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In this thread Martial Peak got his Low 1A upgrades through the Myriad Grand Daos, the source of everything.
In this thread an upgrade attempt to 1A was made.
Major point of contention was the lack of true qualitative superiority over the Myriad Grand Daos by the Universe Furnace.
A contention I agreed with: While the Universe Furnace Creates "everything" and hence predates the Grand Daos, he requires the Chaos "nothingness".
According to our 1A standards in regards to qualitative superiority:
"Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative
Hence: The UF being dependent on nothingness to create everything disproves qualitative superiority as the UF itself would be unable to access the everything without the nothing in the first place
Superior Method: EOS-Creation Force application. It is in the most literal sense of the word unreachable by both Chaos nothingness and Dao everything as shown in the final battle.
Yang Kai pre-EOS incorporated Chaos into his own ST-River, turning it into a Chaos river:
But Creation Force remains untouchable
Conclusion: Any scaling for the Grand Daos, for Chaos, for the Universe Furnace and more do not apply. It is a true qualitative superiority.
Changed 1A scalings from the previous 1A upgrade thread
High 1A Thesis (EOS Yang Kai Only)
In the final chapters we get confirmation that the entire verse of Martial Peak is but one of many, which includes other creations which are not following the methods we have followed but own versions (with only all chasing the Dao being similar):
And Yang Kai leaves to find those
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And with his (and his wifes) departure Martial Peak ends. Here comes the Thesis for High 1A:
In a different novel called "The Great Sage of Humanity" Yang Kai is strongly implied to / quasi confirmed to have journeyed to. Like stated in Martial Peak this novel plays in a complete different reality, using complete different methods of cultivation. Yang Kai, in his godlike realm, then passes down his own methods of cultivating and artifacts.
I am not yet sure which novel quotes to use for these things, as the novel is not fully translated yet / has different translations and unlike MP I know very little about. It is also not finished yet. The idea of the MC having breaken the shackles of his own work of fiction and affecting other works of fiction set in complete different realities after this was teased in his own novel however I see as a strong indicator from a Meta perspective. If this would open up the discussion for High 1A I would chase the quotes which either confirm or are not yet enough for the thesis. If this is completely irrelevant, I dont bother, input would help a lot here!
In this thread an upgrade attempt to 1A was made.
Major point of contention was the lack of true qualitative superiority over the Myriad Grand Daos by the Universe Furnace.
A contention I agreed with: While the Universe Furnace Creates "everything" and hence predates the Grand Daos, he requires the Chaos "nothingness".
| The edge of the Universe was Chaos! |
| It could even be said that the Universe had no end, because Chaos itself was disorderly and chaotic. |
| If the 3,000 Worlds and the Black Ink Battlefield were considered a single entity, then this whole entity should be surrounded by endless Chaos. |
| The eruption of the Universe Furnace was slowly transforming this Chaos into a part of the Universe, expanding its borders without limit. |
| All of a sudden, a powerful suction came from the furnace, devouring the Chaos in the nearby void in a flash. |
| The massive and majestic Universe Furnace seemed to have transformed into a bottomless pit. It only seemed to draw in Chaos however, while whatever it had spewed out, whether it was the embryonic Universe Worlds, various Celestial Phenomena, or even the invisible and formless Dao Strengths, they were completely unaffected. |
| Furthermore, the devouring force became stronger and stronger, so strong that an enormous vortex visible to the naked eye had appeared at the mouth of the Universe Furnace. |
| Watching this from afar, Yang Kai was stunned, but not too surprised. |
| When he was in the Universe Furnace World, Yang Kai had discovered that whether it was the Infinite River that flowed across the entire Universe Furnace World or the nine Grand Dao evolutions of the Universe Furnace, all of them involved the mysteries of the Chaos evolving into 10,000 Grand Daos. |
| When he first entered the Universe Furnace, it was also filled with Chaos, and it was in that Chaos-rich environment that all kinds of strange things were born, even the Chaos Spirit Clan. |
| But the key question was where did the Chaos in the Universe Furnace come from? |
| It came from here! |
| The Universe Furnace was located at the edge of the Universe and swallowed Chaos to fill itself. Whenever it reached its limit, it would convert this Chaos into 10,000 Grand Daos. |
| And when the Universe Furnace had been filled to its limit, it would appear once more! |
| When the Chaos inside the Universe Furnace had completely evolved into the 10,000 Grand Daos, the Universe Furnace would close and everything inside would be spewed out, expanding the Universe further. |
| This was a true Samsara… |
According to our 1A standards in regards to qualitative superiority:
"Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative
Hence: The UF being dependent on nothingness to create everything disproves qualitative superiority as the UF itself would be unable to access the everything without the nothing in the first place
Superior Method: EOS-Creation Force application. It is in the most literal sense of the word unreachable by both Chaos nothingness and Dao everything as shown in the final battle.
Yang Kai pre-EOS incorporated Chaos into his own ST-River, turning it into a Chaos river:
| As Yin and Yang circled around each other, Time and Space became twisted and ultimately evolved into Chaos. |
| All Dao Strengths converged into one, and ultimately became Chaos! |
| This was a mysterious process Yang Kai had comprehended from the Infinite River; and at this moment, he had thoroughly confirmed this point using his own Dao Strengths’ evolution. |
| At this moment, the Space-Time River circling around him was no longer the Space-Time River, but a Chaos River. |
But Creation Force remains untouchable
| While Yang Kai was caught up in these thoughts, Mo was already storming over. Even though Yang Kai used the Dao Strengths of the river to form barriers and restraints, it was not enough to stop Mo. |
| Apart from Black Ink Strength, yet another mysterious power was swirling around Mo. It was most likely Creation Force. All of the Dao Strengths that came near Mo would instantly shatter without accomplishing anything. |
| Yang Kai felt his chest caving in as he fell into the river. |
| “Waste!” Mo stood above the river. The torrential waves fiercely charged at Mo, but they would die out once they were within 10 steps of him, filling his eyes with disappointment. |
Conclusion: Any scaling for the Grand Daos, for Chaos, for the Universe Furnace and more do not apply. It is a true qualitative superiority.
Changed 1A scalings from the previous 1A upgrade thread
Mu is the Primary scaler as, she completely replicated the Universe Furnace's transcendence nature over the everything.(no creation force)Zhang Ruo Xi as Heaven's Order can fight on par, although somewhat weaker.(no creation force)Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer will scale, since they're originally apart of the First Light which serves as the Antithesis to the Primordial Darkness that is Ink.(no creation force)Giant Spiritual Gods can protect themselves from the power of Sun's Burning Shine and Moon's Nether Glimmer.(no creation force)Yang Kai (Ninth Rank) Fought against and eventually defeated Ink.(no creation force)- Ink (has creation force)
- Yang Kai (EOS) (has creation force)
High 1A Thesis (EOS Yang Kai Only)
In the final chapters we get confirmation that the entire verse of Martial Peak is but one of many, which includes other creations which are not following the methods we have followed but own versions (with only all chasing the Dao being similar):
And Yang Kai leaves to find those
-
And with his (and his wifes) departure Martial Peak ends. Here comes the Thesis for High 1A:
In a different novel called "The Great Sage of Humanity" Yang Kai is strongly implied to / quasi confirmed to have journeyed to. Like stated in Martial Peak this novel plays in a complete different reality, using complete different methods of cultivation. Yang Kai, in his godlike realm, then passes down his own methods of cultivating and artifacts.
I am not yet sure which novel quotes to use for these things, as the novel is not fully translated yet / has different translations and unlike MP I know very little about. It is also not finished yet. The idea of the MC having breaken the shackles of his own work of fiction and affecting other works of fiction set in complete different realities after this was teased in his own novel however I see as a strong indicator from a Meta perspective. If this would open up the discussion for High 1A I would chase the quotes which either confirm or are not yet enough for the thesis. If this is completely irrelevant, I dont bother, input would help a lot here!
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