Shirou Emiya vs Ruby Rose

[LordKill90908]

Round 1: In character, Fate Shirou.

Round 2: Both Bloodlusted. UBW Shirou.

Round 3: Both Bloodlusted, HF Shirou.

Round 4: Both Bloodlusted, composite Shirou.

No Silver Eyes for all rounds.

 

[Reppuzan]

Shirou gets blitzed hard every round.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Fate Shirou has no reason to be here methinks.

UBW Shirou probably dies due to blitz unless he can trace Crescent Rose.

HF Shirou probably dies to to blitz unless he can trace Crescent Rose or Nine Lives.

Composite Shirou is a combination of all 3 or are other Shirou's allowed? Like Prisma Alter Shirou (Miyu's brother) managing to react to Gate of Babylon projectiles with its speed amped somehow, and would probably Nine Lives off the bat, or after trying to open with KnB.

 

[KamiYasha]

I don't know how Ruby is going to Hurt UBW and Hf Shirou. He has a Durability far superior.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Uhhh...what?

SHIROU

Durability: Base / Fate / UBW / HF

SuperHuman (can handle being sent flying into a wall 20 meters away by a kick)

SuperHuman, likely higher (Regenerationn and Avalo make him difficult to kill)

SuperHuman, likely higher; At least City level with Rho Aias (should be greater in effectiveness compared to his Heaven's Feel projection with all seven petals)

At least Wall level, likely higher (his body essentially became a suit of swords); At least City level with Rho Aias (survived and helped overpower a direct attack from Excalibur)

RUBY

Attack Potency: Multi-City Block level (Physically overpowered a Nevermore, which is capable of this)

 

[LordKill90908]

I don't know how Ruby is going to Hurt UBW and Hf Shirou. He has a Durability far superior.

Ruby could land hits before he summons Rho Ais... And by composite, I mean all three main routes.

 

[Gemmysaur]

I see. I give it to Ruby 5.5/10 since she blitzes handily unless Composhirou pulls out Nine Lives.

 

[KamiYasha]

Yeah...shirou's profile needs a LOT of work.

SuperHuman lol, even fodders (at durability) like Illya have a Superhuman durability.

HF Shirou far superior to that.

But still his profiles needs a lot of work.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Then close this fight for now? If Shirou is to be stat checked.

 

[KamiYasha]

Yeah, more likely.

Also, i'm stIll trying to figure out from where it comes the Building Ap or durability on the Nasuverse profiles.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Building dura iirc comes from servants being impervious to bullets.

Superhuman dura for Shirou iirc comes from Lancer kicking him inside his house.

 

[LordAizenSama]

..Building level from bullets?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

..Building level from bullets?

Yeah, I remember a calc being done that shows not being able to be pierced by bullets at all would result in building level durability.

 

[Xiaome]

Everyone here is like okay "spleedblitz", but that is kind of hard because in HF shirou has a pseudo "eye of the mind"(false) and lot of you forget that he have fought stronger and more powerful people then her and have won. He is used to fighting against people with a huge disadvantages.

The last thing that I think that many people do wrong is that they just take the tier and then is like aha so this guy is a tier above then he wins! In the "nasuverse" there are many beings that are very powerful without any destructive achievement. An example of this is the god Balor, he has no recorded destructive feats but he has special eyes that lets him actualize death on anything his eyes set onto as long as it has a concept of death.

I'm not taking a pick yet because it's a difficult to judge this one. If she can take him out on first hit then she wins, if not she will most likely be killed by Gae Bolg. That is the most likely outcome I can vision in these rounds. Or of he hits her shadow with a black key then she is stuck and will not be able to move and just shoves an anti magic weapon through her throat. But again like I said this is a difficult one. I think it can go either way though.

 

[Gemmysaur]

~Snip

I think this falls under necroing a thread.

Anyways, yes, Archer (and by extension HF Shirou) has EotM (true) and that they're pretty specialized to fight people stronger and faster than them but not to this degree.

Archer is roughly around HS+ with HHS reflexes. The other servants are nearly in the same ballpark.

RWBY is MHS.

 

[Xiaome]

~Snip

I think this falls under necroing a thread.

Anyways, yes, Archer (and by extension HF Shirou) has EotM (true) and that they're pretty specialized to fight people stronger and faster than them but not to this degree.

Archer is roughly around HS+ with HHS reflexes. The other servants are nearly in the same ballpark.

RWBY is MHS.

One of the many reason I'm always irritated with precog. They are not that precise with this ability in many show. EotM is one thing that is a bit annoying because it is a bit vague, an example of this is that False Assassin was able to value the length and size of Saber's sword after first attack. Before that he already had an rought estimate. So you can see why I'm always scratching my head when precog comes into the picture.

 

[Gemmysaur]

One of the many reason I'm always irritated with precog. They are not that precise with this ability in many show. EotM is one thing that is a bit annoying because it is a bit vague, an example of this is that False Assassin was able to value the length and size of Saber's sword after first attack. Before that he already had an rought estimate. So you can see why I'm always scratching my head when precog comes into the picture.

They are what they show in the profile. Archer is very much below Diarmuid (Zero Lancer who, with Saber, are the basis for the entire HS+ with HHS speed tiering in the first place) but can somehow keep up enough with his war's Lancer who is roughly in the same ballpark as Zero Lancer, which is what warranted Archer the HHS reflexes in the first place. Else, he and other slower heroes wouldn't be keeping up for as long as they did.

See Lancer vs Archer round 2 in the UBW anime for example. Lancer, without holding back was so much faster that Archer was extremely hard-pressed to keep up at all, but was doing so anyway because he wasn't reacting as much as he was predicting (he was already looking where Lancer was going to attack from), which is pretty much how EotM (True) works.

Sasaki (False Assassin) was just that damn good that he can estimate the length of the invisible sword. It's like trying to show a photoshop expert a picture you claim as real but he can find the faults that would prove it wrong.

 

[Xiaome]

Another part is if he can trace "Invisible Air" because of his connection to Saber which he can use to boost his speed. But like I said even before deploying the weapon he will know her style, her life and how she thinks to an extent. Another reason is that most of Ruby's experience is fighting against grimm, not humans. Yes she has fought a couple of people, but she gets taken down fast by people who have experience with fighting humanoids being that can think. The last thing that many people seem to think that is that it looks like so far Ruby can only use her semblance in a straight line so that is another weakness I have seen from the shows. An example of this is the fight between her and Mercury where he did a straightforward kick and she could not avoid it and was sent flung back some distance.

Yes she is fast I will not deny that, but the difference between her and other people with high speed is that she can only run that fast in a straight line. You can compare her to athletes who always runs in straight lines. They are fast but are terrible at changing the course suddenly and need to do almost a complete stop to turn completely to another direction.

Anyway the silver eyes wouldn't do anything against Shirou because he is not a grimm. So it's irrelevant if it's involved or not.

 

[Promestein]

Ruby is not faster than Shirou JUST because of her Semblance. She is faster in combat without it. She is literally faster in every way.