at that)

 

[TriforcePower1]

>Her oracle

Assuming she has any kind of relationship with her except the name ovo

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I reason I went for Inconclusive in the first place is becasue she's so dubious

 

[TriforcePower1]

Why isn't she banned from vs threads? We have literally no idea on how she fights (except for the Law thing. Maybe).

 

[CaptainFinnigan]

Seems like inconclusive to me since no one here seems to know how this thottie fights and if she leads with law manip or not.