Studio Trigger's Tomboys (Amanda O'Neill vs Ryūko Matoi) (4-0-0)

[Peppersalt43]

Got this idea while browsing through the LWA Reddit. I swear if this is a stomp again I will go insane

Amanda: 4

Ryuko: 0

Incon: 0

*Speed Equalized (Pretty sure without this Ryuko would be 2x faster which would be bad as she has amps)
*Starting distance is 50 meters
*Post 3-Star Absorption Ryuko used
*Considering giving prior knowledge depending on what gets brought up

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[DimeUhDozen]

Already tried this matchup.

It was a stomp.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Already tried this matchup.

OK you really should've tagged that match. This is apparently the first time I've used Amanda's character tag

Also you didn't equalize speed last time. According to that one comment, her speed upscales through her keys so I'm pretty sure just equalizing speed should be fine

 

[Peppersalt43]

Ah, the first bump

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This fight comes down to whoever hits the other first as they can both one-shot each other.

 

[Peppersalt43]

This fight comes down to whoever hits the other first as they can both one-shot each other.

Indeed

Now, I won't argue on this, Ryuko is definitely more skilled in combat with what little I remember of the series (I still remember that infamous Satsuki vs Meliodas thread)

However Amanda does outrange with her attacks. If I recall correctly, the 6-A is from the Scissor Blade itself (Cutting power I recall)

 

[noninho]

Seems to me like Ryuko with type 3 immo on a High-Mid regen is enough to tank attacks enough for her to take an attack (if she takes) until she reduces her distance (which should be "hundreds of meters" according to Amanda's range section).

Besides "Hundreds of meters" being an easy to distance to reduce with their speed and High-Mid-Regen-Immo-type-3, I call for another point in Ryuko's favor which is the intelligence. See, they're technically both Gifted combat-wise but if we compare what both sections say, we definitely can say Ryuko's on a favorable situation on this matter...I mean, not to disrespect Amanda or anything (idek her Animanga yet) but take a look at this

Unknown. Gifted in combat (Has great skill with broom flying, swordplay and dancing)

What she's using in her favor is the range but her intelligence highlights on the same level how she can dance and swordplay and not even mention magic?

Ryuko FRA. Hope I haven't unintentionally turned this into a stomp

 

[Peppersalt43]

Seems to me like Ryuko with type 3 immo on a High-Mid regen is enough to tank attacks enough for her to take an attack (if she takes) until she reduces her distance (which should be "hundreds of meters" according to Amanda's range section).

Uh so, Amanda actually has Regen-Negation up to Low-High (It's somewhere around the resistance section in her magic tab). It's actually why I picked this Ryuko key

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Amanda’s intelligence is kinda shit rn, but she’s battled an immortal demon that has seen the past, present, and future all at once multiple times, beaten dragons, the Ghost Witch, which the professors, which should be masters of magic for several decades, perceived as a threat, and assisted in the defeat of Croix’s pixels, the big bad of the franchise.

Also Amanda and lots of other witches in the series use transmutation as a first attack. Metamorphosis Magic is like the easiest spell for witches to learn and they use it often when dealing with threats. She could potentially just fire a transmutation spell and on contact turn Ryuko into a bunny or something.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[noninho]

I would love to talk more but apparently I missed something on Amanda's profile and idk both shows lol

 

[XitSign]

Don't know both series super well, but this is starting to look like 'Fight determined by range' situation.

If Amanda can transmute and neg Ryuko's regen at a massive range advantage, doesn't seem like Ryuko has any viable options to even fight without arguing the skill would let her close the gap.

Conversely, seems if Ryuko is in range, the arguments for skill and oneshot take over and Amanda it oneshot-skill stompped off the bat.

So unless I'm missing something or don't know either series well enough, seems like this is one of those matches where the winner is the battle conditions themselves...

So Ryuko's own range attacks DON'T scale to the higher attack potency though? Since it says she has kilometers but only 6-A with her scissor blade?

 

[Peppersalt43]

without arguing the skill would let her close the gap.

Which would mean this would be an important section to hinge on when the KLK supporters eventually show up

 

[XitSign]

Yeah that's the ONLY factor here that I think that draws the line between 'Battle Condition causes stomp' or 'viable matchup'...And I just don't think I can give enough input beyond that concern this fight might be one of those 'stomp or be stomped' situations...

 

[XitSign]

Speed Equalized (Pretty sure without this Ryuko would be 2x faster which would be bad as she has amps)

Are they combat applicable here? Cause re-reading through to see if I can find a way to make this work better...I don't see where she amps beyond 'synchronizing better', but would she 'synchronize better' at all?

If she boosts her speed and has some decent skill advantages, then yeah I actually could see a decent argument that she's able to dodge the ranged attacks, avoiding the abilities that would one-shot her, and allow her to close the gap to have her own win-con.

But it looks like the RE needs her to be close to death? But that seems to be valueless here since Amanda's win-cons seem like oneshots. And what's the context of 'synchronizing better' then? What triggers that?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Peppersalt43]

Uh, bump

 

[Cropfist]

I haven't seen this artist in 500 years holy shit

Ryuko probably wins by sheer regeneration withstanding most of Amanda's arsenal + superior stats

 

[Peppersalt43]

Ryuko probably wins by sheer regeneration withstanding most of Amanda's arsenal + superior stats

Also Amanda and lots of other witches in the series use transmutation as a first attack. Metamorphosis Magic is like the easiest spell for witches to learn and they use it often when dealing with threats. She could potentially just fire a transmutation spell and on contact turn Ryuko into a bunny or something.

Uh so, Amanda actually has Regen-Negation up to Low-High (It's somewhere around the resistance section in her magic tab). It's actually why I picked this Ryuko key

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[Mickey1940]

Ryuko needs to get in super close and specifically hit her with the Rending Scissors in the face in order to 1 shot.

meanwhile Amanda can literally do anything to 1 shot, and can bypass her regeneration by burning her to a crisp or freezing her, or anything else she has in her arsenal, plus she has vastly superior range. I'm pretty sure it's in-character for her to just use a normal elemental attack.

Ryuko won't be able to outgrow her off the bat since she requires actually being in combat for extended periods of time in order to get stronger, but she can't do that if she's just 1 shot by everything

 

[Peppersalt43]

Ryuko won't be able to outgrow her off the bat since she requires actually being in combat for extended periods of time in order to get stronger, but she can't do that if she's just 1 shot by everything

Technically I do recall in her intelligence section that she has figured out that she can just hurt herself to trigger her amps

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Peppersalt43]

Uh, bump

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, I read this all, and Amanda seems to take It.

i voting her, If she can one-shot due to range.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Counted and thank you!

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[XitSign]

See this thread is risen once more.

My problems and confusions haven't changed...It's unclear to me why the ranged attacks don't scale for Ryuko, how Ryuko's speed amps play into this if they caused a stomp last time since it seems like they can't even be used here, and it seems like there was a discussion of skill that went nowhere on Ryuko's side because it's super unclear if she can't just speed amp and close the gap while being untouchable in her own skill given the ranged distance?

If she can? It seems like a brutal oneshot when she closes in, if she can't she's just outranged before she can even attack?

I don't have a great opinion on who to vote for, and I'm still feeling like everything I'm seeing here is, even if we get a winner, this is going to be a stomp thread. Whichever side's wincons are valid seem to be completely oppressive...And changing the SBA is only going to favor one or the other in making their side worse?

No vote, basically saying my last posts still stand?

 

[Peppersalt43]

No vote, basically saying my last posts still stand?

Sure

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

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[Mickey1940]

See this thread is risen once more.

My problems and confusions haven't changed...It's unclear to me why the ranged attacks don't scale for Ryuko, how Ryuko's speed amps play into this if they caused a stomp last time since it seems like they can't even be used here, and it seems like there was a discussion of skill that went nowhere on Ryuko's side because it's super unclear if she can't just speed amp and close the gap while being untouchable in her own skill given the ranged distance?

If she can? It seems like a brutal oneshot when she closes in, if she can't she's just outranged before she can even attack?

I don't have a great opinion on who to vote for, and I'm still feeling like everything I'm seeing here is, even if we get a winner, this is going to be a stomp thread. Whichever side's wincons are valid seem to be completely oppressive...And changing the SBA is only going to favor one or the other in making their side worse?

No vote, basically saying my last posts still stand?

Her speed amps come from reactive evolution, which requires extensive combat to abuse, which won't work cuz haha funni pk fire gg

also, apparently it states on Amanda's profile that she's a highly skilled sword wielder in her own right so even if Ryuko gets close they can still 1 shot each other since Rending Scissors slice Amanda in half while Amanda is 6C with Low High Regen Negation that can negate Ryuko's worse regeneration

 

[Peppersalt43]

Her speed amps come from reactive evolution, which requires extensive combat to abuse, which won't work cuz haha funni pk fire gg

also, apparently it states on Amanda's profile that she's a highly skilled sword wielder in her own right so even if Ryuko gets close they can still 1 shot each other since Rending Scissors slice Amanda in half while Amanda is 6C with Low High Regen Negation that can negate Ryuko's worse regeneration

So, you planning on voting or just stating this out there?

 

[Mickey1940]

So, you planning on voting or just stating this out there?

I vote Amanda for my reasons above

 

[Peppersalt43]

Counted and thank you!

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump