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Hello, I would like to talk about one part of the Sonic canon that we should ignore, ... Sonic Runners
First of all, I will mention a few things quickly (Ian Flynn), I think they are worth mentioning for a later point about CTR.
In 2023 there are also questions related to Sonic Runners, but none that imply canonicity or decanonicity, so I did not post them (if you want me to do it, it will take a while)
Furthermore, it has become clear to us that the argument that it is the only way to give a reason for the Whisps on Earth does not work.
The information can be present within a game without it necessarily being canonical, or the game can be canon, ignoring clear things in the game (an example would be any classic game with more than 7 chaos emeralds, such as Sonic Fighter, where 8 are shown emeralds, but within the current canon, that is ignored)
On top of this, it can be and is replaced by simply a mention of someone (as you will see above Ian Flynn has also explained the Whisp on the ground, so we can use that as a source in Sonic Runner)
Furthermore, the events directly contradict the previous games
Windy Hill in Spring
(Also, if you want to use that examples to nullify Ian Flynn's word, it is justified, it was not canon/it was ambiguous at the time Ian said that, but when it was confirmed as canon some time later, Ian had to retract his word)
In sumary:
Let's remember that it was said based on a crossover image of PuyoPuyoTetris 2
The phrase is not “everything that is made of sonic is canon”, it was a joke, and if you want to look for a meaning, it would be “Don't worry, what you think is canon is canon”
Also remember that the canon changes constantly, just searching the "Sonic canon" page of the Sonic Wiki Zone, I found out that:
That's all (I think), if I forget something, mention it (and help me with the references)
Even if Runner is considered canon, the events are definitely not, and what the result of this CTR is should be posted on the canon blog.
First of all, I will mention a few things quickly (Ian Flynn), I think they are worth mentioning for a later point about CTR.
- Ian "said" the first canon mobile game of Sonic is Sonic Dream Team (2024)
- They Say that Dream Team is the only mobile game canon again (2024)
- In 2022, Ian straight up said in that Sonic Runner wasn't canon (followed by a jibe from the other person about the fact that "everything was canon in Sonic")
- He says it again (also 2022 [and it seems that the main reason is that there is simply no legal way to play it again])
- Is noted again(also 2022 [In this case the question is about the explanation of why the Whisps are on earth if they take Runners out of the canon])
- And again (2024 [Another explanation of Whisps on Earth])
In 2023 there are also questions related to Sonic Runners, but none that imply canonicity or decanonicity, so I did not post them (if you want me to do it, it will take a while)
Furthermore, it has become clear to us that the argument that it is the only way to give a reason for the Whisps on Earth does not work.
The information can be present within a game without it necessarily being canonical, or the game can be canon, ignoring clear things in the game (an example would be any classic game with more than 7 chaos emeralds, such as Sonic Fighter, where 8 are shown emeralds, but within the current canon, that is ignored)
On top of this, it can be and is replaced by simply a mention of someone (as you will see above Ian Flynn has also explained the Whisp on the ground, so we can use that as a source in Sonic Runner)
Furthermore, the events directly contradict the previous games
Windy Hill in Spring
- Sonic doesn't recognize Merlina (although to be fair, she is chibi)
- Omochao literally has to introduce her
- During the "Birthday on Windy Hill" event, Chip appears, being one of Sonic's friends who was captured in the event (which is impossible, due to the ending of Sonic Unleashed)
- Sonic doesn't recognize Erazor Djinn
- Runner recognizes the events of the book but leaves it aside, something that... makes no sense, no matter which answer you look at it, if “Secret rings” passed, Sonic should recognize it, if “Secret Rings” doesn't pass, he didn't have to be locked up by a " "blue savior"
- Sonic did not react to a Chao calling Tails Ali Baba, , despite knowing it in “Secret Rings” (the one who replaces Tails in "The Secrets Rings")
- Sonic does not recognize the name “King Shahryar”, despite knowing it in “Secret Rings” (the one who replaces Eggman in "The Secrets Rings")
- Sonic is surprised to see that King Shahryar looks like Eggman (something he also does in “Secret Rings”, but he should already know)
- King Shahryar recognizes Sonic as the "blue savior", meaning Runner either doesn't make sense or assumes Sonic has lost his memory but never says so.
(Also, if you want to use that examples to nullify Ian Flynn's word, it is justified, it was not canon/it was ambiguous at the time Ian said that, but when it was confirmed as canon some time later, Ian had to retract his word)
In sumary:
- In itself it is a mobile game, which makes it a background game.
- It does not contribute anything to the franchise, it is never referenced (Runners adventure doesn’t count) and has generally been forgotten, which means that if it has inconsistencies with the franchise, remove it from the canon It's the obvious move, and apparently the one they chose
- It is a canceled game, with no legal way to play
- Ian Flynn has directly said that it is not canon, and that information has not changed in 2 years, unlike other times
- 3 Events are inconsistent with canon
Let's remember that it was said based on a crossover image of PuyoPuyoTetris 2
The phrase is not “everything that is made of sonic is canon”, it was a joke, and if you want to look for a meaning, it would be “Don't worry, what you think is canon is canon”
Also remember that the canon changes constantly, just searching the "Sonic canon" page of the Sonic Wiki Zone, I found out that:
- Sonic Sonic Labyrinth and Sonic Spinball were initially non-canon, but they changed it (not to be confused with Sonic Pinball Party, that isn't canon)
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was changed from the classic era to the modern era- Apparently Sonic Rush now takes place before 2006
(I hate this, I don't know why, but I do it)
I don't know, Sonic's profiles are f##k##g big and a lot of them, and runner is so insignificant
this is what I found
-Some references would have to be changed, but they do not end up affecting the abilities, because it is only used to show more clearly the abilities of the Whisps (Modern era, Item Boxes)
-Altrough, I'm pretty sure Tails & Knuckles don't use the whisps in any other games (I don't know if Team Sonic Racing counts or not), so they maybe lose them (Maybe they use it in the comics, I don't read them yet so I don't know). (Modern era, Item Boxes)
-Loses Blinding
-The mention of his mind control in the intelligence section should go. (For Eggman) (I was wrong, this is from Sonic Colors, so it stays)
-Remove references referring to Runners, abilities continue due to Team Sonic Racing
-Probably lose Whisps references (Again, I don't know if Team Sonic Racing counts), also correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only characters you unlock through the story are Sonic, Tails and Knuckles, so, Is it canon that he uses them at some point even if Runners were to be considered canon?
-Any future attempts to use the appearance of the "Genie of the lamp" at his event for something, or the crossover event with Puyo Puyo for cosmology, etc. automatically become a no.
this is what I found
-Some references would have to be changed, but they do not end up affecting the abilities, because it is only used to show more clearly the abilities of the Whisps (Modern era, Item Boxes)
-Loses Blinding
-Remove references referring to Runners, abilities continue due to Team Sonic Racing
- Everyone else
- General
-Any future attempts to use the appearance of the "Genie of the lamp" at his event for something, or the crossover event with Puyo Puyo for cosmology, etc. automatically become a no.
That's all (I think), if I forget something, mention it (and help me with the references)
Even if Runner is considered canon, the events are definitely not, and what the result of this CTR is should be posted on the canon blog.
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