Simon the Digger vs Darkseid

[Aeroman23]

Assume Darkseid is in his true form

Who wins, the digger who has all the hax or the being who wields Anti Life?

 

[ShadyScourge]

If we go by what they are at the very least, Simon is 2-B and Darkseid 2-C. If we go by what they are at most, Simon is High 1-C and Darkseid is 2-A. Simon stomps.

 

[Aeroman23]

What if they are equalized to 2-A?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You can't.

 

[Solacis]

Stomp thread. Simon destroys.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

What if Simon is 2-B, Darkseid is 2-A. Would Darkseid stomp?

 

[fandom_22Easy]

Simon's probability manipulation stomps. 2-A is just more universes then 2-B.

 

[Sandman31]

I dont think so. Darkseid is an abstract concept, a living idea, Darkseid isn't just a person you can fight, he's the inter-universal embodiment of depression, rejection, apathy, anything that stunts the flourishing of life. He's Bruce Wayne's parents dying. He's 9/11. He's when you stub your toe on a particularly bad day. Darkseid isn't a being or even a god, he is being.

 

[Schnee_One]

Is this relevant somehow?

And was 9/11 actually necessary?

 

[Sandman31]

How are you going to use probabilty manip on an abstract concept that already exists inside you? Darkseid with the anti-life turned a bunch of New Gods (Whos true form is also abstract in nature) into hopeless, decrepit mortals


That combined with the huge AP advantage means I doubt Darkseid is not going to get stomped by 2-B Simon

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes

That is Literally Anti Spiral in a nutshell.

 

[Sandman31]

The Anti Spiral is only the collective conciousness of an entire race while Darkseid is the concept of depression, apathy etc

Not exactly the same thing

 

[Schnee_One]

That's quite incorrect.

AS is an abstract being that represents all spiral energy including willpower within Gurren Laggan.

It's the entire reason having strong will can make you do practically anything in the verse.

And even then, nothing you mentioned is related to probability at all this pointless.

 

[Malikobama1]

This kind of seems like a pointless battle tbh. In the first place they're different tiers

 

[Sandman31]

I'm gonna admit that I know nothing about Gurren Laggan so I only go by what's written on the profile. How does probability manip helps you against fighting your "darkside"? Its going to be a battle against depression, since Darkseid is depression, he's not going to fight with lasers and stuff

Also, yes, this seems pointless as Darkseid may or may not be upgraded to High 2-A plus even with probability manip, I dont see a 2-B beating a 2-A abstract concept. (also thats not yet added to the profile but it's already been approved)

 

[Schnee_One]

Abstract is literally anti spiral

 

[Sandman31]

Yeah, but the fight with the Anti-Spiral I saw on Youtube was them physically hitting each other with energy beams etc. Which doesnt tell me how it will work against Darkseid who is a Platonic Ideal and has type 2 Conceptual Manip (Maybe false Platonism because he's not a 1-A), he still doesnt have it but it will get added on his profile (Type 2 was created because of the issue with Darkseid)

 

[Schnee_One]

That's a feat for two people who are abstracts to hit eachother, not a weakness.

And conceptual Manipulation is again irrelevant to other abilities

 

[Sandman31]

Well, unless he has something like a Radion Bullet (The platonic form of bullet, a bullet that can kill Ideals) he wont be able to harm Darkseid's True form

 

[Schnee_One]

NLF

 

[Sandman31]

How is that NLF? I'm arguing against 2-B Simon beating 2-A Darkseid, Darkseid is a (False) Platonic Ideal and his true form can only be harmed by something of a similar nature to him

The NLF here is claiming that Simon can beat a Platonic Ideal entity who's tier higher than him (2-B vs 2-A) only because he harmed a conceptual being whos not even a type 2 conceptual being

 

[Schnee_One]

<The only way to harm is true form is with a platonic bullet

This is as NLF as it gets, unless you want to tell me Darkseid would last even a second against YHVH.

<platonic ideal entity

Stop mentioning stuff that means absolutely nothing in relation to probability, you are quite literally saying anything that's different from the AS automatically gets a pass which goes against the entire point of hax

 

[Sandman31]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaltias/Draft_of_the_new_Abstract_Existence_page

What I'm saying is that there are different types of abstract entities

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

Darkseid is High 2-A now so it's unfair no matter what. Unless Simon's haxes can affect a High 2-A, but even if that happens, the chance of this match being fair is really small.