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My apologies if this has been done before, I couldn't find anything like it in the TES discussions,
So, the kinda surprisingly high rating for TES had me research some of the lore in question. Here's a list of things I found pertinent:
First there's this again:
"The sea of limitless dimensions contains an endless series of islands"
From: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Rulantaril's_Notes
I've seen this one on here before and it was agreed that dimensions here meant universe, I agree that could be the case however keep in mind that this sentence makes a clear distinction between "dimensions" and "islands", both are described as infinite and they are clearly referring to different things so it is possible that dimensions here is spatial dimensions.
Daedra are "hyperagonal": this is a made-up word that seems to imply higher dimensions in the context of its use. I believe the word is used in multiple pieces of lore but the most prominent is the one below:
"Transliminal passage of quickened objects or entities without the persistent agency of hyperagonal media is not possible, and even if possible, would result in instantaneous retromission of the transported referents. Only a transpontine circumpenetration of the limen will result in transits of greater than infinitesimal duration.
Though other hyperagonal media may exist in theory, the only known transliminal artifact capable of sustained transpontine circumpenetration is the sigil stone. A sigil stone is a specimen of pre-Mythic quasi-crystalline morpholith that has been transformed into an extra-dimensional artifact through the arcane inscription of a daedric sigil. Though some common morpholiths like soul gems may be found in nature, the exotic morpholiths used to make sigil stones occur only in pocket voids of Oblivio, and cannot be prospected or harvested without daedric assistance.
Therefore, since both the morpholiths and the daedric sigils required for hyperagonal media cannot be obtained without traffic and commerce with Daedra Lords, it is necessary that a transliminal mechanic cultivate a working knowledge of conjuratio -- though purpose-built enchantments may be substituted if the mechanic has sufficient invocatory skill. Traffic and commerce with Daedra Lords is an esoteric but well-established practice, and lies outside the compass of this treatise."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Liminal_Bridges
Though it is important to note this maybe speculation.
Now to a pretty solid source imo:
The Call of Valor shout in Skyrim has this description. Mind you this isn't the words of some in-game character, it's pretty much WOG I think:
The valiant of Sovngarde hear your Voice, and journey beyond space and time to lend aid.
I can't say for sure what this means. Though it could be taken as Aetherius (where Sovngarde probably is) may be beyond time and space.
Now comes a less than reliable source, but it seems to be backed up by other lore so I added it.
"Grabbers from the Adjacent Place came into the world sideways, the slave talking having disrupted the normal non-cardinal points."
From: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_26
Time on Mundus seems to have 2 or 3 dimensions (maybe be the wrong word for it):
"You look to your left, you see one way. You look to your right, you see another. But neither is any harder than the opposite. But the Elder Scrolls... they look left and right in the stream of time. The future and past are as one: Sometimes they even look up. What do they see then? What if they dive in? Then the madness begins."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Septimus_Signus
This comes from Septimus (Skyrim), he talks strange but keep in mind he was the champion of the Daedric Prince of Knowledge.
Mundus has parallel universe/ realities and their manipulation makes up an entire school of magic:
"Azra attempted to manipulate his own shadow to such an extent that he would meld all possible versions of himself, crossing over from a singular existence to all the existences in shadow."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shadow_Magic
I also found this quoted a few times on r/teslore but I could never find a source for it, any help?
"A single Wheel? More like a Telescope that stretches all the way back to the Eye of the Anui-El, with Padomaics innumerable along its infinite walls."
More mention of strange movements:
"As Satakal ate itself over and over, the strongest spirits learned to bypass the cycle by moving at strange angles"
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/monomyth-yokudan-satakal-worldski
Mundus itself is described as a multiverse here:
"Unbeknownst to all but a few, Nirn has come unmoored from the fabric of the multiverse, as the mortal realm is drawn ever closer to Coldharbour"
http://tamrielfoundry.com/2012/08/lore-introduction/
One parallel version of Nirn is Lyg, you can only enter it by moving sideways in a non-cardinel direction.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lyg
This mentions Oblivion embodies infinite possibilities (again not sure what this means)
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/e...ers-archive-ranks-and-hierarchy-of-the-daedra
I think we can conclude with some certainty that Sithis exists above 5D space at least, probably more. The lower Gods probably do as well. The reason being that "space" in TES is probably a part of Lorkhan like time is a part of Aka (the time dragon over-soul) and since the other Et Ada (Daedra, aedra and Magna Ge) are not confined by time they probably also not confined by Aka's opposite Lorkhan (space).
I don't think anything needs to change tiering wise as this information is all very vague. Perhaps change the Gods 2-A rating to: At least 2-A likely higher?
Assuming ofc I am not completely mistaken here.
I still think CHIM is wanked out of proportion. It's mentioned like twice in-game and we have no clue what it is.
So, the kinda surprisingly high rating for TES had me research some of the lore in question. Here's a list of things I found pertinent:
First there's this again:
"The sea of limitless dimensions contains an endless series of islands"
From: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Rulantaril's_Notes
I've seen this one on here before and it was agreed that dimensions here meant universe, I agree that could be the case however keep in mind that this sentence makes a clear distinction between "dimensions" and "islands", both are described as infinite and they are clearly referring to different things so it is possible that dimensions here is spatial dimensions.
Daedra are "hyperagonal": this is a made-up word that seems to imply higher dimensions in the context of its use. I believe the word is used in multiple pieces of lore but the most prominent is the one below:
"Transliminal passage of quickened objects or entities without the persistent agency of hyperagonal media is not possible, and even if possible, would result in instantaneous retromission of the transported referents. Only a transpontine circumpenetration of the limen will result in transits of greater than infinitesimal duration.
Though other hyperagonal media may exist in theory, the only known transliminal artifact capable of sustained transpontine circumpenetration is the sigil stone. A sigil stone is a specimen of pre-Mythic quasi-crystalline morpholith that has been transformed into an extra-dimensional artifact through the arcane inscription of a daedric sigil. Though some common morpholiths like soul gems may be found in nature, the exotic morpholiths used to make sigil stones occur only in pocket voids of Oblivio, and cannot be prospected or harvested without daedric assistance.
Therefore, since both the morpholiths and the daedric sigils required for hyperagonal media cannot be obtained without traffic and commerce with Daedra Lords, it is necessary that a transliminal mechanic cultivate a working knowledge of conjuratio -- though purpose-built enchantments may be substituted if the mechanic has sufficient invocatory skill. Traffic and commerce with Daedra Lords is an esoteric but well-established practice, and lies outside the compass of this treatise."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Liminal_Bridges
Though it is important to note this maybe speculation.
Now to a pretty solid source imo:
The Call of Valor shout in Skyrim has this description. Mind you this isn't the words of some in-game character, it's pretty much WOG I think:
The valiant of Sovngarde hear your Voice, and journey beyond space and time to lend aid.
I can't say for sure what this means. Though it could be taken as Aetherius (where Sovngarde probably is) may be beyond time and space.
Now comes a less than reliable source, but it seems to be backed up by other lore so I added it.
"Grabbers from the Adjacent Place came into the world sideways, the slave talking having disrupted the normal non-cardinal points."
From: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_26
Time on Mundus seems to have 2 or 3 dimensions (maybe be the wrong word for it):
"You look to your left, you see one way. You look to your right, you see another. But neither is any harder than the opposite. But the Elder Scrolls... they look left and right in the stream of time. The future and past are as one: Sometimes they even look up. What do they see then? What if they dive in? Then the madness begins."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Septimus_Signus
This comes from Septimus (Skyrim), he talks strange but keep in mind he was the champion of the Daedric Prince of Knowledge.
Mundus has parallel universe/ realities and their manipulation makes up an entire school of magic:
"Azra attempted to manipulate his own shadow to such an extent that he would meld all possible versions of himself, crossing over from a singular existence to all the existences in shadow."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shadow_Magic
I also found this quoted a few times on r/teslore but I could never find a source for it, any help?
"A single Wheel? More like a Telescope that stretches all the way back to the Eye of the Anui-El, with Padomaics innumerable along its infinite walls."
More mention of strange movements:
"As Satakal ate itself over and over, the strongest spirits learned to bypass the cycle by moving at strange angles"
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/monomyth-yokudan-satakal-worldski
Mundus itself is described as a multiverse here:
"Unbeknownst to all but a few, Nirn has come unmoored from the fabric of the multiverse, as the mortal realm is drawn ever closer to Coldharbour"
http://tamrielfoundry.com/2012/08/lore-introduction/
One parallel version of Nirn is Lyg, you can only enter it by moving sideways in a non-cardinel direction.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lyg
This mentions Oblivion embodies infinite possibilities (again not sure what this means)
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/e...ers-archive-ranks-and-hierarchy-of-the-daedra
I think we can conclude with some certainty that Sithis exists above 5D space at least, probably more. The lower Gods probably do as well. The reason being that "space" in TES is probably a part of Lorkhan like time is a part of Aka (the time dragon over-soul) and since the other Et Ada (Daedra, aedra and Magna Ge) are not confined by time they probably also not confined by Aka's opposite Lorkhan (space).
I don't think anything needs to change tiering wise as this information is all very vague. Perhaps change the Gods 2-A rating to: At least 2-A likely higher?
Assuming ofc I am not completely mistaken here.
I still think CHIM is wanked out of proportion. It's mentioned like twice in-game and we have no clue what it is.
