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[DarkNeon1994]

Both are at their peak, mean using final key

Speed isn't equal

Orphelia: 0

OP Loli: 0

Draw: 0

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Okay. I'll wait for Zero to come in.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Yeah

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Bump

 

[ZeroTC01]

Ok... This is tier 0 vs tier 0, I've never ever done this before, so cut me some slack XD

But I don't see how fights like these are anything other than inconclusive. Tier 0's are essentially absolute beings. Both Orphelia and Illya transcend any paradoxes, concepts, boundaries, all of reality, have immortality (Type 10), True-Godly, etc.

However. If I HAD to vote for someone based off of their abilities, I think Orphelia has an edge here. She negates... pretty much anything she needs to, including immunities, True-Godly regen, immortality, mimicry, weakening, etc and is immune to that being done to her. Additionally, her own immortality is "absolute", which is added onto Type 10, and she can manipulate how abilities in general function.

Power is practically incomparable. By definition, they are impossible to compare, and the best I can do is consider them equal regardless.

But that's speaking about Tier 0 vs Tier 0, which is more prepostrous than 1-A vs 1-A.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

[Zero...may I asking to you...how high is Orphelia's AP...?]

 

[DarkNeon1994]

[Let me tell you....I already above all infinities and size, even "Absolute Infinite"]

[No matter what hierarchy and size should be, they are completely meaningless to me....]

 

[ZeroTC01]

[Let me tell you....I already above all infinities and size, even "Absolute Infinite"]
[No matter what hierarchy and size should be, they are completely meaningless to me....]

So are they to Orphelia. She's above literally anything, including any boundaries or transcendence we could fathom. That's why I think Tier 0 vs Tier 0 should be Inconclusive, and I don't know about hax even mattering at that point. I just mentioned that Orphelia negates this and that and has this and that.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

[I mean....look this one, I already above all large cardinal numbers, even Kunen inconsistency, I was existing in paraconsistent logic system...]

 

[ZeroTC01]

I know, mate. I tried to elaborate how Orphelia transcends anything like that as well... without going on a tangent in the profile, which is long enough as it is.

Logically speaking, I think this is inconclusive. If hax even matter at this point, I think Orphelia has the edge.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

[But...I don't see anything it named "large cardinal" either in Orphelia's reason, Orphelia does not existing in paraconsistent system...]

 

[ZeroTC01]

[But...I don't see anything it named "large cardinal" either in Orphelia's reason, Orphelia does not existing in paraconsistent system...]

I know it's not there. What matters is my intent, here. I tried to make it clear that there is absolutely nothing bounding Orphelia. Nothing existant can - nothing hypothetical can.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

[I mean...you just scaling to bunch other 1-As, you still have limitations, I already beyond all normal logics]

 

[ZeroTC01]

[I mean...you just scaling to bunch other 1-As, you still have limitations, I already beyond all normal logics]

Now you're just going against my intentions with the profile... and what I literally just said.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Huh?

 

[ZeroTC01]

I'm telling you she's unbounded by absolutely anything that exists or is hypothetical. Just because she scales off of her 1-A self, doesn't mean that her transcendence to absolutely anything is any less valid or... transcendent.

and this is why I say 1-A vs 1-A and above is a bad idea

 

[Christian_Higdon]

This wasn't a good idea, was it?

 

[DarkNeon1994]

That mean, Orphelia is beyond anything, including any statements?

 

[ZeroTC01]

That mean, Orphelia is beyond anything, including any statements?

Hypothetically, yes.

But when two beings who are beyond absolutely anything, existant or not, it's just a paradox regardless of what each side does, has or says.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

including all of truth values?

 

[ZeroTC01]

including all of truth values?

Yes.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

If Orphelia is beyond anything, including any statements, even all truth values, why Orphelia have personality?

 

[ZeroTC01]

If Orphelia is beyond anything, including any statements, even all truth values, why Orphelia have personality?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Omnipotent being doesn't care personality

 

[ZeroTC01]

Omnipotent being doesn't care personality

Ok. I don't see how that changes anything... Besides, there's no correlation in behaviour between her Absolute state and any of her other ones. She hardly tries to interact or involve herself with anything, really. She only has that one statement where she refers to reality as miniscule and unable to go by unnoticed by her.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

This thread wasn't a good idea, was it now?

 

[ZeroTC01]

This thread wasn't a good idea, was it now?

That's what I've been saying since Auk vs Orphelia.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Should this be closed?

 

[ZeroTC01]

Should this be closed?

I think Dark's opinion is important. It's down to him.

 

[Alexcar3000]

Orphelia is like A/3 at best tbh, so I don't think it's fair.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Zero's reason make Orphelia look like A/1 though

 

[ZeroTC01]

Zero's reason make Orphelia look like A/1 though

I just didn't explain it properly, I suppose.

 

[Alexcar3000]

The problem with the high tiers is that a single word is enough to downgrade you by a whole lot, i.e.: saying something to be fictional could whoop you back to B/1.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Yeah

 

[ZeroTC01]

The problem with the high tiers is that a single word is enough to downgrade you by a whole lot, i.e.: saying something to be fictional could whoop you back to B/1.

Exactly. I guess if there's one thing to come outta this is that I need to tweak the explanations.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

True Illya is at A/2 best, Orphelia is like between B/1 to A/3, A/1 if pushed too far

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Should I close this?

 

[Alexcar3000]

Yeah. It's honestly pretty hard to conserve anything about the character you had in mind once you reach those levels.

 

[DarkNeon1994]

Yeah, close this, chris