Arkansalter2
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Ok but... how is Sans supposed to move him again? Class 10 to Class 50?
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Skeleton Kill Effect vs Actual Skeleton [Sans (Undertale) vs The Player (Combat Warriors)]
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so he throws his hand out, and moves their soul. very easy thing for him to do.
the LS difference makes it so the player's movement can't be restricted by Sans' TK, but it does not stop Sans from moving them.
Arkansalter2
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Should be listed as possibly Soul Res/Immunity Neg but undertale supps forgot I guess.
Arkansalter2
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If he had one. He doesn't have one. Now what?
Eden_Warlock99
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They don't weight 10 Tons. TK moves their body and since Player here can't counteract that force with Flight, they get tossed around.
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He does it anyways we've already established he does not care if you don't have a soul, he'll use his soul magic on soulless people.
Also he made a tornado in his room filled with garbage, so clearly inanimate objects work.
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Not listed as a negation of any sort other than dura.
And uh, i'm coming to the conclusion that this duraneg just comes from his negging inv frames... aka like, doing 1 damage per frame to the body. If he can't hax his soul, he'll hax Player's body.
Like, its not listed as resistance neg, so you can't cook with this. Get this stuff properly on the profiles.
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This argument only works if it weren't for the fact the profile specifically points out that it works on soulless people. Argue all you want, but what's accepted is that it'd work in this situation, just like it worked on flowey.
Arkansalter2
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That wouldn't really be logical of him to do. Him doing soul based dura neg against a soulless being like JC would just be... well.. stupid.
You may or may not have to get said thing listed on the profile as a possibly Soul Res Neg/Immunity Neg before trying to cook with that one, chief.
Only a little bit. Player will eventually finagle his way out because well... Class 50.
Anyways doesn't sans sorta just... stand there? He doesn't really tp in combat since said TP takes place outside of the player's immediate view. Player can really run up on him and just do a simple ground slam aoe and that'll be the end of that.
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Anyways onto actually note worthy arguments.
Sans is more skilled, being able to defeat flowey over and over again to a point Flowey fears him despite having complete control over the timeline at that point.
Sans can essentially instantly win by throwing his hand down.
If somehow the player survived, Sans' gaster blasters are only dodgable from aim dodging, and otherwise would also instantly kill the player.
I'm assuming the argument will come up at some point, but Sans won't leave himself open by trying to talk to the player, since at a glance he'd know they're a violent psychopath who murders people all the time.
Besides an AOE attack that moves slower than any of sans' moves which he could kill them before they even hit the ground, what exactly does the player have going for them here?
Sans is more skilled, being able to defeat flowey over and over again to a point Flowey fears him despite having complete control over the timeline at that point.
Sans can essentially instantly win by throwing his hand down.
If somehow the player survived, Sans' gaster blasters are only dodgable from aim dodging, and otherwise would also instantly kill the player.
I'm assuming the argument will come up at some point, but Sans won't leave himself open by trying to talk to the player, since at a glance he'd know they're a violent psychopath who murders people all the time.
Besides an AOE attack that moves slower than any of sans' moves which he could kill them before they even hit the ground, what exactly does the player have going for them here?
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It actually is on the profile under dura neg. not sure why you're clinging to this argument when it's accepted on the profile.
And, lets assume it didn't work... then this was a spite match? you made this match assuming sans didn't have anyway to fight back because his soul-based magic wouldn't work on the player? Is that really your best argument rn?
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Brother, you're aware that if its not listed as a seperate negation, it can't be used here meaningfully. He can't hax the mans soul.
Plus, uh... monsters (and frisk) take soul damage as physical ones, no? Sans is explicitly negging Frisk' DEF. Like, Magic is even accepted as mostly physical.
Its legit just more logical to assume that Sans negged Flowey's regular durability. The thing has no "SOUL" to destroy, wtf? Why should I assume that sans soulhaxed a guy who has no soul, despite that same section saying this shit also effects the body? It's 100% more logical to assume it effects the body, any other way is just skewed.
The profile states it works on the body.
MAGIC attacks are mostly physical.
Sans negs Frisk's physical DEF
Sans has no resistance negation on the profile (no, a statement wont do the job, get that as an actual ability listed.)
Yeah, no, player is noselling this.
Arkansalter2
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Dura neg not Immunity Neg or Resistance Neg. It's petty I know, but it's quite the difference.
Sans sorta just... stands there.
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This is complete incredulity.
You see Flowey saying he died a bunch of times against sans, you see him lacking a SOUL and the profile outright says that KR could affect him.
Either you're gonna say that Flowey has a SOUL despite every statement of him being soulless or you accept that sans can dura neg soulless things.
Doesn't work like that, Player won't be able to keep the TK from tossing em cause you can't hold onto anything mid-air.
His LS will only help him if sans ever tried to immobilize him with the TK, which sans has never done.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be able to just casually stroll up to sans while he's getting Danmaku-ed to hell and back.
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someone isn't reading the profile and it's showing...
Monster Physiology (Undertale)
Monsters are one of the races which rules over the Earth alongside Humans in Undertale.[1] Unlike the latter, whose SOULs are independent from their body, and thus can persist after death, the Monsters' SOULs are much weaker given that they're linked to their body, thus when they die their SOUL...
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read right above general monster resistances.
It's petty to the point it loops around to being blatantly stupid. you are ignoring what the profile is telling you to play schematics with me so your favorite fictional character doesn't loose to a fat skeleton who canonically dies to a toddler. Whether you like it or not him affecting soulless beings is accepted on the profile, the fact that it's not listed as it's own ability is a bit irrelevent.
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Yeah... they take SOUL attacks as physical ones, lol? What does this prove, exactly? It even says the damage is effected by dura...
Not to mention, Frisk's OWN durability jumps to a whole new ******* tier because he scales to Asgore, who also attacks the soul. Why? Cause he has an exceptionally high ATK score.
This just further cements the proof that sans is kinda just... negging regular dura lmfao? His atk is 1, yet hes duranegging frisk with max DEF.
Again, Player is noselling this regularass duraneg.
Uh, get it on the profiles, again.
You have no excuse to have this supposed IMMUNITY NEGATION listed under "duraneg".
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the fact it says the damage is affected by durability means it's not ignoring durability on the body. the body is actively reducing damage. are you even reading it?
It is. it's clearly listed in durability negation he can affect soulless beings.
Arkansalter2
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Oh so sans hax in particular is layered without being layered according to monster resistances it can bypass the resistance (granted by monster phys) and immunity (no soul) of Flowey.
How that even works I have no clue. I'm getting this closed.
How that even works I have no clue. I'm getting this closed.
I thought IOP would carry. Not this time.
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Aw man
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Oh, I didn't even think of this as proof that Sans just duranegs regularly with Karma even more.
If Sans killed a guy several tiers stronger than em', one without a soul btw (you need to add this as resistance neg, telling you this for a while now), then its just regular duraneg.
Like, if the body REDUCES damage based on how strong it is, then it makes ALL the more sense that Frisk is just getting regularly duranegged lmfao.
Stronger physically = less soul DMG in UT, thats what you said. That's all the more proof that sans also has regular version of the stuff.
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I don't really know what you're trying to argue at this point. I'll take my leave, since this is getting closed for being a stomp.
Arkansalter2
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But guess what?
JJK is becoming 7-C. You know what that means...
JJK is becoming 7-C. You know what that means...
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im legit only arguing that Sans just regularly duranegged flowy rather than "soul-haxing a guy with immunity to soulhax" (???) without it being listed as an actual resistance neg on the profile.
its legit simpler to argue what im arguing lol, but whatever.
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Make him eliminate Yuta and Hakari.But guess what?
JJK is becoming 7-C. You know what that means...
At once.
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