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Stolas Vs Agent Venom (Hellaverse Vs Marvel Comics) (0-0-0)

Arbitrarily_User

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Stolas travels to another dimension and accidentally stumbles in Earth-616

Rules​

  • Starting Distance: 10 meters apart
  • Equipment:
    • Stolas: No access to Grimoire
    • Agent Venom: Access to standard firearms
  • Location: Earth-616
  • Victory Condition: Knockout
  • Knowledge: None
  • Preparation Time: None
  • State of Mind: Both in-character

Votes​

Stolas:
Agent Venom:
Inconclusive:
 
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Arbitrarily_User said:
Stolas travels to another dimension and accidentally stumbles in Earth-616

Rules:
  • Fight starts 10 meters away
  • (For Stolas) No access to Grimoire

Votes:
Stolas:
Agent Venom:
Inconclusive:
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Hey you forgot the link to agent venom.
Heres the link.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Agent Venom

Eugene "Flash" Thompson is Peter Parker’s former classmate, childhood bully, and Spider-Man’s biggest fan. Joining the military after graduating from high school, he lost his legs while saving a fellow soldier in Iraq. He is subsequently enlisted into Project Rebirth 2.0, where he bonds with the...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
people really find the worst, least worked on Marvel files to make matches with huh
 
The_Impress said:
people really find the worst, least worked on Marvel files to make matches with huh
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Hey, just wanted to say, I’m really just trying to have fun with this matchup. It’s my first time posting a thread here, and I’m not trying to be one of “those people” you’re referring to. I get that some Marvel profiles aren’t as fleshed out, but I thought the concept was interesting enough to spark a cool debate. I would’ve appreciated if you joined in and voted instead of seeming disappointed in the post itself.
 
Alrighty.
Unfortunately, Stolas can't die by Venom. Agent Venom's symbiote can't possess unlike Eddie's symbiote.
Stomp.
 
Isn't Flash's far more creative than Eddie when it comes to Symbiote usage? And can't he do the same thing Eddie does?
 
So like, how does Agent Venom counter Petrification, Possession, Invisibility or Teleportation (BFR, no?) with him having canonically used the second and third in the mortal realm, though Stolas isn't shown using Petrification, except the time his and his daughter's lives were threatened, second is a potential wincon, third helps, and fourth can be used for when he realizes he can't kill Agent Venom, and Stolas basically never goes for closed-ranged combat, so that won't be much of an issue, only problems is that both can't really kill each other, but while Agent Venom has no hax for it, Stolas' Petrification and Teleportation can be used to bypass that.

Feel like it's a stomp ngl.
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
Hey, just wanted to say, I’m really just trying to have fun with this matchup. It’s my first time posting a thread here, and I’m not trying to be one of “those people” you’re referring to. I get that some Marvel profiles aren’t as fleshed out, but I thought the concept was interesting enough to spark a cool debate. I would’ve appreciated if you joined in and voted instead of seeming disappointed in the post itself.
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I don't mean any offense. But we can't vote because stomps are not allowed in profiles anyway. Unfortunately, a large variety of thematic matches simply are either stomps or otherwise can't work, and since stomps are... well, stomps, there isn't really any room to do debating overall.
 
whats the possession mechanic based on? Because the symbiote makes the user have a mindhax resist.

Also has he ever used the Teleportation for BFR?
 
Yeah, lwk this is definitely a stomp, I don't see a single wincon for Agent Venom.
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
I don't mean any offense. But we can't vote because stomps are not allowed in profiles anyway. Unfortunately, a large variety of thematic matches simply are either stomps or otherwise can't work, and since stomps are... well, stomps, there isn't really any room to do debating overall.
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It's not really a stomp. It's pretty close if you think about it. Thompson has military training, so he can fight, Stolas can't. Stolas just knows how to punch. Agent Venom has Hypersonic combat speed, which means he should quickly dismantle Stolas before he could react, or even dodge Stolas' magic. Stolas can fly through space, but that's not listed in his profile, so we're not going to count that. It is listed in Stolas' profile that he doesn't take anything seriously, which gives Thompson an advantage. I did say that they are both in-character. They are both in the same attack potency, Large Building Level, which should put them in the same ballpark, strength-wise. So, yeah, Stolas may have powers that doesn't grant him a cosmic tier, but Agent Venom has the battle intelligence to actually take him down.
 
If speed isn't equalized then Flash is the one that stomps lol.

Speed standards are so whack that even 3x is a blirz
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
Agent Venom has Hypersonic combat speed, which means he should quickly dismantle Stolas before he could react, or even dodge Stolas' magic.
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He has Hypersonic combat speed, that doesn't matter much as Stolas never goes for close-ranged fighting, he always keeps his distance, not to mention Agent Venom has no movement speed value, unlike Stolas.
Arbitrarily_User said:
Stolas can fly through space, but that's not listed in his profile, so we're not going to count that.
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Yes it is?
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Literally listed below Energy Projection & Energy Manipulation. That's kind of irrelevant to the fight anyways, not like Stolas would start the fight by flying into space.
Arbitrarily_User said:
It is listed in Stolas' profile that he doesn't take anything seriously, which gives Thompson an advantage. I did say that they are both in-character.
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Not taking things seriously does not mean he'd risk going into close combat with a weird creature, mind you that he also did not take Striker seriously yet his first instinct was to fly away from him when he was being shot from him, and moreover, he did not take D.H.O.R.K.S seriously yet started by turning invisible and possessing one of them and could've killed her at that point.

So again, Stolas keeps his range and him "not taking things seriously" would realistically make him BFR him, petrify him, or possess him, and since the win condition is knockout, Stolas can do either last 2 ones and win.
 
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Mythic381 said:
He has Hypersonic combat speed, that doesn't matter much as Stolas never goes for close-ranged fighting, he always keeps his distance, not to mention Agent Venom has no movement speed value, unlike Stolas.
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Agent Venom’s Hypersonic combat speed affects reaction time, not just the distance. His profile backs it with feats. Stolas’ profile lists “Subsonic, likely Supersonic” and doesn’t quantify movement speed either. In fact, it doesn't even list any speed feats, it's just superior comparisons. Flash still has the edge.
Mythic381 said:
Dawg, do you even read the profiles?
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Yes, I did, but what I meant by he didn't have a feat listed where he flew in the vacuum of space, I meant he didn't have that listed in his speed statistic. It doesn't say in his speed category, "Was able to fly in space." So, that means he is slower than Thompson, both movement and flight.
Mythic381 said:
Not taking things seriously does not mean he'd risk going into close combat with a weird creature, mind you that he also did not take Striker seriously yet his first instinct was to fly away from him when he was being shot from him.
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Stolas fleeing from Striker proves he doesn’t always use his best powers first. In-character, that hesitation gives Agent Venom a chance to strike before Stolas reacts. Not a stomp.
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
Agent Venom’s Hypersonic combat speed affects reaction time, not just the distance
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In what way does that concern my argument? Stolas is faster than Agent Venom in movement speed and he doesn't fight close-range, ergo combat speed wouldn't matter if your opponent's fight style is keeping their distance. All Stolas has to do is literally glare at Agent Venom from a distance and he gets petrified, or possess him.
Arbitrarily_User said:
His profile backs it with feats. Stolas’ profile lists “Subsonic, likely Supersonic” and doesn’t quantify movement speed either. In fact, it doesn't even list any speed feats, it's just superior comparisons. Flash still has the edge.
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You do realize "superior comparisons" still applies for speed right? He's clearly faster than them and has shown the ability to easily dodge bullets.
Arbitrarily_User said:
Stolas fleeing from Striker proves he doesn’t always use his best powers first. In-character, that hesitation gives Agent Venom a chance to strike before Stolas reacts. Not a stomp.
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No? It's the fact he never took Striker seriously:

Casually makes a phone call while being kidnapped.

Outright making a casual conversation and mocking him the whole scene.

The whole point is that Stolas simply wants Blitzo to come save him to "fulfill his fantasies" which was previously showcased in Loo Loo Land, but with Stolas being in a whole different universe he'd actually take action against Agent Venom.
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
Yes, I did, but what I meant by he didn't have a feat listed where he flew in the vacuum of space, I meant he didn't have that listed in his speed statistic.
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Feat not being listed doesn't mean it isn't applicable, and flying through space isn't a feat you can quantify without context, if anything it was previously scaled at FTL but later entirely removed.
 
Mythic381 said:
In what way does that concern my argument? Stolas is faster than Agent Venom in movement speed and he doesn't fight close-range, ergo combat speed wouldn't matter if your opponent's fight style is keeping their distance. All Stolas has to do is literally glare at Agent Venom from a distance and he gets petrified, or possess him.
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Yeah, but even if Stolas keeps his distance between them, Thompson can still dodge Stolas' magic if he can't reach him. Stolas couldn't petrify or possess him if Agent Venom already whipped his arsenals out. He would start shooting at Stolas and Stolas would start flying around, dodging the bullets, like he did with Striker, which would stall Stolas for a short period of time.
Mythic381 said:
You do realize "superior comparisons" still applies for speed right? He's clearly faster than them and has shown the ability to easily dodge bullets.
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Yeah, but that's not listed in his speed category, so, unfortunately, we can't use that unlisted feat.
Mythic381 said:
No? It's the fact he never took Striker seriously:

Casually makes a phone call while being kidnapped.

Outright making a casual conversation and mocking him the whole scene.

The whole point is that Stolas simply wants Blitzo to come save him to "fulfill his fantasies" which was previously showcased in Loo Loo Land, but with Stolas being in a whole different universe he'd actually take action against Agent Venom.
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I'll give you that. Stolas doesn't take the people in his universe seriously, so if he encounters a character who is from a completely different universe, he will know that it is not like the people he looks down on in his own world.
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
Yeah, but even if Stolas keeps his distance between them, Thompson can still dodge Stolas' magic
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Thompson is not "dodging" a glare, that's literally how his petrification works, the only thing he can technically dodge is possession, but that's not happening too, because the last time Stolas possessed someone, he turned invisible before it.
Arbitrarily_User said:
Yeah, but that's not listed in his speed category, so, unfortunately, we can't use that unlisted feat.
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The fact it's listed that he's superior to demons who are bullet-timer is the same argument as him also dodging bullets.
 
Mythic381 said:
Thompson is not "dodging" a glare, that's literally how his petrification works, the only thing he can technically dodge is possession, but that's not happening too, because the last time Stolas possessed someone, he turned invisible before it.
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You're right on that, but I meant him dodging something energy projection, which Stolas has.
Mythic381 said:
The fact it's listed that he's superior to demons who are bullet-timer is the same argument as him also dodging bullets.
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I'm just saying that him dodging bullets from Striker is a better listing than just comparisons without context.
 
Arbitrarily_User said:
You're right on that, but I meant him dodging something energy projection, which Stolas has.
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Context matters here a lot, Stolas' energy projection is a close-range weapon, and he only used it to block an attack that was about to kill Blitzo and to break his chains.
Arbitrarily_User said:
I'm just saying that him dodging bullets from Striker is a better listing than just comparisons without context.
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Sure, could try and get it added later, but he'd scale scale to them anyways.
 

Stolas​

  • Vast magical powers
  • Superior intelligence and experience
- Lacks combat training and Grimoire

Agent Venom​

  • Superior strength, speed, and combat skills
  • Symbiote-enhanced reflexes
  • Access to firearms and symbiote weapon creations
- Weak to heat and sonic-based attacks

Do you agree or do you not?
 
Arbitrarily_User said:

Stolas​

  • Vast magical powers
  • Superior intelligence and experience
- Lacks combat training and Grimoire

Agent Venom​

  • Superior strength, speed, and combat skills
  • Symbiote-enhanced reflexes
  • Access to firearms and symbiote weapon creations
- Weak to heat and sonic-based attacks

Do you agree or do you not?
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None of that will really help him when he cant hurt or kill Stolas due to his regen
 
Knockout isnt exactly possible from Low-Mid onwards due to them being able to regenerate brain damage

Though ngl its genuinely goofy that Hellaverse demons have feats of regenerating from being blown to pieces and torn to shreds and by WoG can regen from anything less than EE or soul destruction yet only have Low-Mid regen.
 
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