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SI, SI (James Dean vs Flowey but it's non lethal)

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It's feeling incredibly hard for me to find people that could match DT users in Undertale, so I'll stick with a nonlethal SI match.
Conditions
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Dean has prior knowledge of Flowey.
  • (Asriel is (restricted) in his Flowey key)
  • Rather than a traditional fight, this is a psychological warfare match. However, just in-case...
    • Wincon is only through SI and nonlethal SBA win condition means. Flowey can still use his superhuman strength to toss and torment Dean and he can hold back anyways for sadism.
    • Both opponents have the motive to social influence rather than kill due to high stakes of winning the psych ops battle
Psychopath:

Politician:

Incon:

IDK if the conditions are enough to make this fair considering Azzy is a psycho here, but here it is.
 
DT-based SI is unfair as hell because the aura is explicitly said to make anyone who has doubts in their will to fight to instantly give up.
Dean also has extreme luck along side his inhuman charisma to back him up infront of the aura along side prior knowledge. Not to mention the aura feats are along side Flowey's SI feats has convinced a political opponent and most of an entire country larger than the underground.
 
Dean also has extreme luck along side his inhuman charisma to back him up infront of the aura along side prior knowledge. Not to mention the aura feats are along side Flowey's SI feats has convinced a political opponent and most of an entire country larger than the underground.
You probably don't get it. Flowey's stuff is bordeline Empathic hax, Dean has no resistance to it.
 
Because they start all with the full intent to fight. Here Dean doesn't even want to fight Flowey, only to convince him.
Even in those situations it isn't an insta-win button, Toriel keeps trying to convince you even as you repeatedly spare her when she stops attacking.
 
You probably don't get it. Flowey's stuff is bordeline Empathic hax, Dean has no resistance to it.
Even in those situations it isn't an insta-win button, Toriel keeps trying to convince you even as you repeatedly spare her when she stops attacking.
Toriel's convincing feats don't match Dean's, and Flowey doesn't have a resistance to luck/probability hax either. Not to mention Dean technically has convinced a political opponent's emotions through luck and charisma. And Flowey has only shown to not feel any love, but he can still feel other emotions.

Besides, I've read Azzy's profile and played UT. What feat could exceed Dean's feats anyways.
 
Flowey isn't really all that impressive SI-wise. Besides the peaceful aura, all his manipulation and predictions really all just come down to the foresight SAVE and LOAD gives him.
 
Flowey isn't really all that impressive SI-wise. Besides the peaceful aura, all his manipulation and predictions really all just come down to the foresight SAVE and LOAD gives him.
Flowey will remember all the convincing arguments Dean will give him before considering a LOAD or reset. And luck has been used in previous matches to counter the time and acausality hax. I successfully had a match with Frisk and Sad Larry while the former was 9-B.
 
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