Standards for off-site behavior (Staff only)

[Antvasima]

Thanks. It is probably best if we wait a bit for more feedback though.

 

[GyroNutz]

My stance is still the same as before, though "Harassment of users in their immediate surrounding." seems like weird wording to me. This should be followed up with an example, for instance what Sera said.

 

[Greenshifter]

I'll edit it and add an off-site example.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I also need to highlight this, I don't think anybody should be punished for screen shotting evidence from a Discord server. Sure, if they get caught, they do have a right to ban people from their server since it's still their server. But if people do suspect that they're saying some suspicious things or make plots to severely wank or downplay certain verses in combination to spreading gossip and constantly slurring staff, they do have a right to show evidence to the staff members getting insulted so they can evaluate whether or not it is ban worthy offence.

I also still agree with AKM Sama and Antvasima that there's a limit to how leniant we can be with extreme offsite insults.

 

[Greenshifter]

I can agree with that except for the getting insulted, slurring and spreading gossip (unless said gossip directly ties to doxxing) part since that wouldn't be bannable anymore if it did not happen in the immediate surrounding of the person getting insulted so it would only be regarded as something that happened on the side but not the main offense and banning people on-site for not following the rules of a private server would be very weird.

 

[Greenshifter]

I think we should probably add impersonating someone off-site on my list, thoughts?

Edit: added it to my list

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Impersonation is definitely ban worthy. I didn't say slurring, insulting, or spreading gossip offsite is ban worthy by itself unless it's to extreme levels. I meant that people do have a right to screenshot it and privately share it with staff to evaluate.

 

[Greenshifter]

Extreme levels is vague but I agree with the latter.

 

[Agnaa]

I do generally agree that people shouldn't be punished for screenshotting evidence, with the (hopefully obvious) exceptions being if they committed bannable behaviour in those screenshots too (we don't wanna give people immunity if they've done truly awful things), or if they've demonstrably taken things out of context in a malicious member to try to get members banned, although I think we should require a lot of evidence before banning someone for this; I don't think we've encountered anyone who has enough evidence against them to be banned for that.

 

[Antvasima]

Off-site behavior is usually irrelevant except in cases of:

So should we apply this now?

 

[Agnaa]

Hmm. I just realized the impersonation part which gives me slight pause. As a joke in a discord Zark has copied other people's names temporarily, I don't want lighthearted acts like this to go punished.

Perhaps that point should be rephrased to "Maliciously impersonating someone"? If so I think it'd be good to apply.

 

[DarkGrath]

That would probably be better.

I still remember the time I changed my username on the Discord to "Probably Antvasima", so I don't want to feel like I just committed a war crime

 

[Sera_EX]

Impersonating someone with malicious intent (for example, literally impersonating them). It was rather popular to cosplay as Ant on Discord in 2018, but those guys weren't pretending to be the real Ant unlike trolls from other communities who attempted the same like on Reddit or Comicvine. Also it should only be people from the wikia for obvious reasons.

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah it's literally impersonating someone so pretending to be them and saying stuff as if it's the target without joking around. Maliciously impersonating someone sounds good, I'll edit that in.

 

[Antvasima]

I have edited my post as well.

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah that seems good to apply.

 

[Xulrev]

> such as videos, forum posts, Discord chats, etc. that create drama

Late to the party, but: is the term 'drama' defined whatsoever in this context? This seems absurdly arbitrary to apply and can be easily abused

 

[Agnaa]

Sera outlined that here.

 

[Xulrev]

Thanks Agnaa.

Yeah if that gets cited explicitly in the updated rules this seems like a fitting and suitable rule that I've asked to be implemented for near of two years now

 

[Greenshifter]

Bump, should we put a link to Sera's definition of drama or straight up quote it?

 

[Antvasima]

We need a concise summary instead.

Anyway, should I add what I quoted earlier to the Site Rules now?

 

[Greenshifter]

I'm fine with that, I think Agnaa, DarkGrath, Sera, GyroNutz, AKM Sama and DDM agree as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will add it then.

 

[Antvasima]

Done:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Site_Rules&diff=6100653&oldid=5949600

 

[Greenshifter]

All right thanks!

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Do we need a summary of Sera's post as well?

 

[Greenshifter]

I think so, I suggest the following: Creating drama in this context is defined as performing actions that impact the site as a whole and it's structure.