Should we be using the databooks for determining tiers?

[LoudCloud]

The databooks tend to lowball a lot of stuff. Wouldn't (consistent) feats count more?

 

[Antvasima]

It depends. For Marvel there is no consistency whatsoever between different writers, or even between story to story for the same writers, so we pretty much have to use the official handbook tiers to determine which characters that are as powerful as each other if we have no useful feats to go by.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

For game profiles it's pretty much essential for anime/manga kinda depends but not many have databooks regardless so it shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Minstry_of_pain]

It depends. For Marvel there is no consistency whatsoever between different writers, or even between story to story for the same writers, so we pretty much have to use the official handbook tiers to determine which characters that are as powerful as each other if we have no useful feats to go by.

I have to disagree most of marvels databook literally ad more inconstancy than what they intend to fix. I mean don't get me wrong I understand by drawing a line of reason or least something to go off but I don't see how those databooks actually have accurate information for certain characters and labeling someone just to be superhuman when we've seen them and they've been shown to operate on a bigger scale.

 

[Antvasima]

We don't go by the stated power levels within the handbooks. We go by how strong the characters are stated to be in relation to each other for power-scaling purposes.

 

[Minstry_of_pain]

We don't go by the stated power levels within the handbooks. We go by how strong the characters are stated to be in relation to each other for power-scaling purposes.

Ah I sorry about my misconceptions that actually sounds very helpful in labeling what is an outlier and what's an actual feat nvm.

 

[LoudCloud]

We don't go by the stated power levels within the handbooks. We go by how strong the characters are stated to be in relation to each other for power-scaling purposes.

But come on, supersonic Silver Surfer? I mean, really? That's slower than Mr Fantastic. Using databook powerscaling only works for the characters mentioned in them, meaning characters who aren't powerscaled in databooks usually have the advantage.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Silver Surfer has consistently been shown as quite slow in relation to other Marvel characters, and Mister Fantastic shouldn't officially be that quick either. He has almost normal human speed according to the handbooks. Anything else is an outlier.

 

[LoudCloud]

So who do we powerscale when 2 characters are said to have equal levels of something? For example, character A has shown hypersonic feats and character B has shown light speed feats. The Handbook says both are equal in speed. Do both become hypersonic or do both become lightspeed?

Also, who are most characters powerscaled to if they're supersonic?

 

[Antvasima]

We have to try to evaluate if the lightspeed feat seems to be an outlier, given the general displayed speed of the characters in relation to each other.

However, like I have mentioned many times, the ridiculous amount of enormous inconsistency for Marvel makes scaling the characters extremely hard, so the ratings will not remotely be perfect no matter what we do.

But the choice lies between semi-flawed estimations and just outright deleting all of the Marvel profiles, since their statistics all shift completely from story to story.

Currently, most of their speeds are scaled from Spider-Man, but even rating him as supersonic may technically be an outlier, given that he is generally considerably slower.

 

[LoudCloud]

We have to try to evaluate if the lightspeed feat seems to be an outlier, given the general displayed speed of the characters in relation to each other.
However, like I have mentioned many times, the ridiculous amount of enormous inconsistency for Marvel makes scaling the characters extremely hard, so the ratings will not remotely be perfect no matter what we do.

But the choice lies between semi-flawed estimations and just outright deleting all of the Marvel profiles, since their statistics all shift completely from story to story.

Currently, most of their speeds are scaled from Spider-Man, but even rating him as supersonic may technically be an outlier, given that he is generally considerably slower.

His Supersonic feat seems more like a travel one than a combat one seeing as it's him running from building to building. Surely Thor doesn't have supersonic travel speed?

 

[Antvasima]

We tend to rate running speed as movement speed, and flight speed as travel speed. Thor has almost consistently been shown as slower than Spider-Man in relation to other characters, and was rated at roughly the same level in the Master Edition handbook.

 

[LoudCloud]

So is movement speed = combat speed?

 

[Antvasima]

Logically, it should be a close enough approximation at the very least.

 

[LoudCloud]

Logically, it should be a close enough approximation at the very least.

Well Spidey's reaction speed is far different (Hypersonic+) and that seems like it would be far closer to combat speed than travel speed. Combat speed is usually very close to reaction speed as opposed to travel.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, regardless whether the reflexes are exaggerated or not, he still cannot move his body as quickly as they react.

 

[LoudCloud]

Well, regardless whether the reflexes are exaggerated or not, he still cannot move his body as quickly as they react.

Still doesn't make sense that his travel speed is listed as his combat speed. The OBD says he has multiple showings for faster movement speeds than that.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, he is generally shown to be able to dodge bullets only by help from his precognition, and that's it. We cannot use too extreme outliers.