Should Cracking A Wall be Considered an LS Feat?

[LegendariumOfLies]

A very common feat in fiction is that an enraged character grabs somebody else and slams them against the wall causing it - the wall - to crack but not necessarily fragment.
I have two questions related to this:

1. Is this even a Lifting Strength Feat?
2. If it is, how can we calc it.?

Also, might as well ask this, what about falling from great heights?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Depends.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Highly depends. Most of the time, it's not a LS feat unless he rips the wall in half or something.

 

[Jerry59]

Depends aye.

Is this even a Lifting Strength Feat?

A slam is mostly a striking strength thing. But if the character slams the other guy and then pushes/presses them to crack it, then yah that would count as a LS feat.

If it is, how can we calc it.?

Find compressive strength of the wall’s material, the area of the crack, and multiply them together.

Also, might as well ask this, what about falling from great heights?

I assume you're asking about this?

 

[Totally-Epik]

No

 

[Lilybitdun]

Find compressive strength of the wall’s material, the area of the crack, and multiply them together.

Does that same method work to find the energy of the attack when it's not LS?

 

[Arkenis]

The way you describe it, that would be considered ap more than not.

 

[KLOL506]

Okay, I need to elaborate it better.

It is only an LS feat if you rest your hand on the wall first, and then apply force gradually instead of rapidly. Difference between AP and LS for feats like this depends solely on the activation of your muscle groups with regards to acceleration. A slow sustained push will trigger different muscle groups than what you'd get if you, say, punched or kicked something.

So if you lifted a guy and then slammed him into the wall and that results in a crack? Nope, AP.

You slowly hold the guy and then press him gradually but steadily into the wall which causes cracks to build up? That's LS.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Difference between AP and LS for feats like this depends solely on the activation of your muscle groups with regards to acceleration. A slow sustained push will trigger different muscle groups than what you'd get if you, say, punched or kicked something.

So if you lifted a guy and then slammed him into the wall and that results in a crack? Nope, AP.

You slowly hold the guy and then press him gradually but steadily into the wall which causes cracks to build up? That's LS.

Honestly LS is a bit weird, I'd say even slamming them quickly could be considered LS under the right circumstances. We consider throwing the be LS for obvious reasons and slamming someone into a wall is effectively identical to throwing them but just not releasing your grip.

I mean logically, throwing a 100kg dumbbell in the air is obviously a LS feat. Now imagine there's roof above you meaning instead of it flying up it hits that roof. Both feats are the exact same identical act/movement so why would one be considered LS and the other not? Exactly, it wouldn't.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You can try using F = MA for everything.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Throwing is just Work / Distance = Force where work is the destruction done by the throw and distance is displacement the object cause - usually wall thickness. If you want to get really accurate, you can do Work / (Distance * cos(theta)) where theta is the angle of movement

 

[Chritin]

A very common feat in fiction is that an enraged character grabs somebody else and slams them against the wall causing it - the wall - to crack but not necessarily fragment.
I have two questions related to this:

1. Is this even a Lifting Strength Feat?
2. If it is, how can we calc it.?

Also, might as well ask this, what about falling from great heights?

Yeah this stuff is usually tricky. The thing with LS is that it's kind of in a venn diagram with things like AP and SS. Rarely is something wholly LS or SS, unless they are quite literally a lift or a punch.

In this case, I think it'd really only be good to get LS if he was pushing them into the wall, rather than simply throwing them into the wall.

 

[Totally-Epik]

I revived chat

 

[Greatsage13th]

I revived chat

How so?

 

[Totally-Epik]

How so?

I said "no" and look at the messages above
This post is made in August lol