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SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

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It's definitely Vegito.

The main reasoning being they both use the same 2 people (Goku & Vegeta), but the Potara Fusion is stated to be more powerful than the Fusion Technique. Potara Fusion multiplies the power of the two while the Fusion Technique only adds them on top of one another IIRC.

Plus Vegito is supposed to be more akin to Vegeta's personality and Gogeta to Goku's, so in character Vegito would in the end be far less forgiving and more relentless than Gogeta leading to his victory.
 
A hypothetical manga Gogeta or Movie 12 Gogeta? if its manga Gogeta,Vegetto should win even in Base if its Movie 12 id say Vegito still wins,The same reason as what the guy above me said.
 
yeah, Vegito would win in my opinion, plus, the thing with the dance, with that, Goku has to lower his power level to match Vegeta's, since Goku is often the stronger of the 2, while Potara fuses the 2 beings as they are, so technically Gogeta is the fusion of a Weaker Goku with Vegeta, while Vegito is the fusion of a stronger Goku with Vegeta, so to me, that would also give Vegito at least a slight power advantage, maybe enough to overcome Gogeta
 
there is nothing in gogeta's favour to suggest he can win this. at the very least, they on par, at the most Vegito wins rather handily. theres also that potara>fusion dance that's generally alround accepted.

so Vegito Wins
 
Potara is a stronger fusion.

Stronger fusion = Stronger fighter.

However, it depends on what type of Gogeta you're using. If it's the one against Super Janemba, they lose. If it's the one from GT, they stomp, even in SSJ1 Form.
 
Jmanghan said:
Potara is a stronger fusion.
Stronger fusion = Stronger fighter.

However, it depends on what type of Gogeta you're using. If it's the one against Super Janemba, they lose. If it's the one from GT, they stomp, even in SSJ1 Form.
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........how did you Get SSJ1 Gogeta>Vegito, and then Vegito>SSJ4 Gogeta?
 
LordAizenSama said:
Jmanghan said:
Potara is a stronger fusion.
Stronger fusion = Stronger fighter.

However, it depends on what type of Gogeta you're using. If it's the one against Super Janemba, they lose. If it's the one from GT, they stomp, even in SSJ1 Form.
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........how did you Get SSJ1 Gogeta>Vegito, and then Vegito>SSJ4 Gogeta?
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I think you misunderstood my post, when I was referring to "they" in both parts I was talking about Gogeta.
 
It was never actually stated in-canon that Potara Fusion was stronger than Metamoran Fusion, just that it was more practical as it lacked the 30 minute time limit. However, that would still allow Vegito to win.
 
Stalemate. They are essentially the exact same character, merely formed through different methods. Thus, they should logically have the same level of power. The only difference between the two is that Gogeta is on a time limit, while Vegito is not, which normally tips the battle in Vegito's favor, but since Gogeta's time limit is off for this, there's no conclusive way to determine who wins other than Old Kai's vague words about the Potara Earrings creating a "more perfect fusion".
 
Gogeta and vegito are the same person but a different fusion.

Here is an example of how strong they would be and yes I am using Frieza Saga power levels as an example here:

Goku:3,000,000

Vegeta:2,400,000

Vegito:(3,000,000 + 2,400,000)50=270,000,000

Gogeta:(2,400,000x2)50=240,000,000

The slightest gap in power would easily tip on Vegito's favor shown by this example above.

Goku had to power down due to being stronger than Vegeta, but even that difference changes the small gap into a huge one.

The fusion dance is like a mirror of the same person with the exact mindset + the same power. The potara fusion does not have that restriction to have the stronger person to lower their power.

Even if Vegeta and Goku were equal in power in both fusions, Gogeta would still have a disadvantage due to having only 30 minutes.

Winner: Vegito
 
They are literally the same. But of course Gogeta has a time limit, sooooo....
 
No need for time limits and power levels scaling Goku and Vegeta have their powers multiplied when they become Vegito.But you can't say the same for Gogeta based off gotenks.
 
The Everlasting said:
The OP says time limit's disabled.
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Even with no time limit, Vegito is still stronger than Gogeta since this is Buu saga Goku and Vegeta we are talking about. Vegeta is weaker than Goku during that time not including ssj3, Vegeta needed to get a majin boost to be equal to Goku. If we are using Gogeta in movie 12, Goku is slightly stronger than his buu saga self but Vegeta stayed the same as his buu saga self which shows that Gogeta (movie 12) would be equal with a what if Gogeta counter part in Buu saga if it did happen. The only Gogeta that would be able to defeat Vegito(DBZ) is GT Gogeta (complete stomp in that case) or a Vegito in movie 12 which would be slightly stronger than DBZ Vegito due to Goku having a bigger gap from him and Vegeta. Another reason why Gogeta would lose is because he never fought someone as strong as Buuhan which Vegito easily handled even in base form, Goku was slightly above his buu saga self but would still be a fodder to super Buu and he still managed to get some good blows on Super Janemba. This proves that Super Buu (base)>Super Janemba. Vegito fought someone that was a few times stronger than Janemba himself in his base form (Buuhan). This can also prove that base Vegito is equal or above Super Gogeta and Super Vegito would make ssj Gogeta a fodder. I think a better fight would be Buuhan vs Gogeta.
 
we can easily determine SSJ Gogeta's power by powerscaling him from Gotenks since they are both the same fusion.Even SSJ3 Gotenks is nowhere near Base Vegetto so unless you think Goku/Vegeta in Base are stronger than SSJ Goten or Trunks,there is no way Gogeta will be equal to Vegetto.
 
MKJ 6 18 01 said:
we can easily determine SSJ Gogeta's power by powerscaling him from Gotenks since they are both the same fusion.Even SSJ3 Gotenks is nowhere near Base Vegetto so unless you think Goku/Vegeta in Base are stronger than SSJ Goten or Trunks,there is no way Gogeta will be equal to Vegetto.
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agreed, also, in one of the GT Guides, SSJ4 Gogeta is said to be dozens of times stronger then a regular SSJ4, so since 12 is a dozen, 12 x 12 = 144, so we can high-ball the fusion multiplier and assume its 144x from that statement, plus, like Xeno said, fusion fuses to people with the same power level, so lets say 2,400,000 + 2,400,000 x 144 x 50 = 34,560,000,000 for SSJ Gogeta, while Potara fuses the 2 people as they are, so 3,000,000 + 2,400,000 x 144 x 50 = 38,880,000,000 for SSJ Vegito, divide 34,560,000,000 with 38,880,000,000 and you get 0.88 repeating, so SSJ Gogeta is pretty much roughly almost 89% of SSJ Vegito's power, Zarbon (Not Transformed) was like 22,000, while Vegeta was at 24,000, so Zarbon was like 91.6% of Vegeta's power at the time, and Vegeta had a clear advantage over Zarbon until Zarbon transformed, Vegito has an even bigger gap over Gogeta, so Vegito has again, got my vote lol
 
In the best of the scenarios for Gogeta it would be a draw, if you do not give him the time limit, and assume the fusions give the same multiplier, its a draw, in all other scenarios Vegito wins.

BTW anyone saying that any fusion technique only adds should think again, if that was the case Gotenks would be not even Cell level.
 
Viturino said:
In the best of the scenarios for Gogeta it would be a draw, if you do not give him the time limit, and assume the fusions give the same multiplier, its a draw, in all other scenarios Vegito wins.
BTW anyone saying that any fusion technique only adds should think again, if that was the case Gotenks would be not even Cell level.
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Normal form Gotenks isn't Cell level. Base Vegetto is also significantly weaker than most people believe.

He never fights Buuhan to the point of domination in his base form: nothing he does is lasting damage to Buuhan. The only reason people assume Vegetto was winning the match up was because he was outclassing Buuhan in skill and trolling him hardcore. Buuhan gets upset, throws a temper tantrum and screams, and suddenly people think Vegetto is beating Buuhan in raw power.

It's part of Buu's character: in the end, both are confident in themselves. Buuhan isn't impressed when Vegetto sends the energy ball into space because he knows he's still leagues above Vegetto (Super Buu >> Goku and Vegeta, Mystic Gohan >>>>>>>> everyone. So Buuhan stomps Goku/Vegeta combo)

Manga shows the difference well in Vegetto's actions: Vegetto transforms immediately in the manga because it makes sense. Goku + Vegeta can't beat Buuhan, but x50 changes the game. Saiyans are weak in normal forms prior to BoG and godly ki.

On topic though, as it's been stated, Fusion Dance requires matching power levels. So Vegetto has the only advantage in the match up, meaning he wins.
 
"He never fights Buuhan to the point of domination in his base form: nothing he does is lasting damage to Buuhan. The only reason people assume Vegetto was winning the match up was because he was outclassing Buuhan in skill and trolling him hardcore. Buuhan gets upset, throws a temper tantrum and screams, and suddenly people think Vegetto is beating Buuhan in raw power."

Neither was Super Saiyan Vegito doing any lasting damage to Buu up until the very end. You forget that Buu has a ridiculously stubborn regenerative factor that lets him shrug off damage short of practically atomic annihilation. You also seem to forget that Buu did not throw out an attack of greater magnitude than his Destroy Everything! energy ball until he loses his shit in the middle of his fight with Super Vegito and tries to destroy all of existence with his Vice Shout. The fact that he explained his Destroy Everything! energy ball in such great detail should make it clear that the attack was more than simply casual, and yet base Vegito still punted it into space with little effort.
 
It has never been said that Potara Fusion was more powerful. It is more efficient. It has no time limit, a dance is not necessary, it is easier to do do not need to match the ki and can be done with anyone.

As Vegetto showed an antimagic hax (Powerful Candy scene), Gogeta shown to have very powerful hax abilities such as Stardust Breaker.

I think both have the same power. It was never said anything about the multiple of Metamoru fusion (dance), but we know that is powerful enough to turn two children almost without training in a powerful Super Saiyan 3.
 
Remembering that not be equated with the ki during the fusion is not a problem for the warriors, as they can increase and decrease the ki all they want after fused, this is just a part of fusion of ritual. (Another reason for Potara Fusion be more efficient.)


Ps: Sorry for my bad english. :p Google transtale. lol
 
Unclechairman said:
"He never fights Buuhan to the point of domination in his base form: nothing he does is lasting damage to Buuhan. The only reason people assume Vegetto was winning the match up was because he was outclassing Buuhan in skill and trolling him hardcore. Buuhan gets upset, throws a temper tantrum and screams, and suddenly people think Vegetto is beating Buuhan in raw power."Neither was Super Saiyan Vegito doing any lasting damage to Buu up until the very end. You forget that Buu has a ridiculously stubborn regenerative factor that lets him shrug off damage short of practically atomic annihilation. You also seem to forget that Buu did not throw out an attack of greater magnitude than his Destroy Everything! energy ball until he loses his shit in the middle of his fight with Super Vegito and tries to destroy all of existence with his Vice Shout. The fact that he explained his Destroy Everything! energy ball in such great detail should make it clear that the attack was more than simply casual, and yet base Vegito still punted it into space with little effort.
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On the first kick, Super Vegetto drew blood from Buuhan without him playing a fool.

Super Vegetto was fully capable of destroying Buuhan, he proved it in his destruction of his head tentacle. He chose not to, to get absorbed and save his friends. The difference is in the proof: he shows he is within full capability of completely destroying Buuhan as Super Vegetto. But in his normal state, he only outclasses Buuhan in skill and inflicts no damage to Buuhan other than the first energy blast where Buuhan tried to trick him into believing he did real damage to him.

Buuhan was clearly not impressed by Vegetto's redirection: he even states that he knows Vegetto must've been holding back if he was capable of redirecting the energy ball. The dialogue shows that Buuhan knows exactly how much power is needed to redirect the attack, and his demeanor indicates it's not an impressive feat for someone of his level.

But he can't predict a x50 increase, and that's why you see him slowly slipping into rage filled insanity after Vegetto transforms. The difference is the blood drawn in the very first kick, and Super Vegetto destroying the head tentacle.

Base Vegetto is weak: Super Vegetto is the strong one. Manga did it for a reason, and that's because fusion is only powerful because it increases the base for the multipliers. So normal form fusions aren't very powerful, but give way for crazy multipliers because the base is bigger.


TakatoBlue wrote:
Remembering that not be equated with the ki during the fusion is not a problem for the warriors, as they can increase and decrease the ki all they want after fused, this is just a part of fusion of ritual. (Another reason for Potara Fusion be more efficient.)


Also, this theory is debunked by the Old Kai when he warns Goku about fusing as a Super Saiyan. Ki can not be altered after the fusion occurs, meaning that the base they end up with is the one they have to keep as their starting point. Old Kai explains that fusing as SSJs would keep them permanently locked in that state, and the drain would eventually kill them in the process.

So no, they can't increase or decrease their base after fusion. It's like a chemical reaction: the base is an unchangeable combination. It can only be enhanced by SSJ and beyond, not decreased or raised without transforming somehow.
 
If you think Super Vegito destroying Buu's head tentacle was proof that Buuhan was stronger than base Vegito, I'd like to hear your thoughts on base Vegito blowing off half of Buu's body with a single, simple blast. Then again, this happens several times during the fight; after going Super Saiyan, he did a similar technique with one hand which produced similar results.

Buu's words on base Vegito holding back only serve to drive home the point that he was outclassed even before Vegito went Super Saiyan. And if you want to deal in words, Vegito was also quite confident he was absolutely superior even in base.

Base Vegito was superior to Buuhan; Super Vegito was simply even more so.
 
Unclechairman said:
If you think Super Vegito destroying Buu's head tentacle was proof that Buuhan was stronger than base Vegito, I'd like to hear your thoughts on base Vegito blowing off half of Buu's body with a single, simple blast. Then again, this happens several times during the fight; after going Super Saiyan, he did a similar technique with one hand which produced similar results.
Buu's words on base Vegito holding back only serve to drive home the point that he was outclassed even before Vegito went Super Saiyan. And if you want to deal in words, Vegito was also quite confident he was absolutely superior even in base.

Base Vegito was superior to Buuhan; Super Vegito was simply even more so.
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You do realize Buuhan only allowed himself to be damaged that far because he wanted to try and fool Vegetto, right? Vegetto didn't have any of it, so Buuhan just regenerated without a sweat. The damage, the scars, all of it was Buuhan letting it happen to try and pretend like he actually got hurt. Watch the fight again: Vegetto does nothing to hurt Buuhan until the blood being drawn. Buuhan's Regenerationn was failing the harder he had to try: he used no effort in regenerating against Base Vegetto because it was just him pretending.

Umm, what? Buuhan knew the power behind his ball, and he wasn't really impressed at Vegetto redirecting it. You can't really spin that in the opposite way because Vegetto never did try to take Buuhan in either form. His entire plan was to get absorbed to save his friends from the start, so all he was trying to do was make Buuhan mad not test his limits. SSJ3 Goku did the same thing teleporting away multiple times against Fat Buu; Vegetto does it by simply playing the mind games you see him perform on Buuhan.

Point still stands, no lasting damage is ever done to Buuhan in the show when Vegetto is in his normal state and the manga has him transform right away to solve the problem in power. Anime did a good job in showcasing Vegetto's extensive combat skills and pyscological warfare over the raw power of Buuhan, but people continously misinterpret it as Vegetto being stronger in power too.
 
buuhan is not superior to vegito's base. he was already overwhelming inbase form. your point is ridiculous.
 
LordAizenSama said:
buuhan is not superior to vegito's base. he was already overwhelming inbase form. your point is ridiculous.
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Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true.

If you have a legitamite counter argument that is more than just what you want to believe, then let's hear it. Otherwise, don't be disrespectful.
 
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