Skull on the Moon (Taskmaster vs Moon Knight)

[MrKerf]

Last one was removed due to their upgrade from 9-B, so let's go at it again. But a bit fairer.

Both are High 8-C (Tony with his standard equipment and Marc restricted to High 8-C in equipment and magic)

Battle starts in New-York, next to the Bar with No Name.

Taskmaster is bloodlusted.

Speed is equal.

"When you see me coming? Run.": 4 (Tomfer, XSOULOFCINDERX, Johner2133451, SomaKing13)

"I'm the #$%$ Taskmaster.": 1 (MrKerf)

Inconclusive:

 

[Tomfer]

and Khonshu)

You can't cut Khonshu out the match, lmao. He's the FIST OF KHONSHU, it's like making a Spider-man match but he got no spider-sense. Even in runs where Khonshu doesn't empower him at all, he still helps in other ways.

 

[MrKerf]

You can't cut Khonshu out the match, lmao. He's the FIST OF KHONSHU, it's like making a Spider-man match but he got no spider-sense. Even in runs where Khonshu doesn't empower him at all, he still helps in other ways.

Really? According to Vs Thread rules: "An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using." I think it qualifies. I mean, at least it shouldn't exceed his current tier, since it varies I guess?

 

[Tomfer]

Really? According to Vs Thread rules: "An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using." I think it qualifies. I mean, at least it shouldn't exceed his current tier, since it varies I guess?

What are you on about? You're talking about his tier 1-A or his abilities? If you're talking just about the tier, then you can restrict that, but if you're talking about Khonshu's abilities, then you cannot.

 

[MrKerf]

What are you on about? You're talking about his tier 1-A or his abilities? If you're talking just about the tier, then you can restrict that, but if you're talking about Khonshu's abilities, then you cannot.

Oh yeah, that's what I meant, yes. I'll specify it further I guess. Tier restrict only. Sorry for confusion.

 

[Tomfer]

Taskmaster being blood-lusted changes the game for sure. In a direct fight, Taskmaster would have the advantage due to the obvious skill difference, however, I don't believe to be as big as people might think at first. Both are masters of every martial arts and every weapon mankind ever created, both have marksmanship feats that defy the laws of physics (that I argue to be on the same level), both have good pressure points feats, etc. Tony's obvious difference is the famous AD and Prediction, both MK cannot compete against.

Still, a single chance is enough for MK to completely destroy Task with the enormous LS difference and AP, even if Task's equipments have H8-C durability, MK can just yeet those away, and the equipment won't defend the entire body at once. It doesn't help that Moon Knight's fighting style is basically his weakness, Task doesn't like to copy it, and he can frequentely change his fighting style to disrupt his predictions, just like how Cap did with him. Not to mention that any damage Taskmaster does, MK will simply shrugh it off because of his BS stamina, with him being unfazed by getting shot and stabbed, getting stabbed by a big sword and still kept fighting. The only thing Task could do would be trying to use pressure points on him, which is something he actually can recover pretty fast because of bs stamina, with a weakened and mentally busy MK recovering extremely fast after getting his nervous system attacked and being able to turn the fight around (that is if we're assuming that Taskmaster's fingers are able to even faze MK's armor and body... because physical AP gap).

MK also fought against opponents that can predict the future, like the Shroud, someone that can also predict movements, has what is pratically a better version of Peter's spider-sense, and he perceives the world in a similar way of DD. Obviously a supernatural form of precog is not the same as analytical prediction, but it's still worth to mention it that MK has experience in that regard.

Funny enough, I think MK has better stealth too. MK constantly pulls a Batman move and vanishes right in front of people, like when he was getting recorded and left. Vanished right in front of a cop, can sneak around the Shadowlands Daredevil, who's normal DD but with steroids, and Werewolf by Night, with him only noticing because of the shift in the wind and not because of his enhanced senses (just look at his profile). MK can also just vanish and stealth check Taskmaster with a good tackle, gg.

 

[MrKerf]

For the sake of the argument, I'll argue for Tony's sake.

I'd say Taskmaster's skill is significantly above MK's. Tony is directly compared to Hawkeye and Bullseye, after all, in terms of marksmanship. Not only that, but his skill grows with every strike and swing, which is a neat bonus.

There's a weird misconception, I think. Tony doesn't like to copy MK's style. Doesn't mean he can't copy or analyse it. In fact, he already beat someone who prior was employing a similar technique of being hard to fight against. Not only that, to my knowledge, MK never deduced this apparent weakness of Tony's style. Cap did due to his past encounters (and I'd say he is a much smarter and skilled fighter), and Deadpool did by being himself. While MK could employ such a tactic, I doubt he'd use it from the get-go, if ever.

Stamina is obviously MK's biggest factor, he simply doesn't stop. However, since they already fought before, Taskmaster already knows it and can act accordingly, keeping his distance and what not. Besides, it's hard to call it an extreme edge, since it doesn't directly help him to land blows.

Lol, I hope this fight doesn't come down to stealth, of all things.

Of Tony's wild cards, he can as a last ditch effort increase his speed to twice as fast. His weapons, like his baton and sword, can knock out Spidey, so they have to be at least somewhat effective.

 

[Tomfer]

I'd say Taskmaster's skill is significantly above MK's. Tony is directly compared to Hawkeye and Bullseye, after all, in terms of marksmanship.

I disagree, MK has also shown to have a comparable marksmanship. The only reason they are still above MK in that regard is the amount of feats, not the quality of them.

Tony doesn't like to copy MK's style. Doesn't mean he can't copy or analyse it.

That's the thing, I already said that he doesn't like to do it. And if he does... that's pretty ******* stupid on his end, there's quite literally zero reasons for him to copy something inferior than his own.

Not only that, to my knowledge, MK never deduced this apparent weakness of Tony's style.

They both have history together, they know each other. And even if MK didn't know that, he could easily find that out by just looking at him. Just look at his intel section, MK's actually pretty intelligent and can deduce a lot of things by just looking.

While MK could employ such a tactic, I doubt he'd use it from the get-go, if ever.

You can argue to get-go, but if ever? That's pretty silly, especially against someone MK knows and knows he's better.

Besides, it's hard to call it an extreme edge, since it doesn't directly help him to land blows.

Disagree on an extreme level since, while it doesn't help him directly to hit blows. It helps him completely negate Taskmaster's firsts attacks, and push himself to overcome Taskmaster and force a free hit that, alongside his enormous LS advantage, it will enough to rip and tear Tony.

Taskmaster already knows it and can act accordingly, keeping his distance and what not.

Lol, I hope this fight doesn't come down to stealth, of all things.

If Tony decides to do what you said, then stealth will come into question. MK won't keep running at Taskmaster while he kites him with acrobatics and range. MK is not stupid.

Of Tony's wild cards, he can as a last ditch effort increase his speed to twice as fast.

MK can also do that but better, he can just manipulate the moon or ask Khonshu to increase his strength. And unlike Tony, it doesn't have any drawbacks.

His weapons, like his baton and sword, can knock out Spidey, so they have to be at least somewhat effective.

They both scale to the same value, so that's nothing. Unless you're asking to upscale Taskmaster's weaponry, which requires a crt.

 

[MrKerf]

Our fundamental disagreements seems to lie in preferences, like skill and intelligence, so I’ll just add your vote and wait for others.

 

[MrKerf]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Moon Knight kicks his ass FRA.

 

[SharkBook01]

When they fought Taskmaster actually had the advantage before he kinda just gives up because he's scared of Moon Knight. Moon Knight even has an internal monologue about how Task is better than him. He had his sword up 2 inches away from Marc's face so if he didn't have Moonknightphobia, he could've just stabbed him here. Bloodlusted Taskmaster might be able to get it done.

 

[Johner2133451]

Taskmaster seems solid, not sure if bloodlust can counter his own fears tho

 

[Tomfer]

When they fought Taskmaster actually had the advantage before he kinda just gives up because he's scared of Moon Knight. Moon Knight even has an internal monologue about how Task is better than him.

This is a nothing burger.

He had his sword up 2 inches away from Marc's face so if he didn't have Moonknightphobia, he could've just stabbed him here. Bloodlusted Taskmaster might be able to get it done.

You're talking like that's going to happen. Unlike in this situation, MK wanted to send Taskmaster a message to not mess with him, that even if he had two broken legs, was a drug addicted during that time, MK would still hunt him down no matter what. That's not what's happening here.

not sure if bloodlust can counter his own fears tho

Actually, that's me too. Being bloodlust doesn't equal to not being scared or negating your own weakness. Taskmaster being a coward is actually a big weakness of his.

 

[Johner2133451]

I may have to vote for moon knight here then

 

[Tomfer]

I may have to vote for moon knight here then

I mean, obviously it wouldn't be an automatic win. Taskmaster would still fight, the thing is, MK has a good SI that borderlines fear manipulation. Hm, thinking about it, MK's SI would help his case against Taskmaster's marksmanship.

 

[SharkBook01]

This is a nothing burger.

I mean he lands two hit's on him with a crossbow after Moon Knight hits him with a goddamn air plane and then has his sword at his throat. Moon Knight legit monologed about how he believes that Taskmaster is probably a better fighter than him, but he can endure more hits.

You're talking like that's going to happen. Unlike in this situation

I mean, Taskmaster is quantifiably much more skilled than Moon Knight, has precog, analytical prediction, and canonically thinks Moon Knight is easy to hit. If Taskmaster wasn't like deathly afraid of Marc he stands a very good chance of landing a lethal strike on him.

Taskmaster seems solid, not sure if bloodlust can counter his own fears tho

If being bloodlust doesn't make Taskmaster not afraid of Moon Knight then yeah he probably wins low diff.

 

[Tomfer]

I mean he lands two hit's on him with a crossbow after Moon Knight hits him with a goddamn air plane and then has his sword at his throat. Moon Knight legit monologed about how he believes that Taskmaster is probably a better fighter than him, but he can endure more hits.

canonically thinks Moon Knight is easy to hit.

My brother is Christ, all of these scans, and the fight itself, come from a time where Moon Knight was powerless, his legs were broken, was a drug addicted and was constantly being harassed by Khonshu in his mind. Of course he's going to get hit with a crossbow, of course he's easy to hit. You do realize that MK's was getting hit on purporse to make Taskmaster scared of him, right? That was the entire point of their "fight."

I mean, Taskmaster is quantifiably much more skilled than Moon Knight

I already said that. I argued that the difference is skill isn't a big as people might think, that's all.

If Taskmaster wasn't like deathly afraid of Marc he stands a very good chance of landing a lethal strike on him.

Like I said before, MK has endured multiple lethal wounds before, just look at my scans, his stamina section or any fight. Bro even has low-mid immortality type 2 at this point. Taskmaster would require constant strikes, not one or two.

And I'd like to state that MK's SI is still pretty useful, even if Tony isn't as scared. It actually nerfs someone's aim, just go read.

 

[SharkBook01]

My brother is Christ, all of these scans, and the fight itself, come from a time where Moon Knight was powerless, his legs were broken, was a drug addicted and was constantly being harassed by Khonshu in his mind. Of course he's going to get hit with a crossbow, of course he's easy to hit. You do realize that MK's was getting hit on purpose to make Taskmaster scared of him, right? That was the entire point of their "fight."

His being injured doesn't make him admitting Taskmaster is better than him invalid. Taskmaster also got like hit by a plane so he's also pretty ****** up here.

MK has endured multiple lethal wounds before, just look at my scans, his stamina section or any fight. Bro even has low-mid immortality type 2 at this point. Taskmaster would require constant strikes, not one or two.

Depends on where he hits him. If he got like sliced in the head, he'd just die which I think Taskmaster could pull off since he outskills by a loy.

There's no point in continuing this though, because I was arguing with premise that him being bloodlusted cancels out him being scared of MK, but that doesn't seem to be how it works so he probably loses.

 

[MrKerf]

"Bloodlusted characters fear nothing"

Not that it matters. SI of MK makes thugs miss shots, but Tony is no mere thug. And obviously he fears him, but he will still fight.

 

[Tomfer]

His being injured doesn't make him admitting Taskmaster is better than him invalid.

Are you like, ignoring my comments or something? I already said that Taskmaster is better than MK, multiple times even. My argument was to say that the difference isn't enough to be a skillstomp. Even so, I'd take that statement very carefully since MK has envolved since then and, during this entire saga, was at his lowest. Being above Moon Knight at his weakest isn't as big as you make it seem.

Taskmaster also got like hit by a plane so he's also pretty ****** up here.

You do know that Taskmaster noticed the plane way before it hit the tower, right? The only victims were the people that hired him to kill Moon Knight. The only argument here would be the debri that landed on him, which wouldn't do any damage to a borderline 9-A guy.

Depends on where he hits him. If he got like sliced in the head, he'd just die which I think Taskmaster could pull off since he outskills by a loy.

His mere presence makes criminals missfire their shots and even pushes them to commit suicide. MK's borderline fear manipulation, plus Taskmaster's own cowardice (that is in his weakness section), would give him an advantage if Taskmaster tried to aim at him. I agree with you that Taskmaster could pull this off, but not against MK. If he tries to do at close range, it would even worse, it would just give him the opportunity to tear him apart, even if he landed a strike.

There's no point in continuing this though, because I was arguing with premise that him being bloodlusted cancels out him being scared of MK, but that doesn't seem to be how it works so he probably loses.

The fight would still happen, but Taskmaster's emotion state would remain unchanged. It's like he's being forced to fight no matter what.

 

[Johner2133451]

Voting for MK here

 

[SomaKing13]

This looks like it's basically gonna go the way of their canon fight, Moonknight FRA

 

[MrKerf]

On the phone, but I am keeping your votes in mind.

 

[MrKerf]

While I am here, I would like to raise a certain point. Recently Tony fought Hyperion. He had preparation, analysis, etc. Not the point. He was very much scared and thought he was going to die. In fact, by the end of their fight, he had fractured bones, his thoughts were foggy. And even at his lowest, he still didn’t miss. In fact, even in such state he still had only one arrow that could weaken Hyperion and could still analyse when to shoot it for him not to laser it away or catch.

Again, by wiki itself - bloodlust makes you fearless. But even if not, I don’t think mere fear would affect Tony’s capabilities.

 

[Tomfer]

While I am here, I would like to raise a certain point. Recently Tony fought Hyperion. He had preparation, analysis, etc. Not the point. He was very much scared and thought he was going to die. In fact, by the end of their fight, he had fractured bones, his thoughts were foggy. And even at his lowest, he still didn’t miss. In fact, even in such state he still had only one arrow that could weaken Hyperion and could still analyse when to shoot it for him not to laser it away or catch.

Again, by wiki itself - bloodlust makes you fearless. But even if not, I don’t think mere fear would affect Tony’s capabilities.

Cool, except Hyperion doesn't share the same in-depth story that he has with Moon Knight. It's a big difference of fear, with Hyperion, he's scared of fighting someone who's far stronger than him, which isn't really that big when he himself states he's willing to throw a few jabs against people superior than him (being Cap, Spidey, DD, etc).

Taskmaster's fear of Moon Knight is fighting someone who's willing to do whatever it takes to win. Taskmaster knows that, in a fight, he's better. It's two completely different levels of fear.

But even if not, I don’t think mere fear would affect Tony’s capabilities.

I don't think you really know the relationship between these characters then, lmao.

 

[MrKerf]

Cool, except Hyperion doesn't share the same in-depth story that he has with Moon Knight. It's a big difference of fear, with Hyperion, he's scared of fighting someone who's far stronger than him, which isn't really that big when he himself states he's willing to throw a few jabs against people superior than him (being Cap, Spidey, DD, etc).

Taskmaster's fear of Moon Knight is fighting someone who's willing to do whatever it takes to win. Taskmaster knows that, in a fight, he's better. It's two completely different levels of fear.

I was moreso highlighting the fact that it doesn't matter, as his fear doesn't hinder his capabilities, which was shown even in their comic confrontation (until Tony lost will to fight of course, but he was landing his arrows alright).

I don't think you really know the relationship between these characters then, lmao.

Yeah, sure, I don't.

Anyways, I'm gonna stick to the fact that fear is non-factor here.

 

[MrKerf]

Bump.

 

[Tomfer]

So everyone agrees that Taskmaster's wincon here would be his better skills + at longe range, right?

Well, MK can not only stealth his way out of his view:

Funny enough, I think MK has better stealth too. MK constantly pulls a Batman move and vanishes right in front of people, like when he was getting recorded and left. Vanished right in front of a cop, can sneak around the Shadowlands Daredevil, who's normal DD but with steroids, and Werewolf by Night, with him only noticing because of the shift in the wind and not because of his enhanced senses (just look at his profile). MK can also just vanish and stealth check Taskmaster with a good tackle, gg.

But he can also just amp himself further, such amp made him able to beat Iron Fist, someone far more skilled than Taskmaster. Not only that, MK can also summon undead/other firsts of Khonshu, giving far more targets for Taskmaster to worry about it/overwhelm him. It's NOT his first move, that's for sure, but that's something MK has done before, but I believe that a bloodlust Taskmaster would force him to use Khonshu's abilities in his favor, just like how Hunter's Moon uses.

So Taskmaster needs to keep running away, need to hit a clean hitkill, otherwise MK can just tank it while MK can amp himself (in both strength and speed), can vanish from view with stealth, can (eventually) overwhelm with summon, can chase Taskmaster with drones, etc.

Honestly, I need to rework MK's equipment tab...

 

[MrKerf]

So everyone agrees that Taskmaster's wincon here would be his better skills + at longe range, right?

Aye, probably that and some of his more potent equipment (like trick arrows or sword with shockwaves that knock Spider-Men out).

Well, MK can not only stealth his way out of his view:

I’ll give you that, although I am fairly sure he can anticipate the moment in which MK will attack and counter appropriately, even without seeing him.

But he can also just amp himself further, such amp made him able to beat Iron Fist, someone far more skilled than Taskmaster.

I don’t think we have Lin Lie’s profile, but I don’t think he has the same level of analytical prediction that Tony has. And he could read and anticipate moves of Hyperion, who even while holding back far outclasses amped MK in speed.

Not only that, MK can also summon undead/other firsts of Khonshu, giving far more targets for Taskmaster to worry about it/overwhelm him. It's NOT his first move, that's for sure, but that's something MK has done before, but I believe that a bloodlust Taskmaster would force him to use Khonshu's abilities in his favor, just like how Hunter's Moon uses.

If the fight lasts this long, sure, I can see that overwhelming him.

So Taskmaster needs to keep running away, need to hit a clean hitkill, otherwise MK can just tank it while MK can amp himself (in both strength and speed), can vanish from view with stealth, can (eventually) overwhelm with summon, can chase Taskmaster with drones, etc.

Yeah, but if it boils down to whether he can hit a clean hitkill first, I’d bet on Tony still. At least when he is bloodlusted.

Honestly, I need to rework MK's equipment tab...

Funnily enough, I too found some stuff worth making CRT about while glancing through recent Deadpool series. But I’ll wait after this match.

 

[Tomfer]

I’ll give you that, although I am fairly sure he can anticipate the moment in which MK will attack and counter appropriately, even without seeing him.

While I can see what you mean, that feat alone isn't even close to be enough. Tony already knew that Iron Man was there, so it's not the same.

I don’t think we have Lin Lie’s profile

That's not Lin Lie.

but I don’t think he has the same level of analytical prediction that Tony has.

So? Danny is still far more skilled in everything else. In a straight up fight, no matter how Tony could predict Danny, he'd still get stomped hard.

And he could read and anticipate moves of Hyperion, who even while holding back far outclasses amped MK in speed.

That's an outlier, unless you think Tony could predict everything at ftl+, which isn't the case, otherwise he'd stomp everyone in the verse, and no one could ever defeat him, which isn't the case, it's the exact opposite even with Cap defeating Tony by exploring his predictions, overwehelming him, lmao.

Yeah, but if it boils down to whether he can hit a clean hitkill first, I’d bet on Tony still. At least when he is bloodlusted.

Yeah, Tony has a chance to instakill, but there's far more going against him.

 

[MrKerf]

While I can see what you mean, that feat alone isn't even close to be enough. Tony already knew that Iron Man was there, so it's not the same.

I faintly remember him fighting someone trying to ambush him, but I am on the phone, so I’ll get back to you on that one. But you clearly understand what I am saying, right? Even when MK threw his moon thingy at his back way before, Tony caught it without looking. Granted, MK was weakened, etc, etc, but still. In the recent comics it was even stated how strategic Tony is about fighting. He wouldn’t just stand there, waiting for a stealth attack.

That's not Lin Lie.

My bad.

So? Danny is still far more skilled in everything else. In a straight up fight, no matter how Tony could predict Danny, he'd still get stomped hard.

But Danny is more skilled than Tony. Here Tony is more skilled than MK. Danny was overwhelmed with stats, but Tony can anticipate his moves, despite his speed. I think he can dodge out of the way in time.

That's an outlier, unless you think Tony could predict everything at ftl+, which isn't the case, otherwise he'd stomp everyone in the verse, and no one could ever defeat him, which isn't the case, it's the exact opposite even with Cap defeating Tony by exploring his predictions, overwehelming him, lmao.

Well, it isn’t an outlier because both Hyperion having zero skill and Tony reviewing footage of Hyperion fighting prior to their battle. He obviously can’t react at ftl+, he just knows how his opponents will move.

 

[Tomfer]

I faintly remember him fighting someone trying to ambush him, but I am on the phone, so I’ll get back to you on that one. But you clearly understand what I am saying, right? Even when MK threw his moon thingy at his back way before, Tony caught it without looking. Granted, MK was weakened, etc, etc, but still. In the recent comics it was even stated how strategic Tony is about fighting. He wouldn’t just stand there, waiting for a stealth attack.

Just show that those guys have better stealth than MK, and I'll agree with you.

But Danny is more skilled than Tony. Here Tony is more skilled than MK. Danny was overwhelmed with stats, but Tony can anticipate his moves, despite his speed. I think he can dodge out of the way in time.

A few times, but not all of the time. And the sudden amp will get MK the chance to grab Tony and rip him apart with LS. Like I said before, MK only needs a single chance and that's it.

Well, it isn’t an outlier because both Hyperion having zero skill and Tony reviewing footage of Hyperion fighting prior to their battle. He obviously can’t react at ftl+, he just knows how his opponents will move.

That logic is dumb. You can predict something, but that doesn't mean you can react to it, otherwise Tony would NEVER get hurt, at all. And we both now that he gets tagged frequently, even by people far less acrobatic and agile than him, Cap for example.

 

[MrKerf]

And the sudden amp will get MK the chance to grab Tony and rip him apart with LS

If he does that in character... Besides, Tony could make Hyperion let him go, sooo... (I really like bringing that one up, huh XD)

You can predict something, but that doesn't mean you can react to it

Well, exactly my point, so if MK starts to act unusually, Tony would be hit.

Anyways, bump. Even if I myself vote for Tony, I'd still like to see more people here for the match to be added.
Bump, bump, bump -_-

 

[MrKerf]

Bump again.

 

[Tomfer]

If he does that in character... Besides, Tony could make Hyperion let him go, sooo... (I really like bringing that one up, huh XD)

Ngl, the more you bring that fight, the more clear it becomes an outlier. That's not how LS works, look at the sheer difference in strength they have, even if you count the fact that he should be Class K, there's still a whole tier difference. If MK catches him once, he's done for. And yes, MK has mellow down in violence, however with Tony, someone that MK actually hates and knows how dangerous he is, yes.

Well, exactly my point, so if MK starts to act unusually, Tony would be hit.

So you agree that Tony predicting and dodging Hyperion is an outlier? Good.

 

[MrKerf]

Ngl, the more you bring that fight, the more clear it becomes an outlier. That's not how LS works, look at the sheer difference in strength they have, even if you count the fact that he should be Class K, there's still a whole tier difference. If MK catches him once, he's done for. And yes, MK has mellow down in violence, however with Tony, someone that MK actually hates and knows how dangerous he is, yes.

I mean, I wouldn’t even consider it, as I am more comfortable with keeping MK as Unknown for this key of his. But whatever. Has he ever actually used his LS to rip someone apart?

So you agree that Tony predicting and dodging Hyperion is an outlier? Good.

I am not.