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Ok firstly I'm just asking to note. Whoever wants to use it be my guess, I don't care but I did try asking around, didn't get full answers so I might as well try here.
Anyway Shinza...yeah shinza shit...
Ok what's going on here? Well besides the fiasco of barely changed profiles and shoddy translations and copy pasted things I do want to highlight a few things that were not put in the thread.
And it sort relates to High 1-A. See a little birdie told me if one can transcend all dualities (so every minor or major duality ever even fiction and reality), then you can be high 1-A.
So I wondered as we have Avesta's god Mithra and the narration saying this about her universe:
Context in case: Zurvan got thrown into Mithra's place where she would place judgment of breaking the law which is gonna suck for him forever lolz.
From Avesta:
Black and White, Blue and Red, Light and Darkness, Front and Back. In this world there exists all kinds of dualistic, conflicting and opposing phenomenon, concept, every bit without exception was there. Flowing, continuously changing, a great mandala of twill patterns that continues to rotate its shape like a kaleidoscope. Overflowing with a seemingly infinite colors, yet not a single thing here was independent. Whatever becomes an enemy (couple), is always defined by the absolute law. As if it was a microcosm universe. A superscale textile, that is the embodiment of the dualistic world. Possessing a beauty that resembled a celestial maiden's robe, there was also an ugliness like rotting entrails. At the colors mixing together violently, Zurvan can feel himself going insane. No, it can be said that he was the only one who could get away with this much. As a creed for breaking the rules, for Zurvan who was actually repelled from the law otherwise, when entering this space would have died from insanity. Even a demon king class, would be unable to oppose the infinite twill pattern.
So we already know from this that EVERY duality would exist here without question which should include the reality fiction thing that exists in Shinza.
And we know the amount of reality fiction things that Shinza puts like:
So there are a couple of R>F thing we can use.
Not to mention where the throne stands:
So its clear this is where it stands.
And...what does this have to do with transcending duality?
Hold up let me blow up my kitchen.
We can see here that Yakou refers that every law and phenomenon that isn't the godhead isn't Taiji. Taiji is the originator of things like yin and yang which should be duality as a whole and its not like duality dies when Mithra was killed in her fight against Muzan. So what gives? Well to put it simply, when a god ascends their wish turns that law or thing in the universe into a taiji law thus elevating it. Yakou gives examples that normally water or fire would do whatever it does. Imbue it with Taiji then its properties and aspects change the universe around it. He then later illustrates to obtain true taiji a wish is needed. This is true for the series as people like Ren wants time to stop and stagnate. Its not like time didn't exist but Ren's wish elevated it into a god's territory. So something like Duality would still exist but Mithra's wish elevated it.
Counterarguments I can think in 3 seconds:
"But Mithra had one duality missing in the final battle which is wrath"
You are right on this...except firstly Quinn notes only that was missing while the other infinite dualities that was previously stated would still remain including that reality fiction duality since it states all.
"But Mithra has a commandment so she can't be above it"
Issue again is not only Mithra is doing this on purpose, she practically elevated that law to be a throne/taiji law. If not it would have meant nothing since God's are their very laws and everything. No god is subjected to anything less than a taiji law be it Gudou or Hadou so her needing to keep her anger in check doesn't mean the gods are not above all things that isn't taiji including a non-taiji/Big Bang Imbued duality.
"But there is only a near infinite amount of laws"
And not a single one is Taiji. Remember a law needs to be imbued with a wish and craving that makes a taiji law possible. Your wish is important, the result is whatever is the result. Reinhard's wish is to "love all of creation" which is to destroy and ressurect everyone in a never ending war. Or Ren's wish to "this moment to last forever" which results in stagnation and time stop and such. So it doesn't matter how many laws there are, infinite or close to it, Taiji is above all concepts and laws that exist there even every duality there is. It only works if its a taiji law vs a taiji law.
"But what about Vahram? He dies (sorta) and is interactable"
Vahram only has the perspective of Zero. He only SEES everyone as a storybook and character so they don't feel real to him. Once he gains that power, he is elevated to a god's level and even states can "finally drag them to his side". So it's clear Aeon enables his perspective and power to match when it didn't at the time.
Tldr; Yakou's explanation is anything that isn't a godhead isn't a taiji law. To get to a god's domain and the throne, a wish and craving must be made to the point of insanity. And that wish and craving results in a law of the universe being elevated to the throne's level and domain to spread all over creation or exist outside of it. All forms of Duality would naturally be part of reality and everything has a front and back side. Normally no law would be taiji but Mithra's wish resulted in something like duality being elevated as a god's law. So as such the throne is above everything the universe has even all dualities with the gods who can reach said throne reaching the same heights, transcending it all normally. Unless all dualities (which should include a reality-fiction duality with the amount of analogies on how the gods view everything below the throne), are imbued with Taiji like in the case of mithra, they would be transcended by a god.
Why I made this thing? I'm bored. Don't know if the summary made enough sense and I just wanted what's nagging at me to finally be answered lmfao.
Anyway Shinza...yeah shinza shit...
Ok what's going on here? Well besides the fiasco of barely changed profiles and shoddy translations and copy pasted things I do want to highlight a few things that were not put in the thread.
And it sort relates to High 1-A. See a little birdie told me if one can transcend all dualities (so every minor or major duality ever even fiction and reality), then you can be high 1-A.
So I wondered as we have Avesta's god Mithra and the narration saying this about her universe:
Context in case: Zurvan got thrown into Mithra's place where she would place judgment of breaking the law which is gonna suck for him forever lolz.
From Avesta:
Black and White, Blue and Red, Light and Darkness, Front and Back. In this world there exists all kinds of dualistic, conflicting and opposing phenomenon, concept, every bit without exception was there. Flowing, continuously changing, a great mandala of twill patterns that continues to rotate its shape like a kaleidoscope. Overflowing with a seemingly infinite colors, yet not a single thing here was independent. Whatever becomes an enemy (couple), is always defined by the absolute law. As if it was a microcosm universe. A superscale textile, that is the embodiment of the dualistic world. Possessing a beauty that resembled a celestial maiden's robe, there was also an ugliness like rotting entrails. At the colors mixing together violently, Zurvan can feel himself going insane. No, it can be said that he was the only one who could get away with this much. As a creed for breaking the rules, for Zurvan who was actually repelled from the law otherwise, when entering this space would have died from insanity. Even a demon king class, would be unable to oppose the infinite twill pattern.
So we already know from this that EVERY duality would exist here without question which should include the reality fiction thing that exists in Shinza.
And we know the amount of reality fiction things that Shinza puts like:
Infamous scan of Tenma's not getting hurt by poor Mibu.
なのに無傷。まったく無傷。薄皮一枚切り裂けない。それは紫織の拳を受け止めたときと同様で、頑強さと言うより別位相の物理を目にしたかのようだった。
喩えるなら、絵の中でどれだけ猛火を描写しようと、それが現実の人間を燃やせるわけがないのと同じ。
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
そして、絵に現実は害せなくても、現実が絵を破壊することは容易に出来る。
高次元から低次元への攻撃は、赤子の手を捻るよりも通しやすい。
And yet there is no wound. Totally unharmed. Not even a thin layer of skin was cut. It was the same as when he received Shiori's fist, and it was as if he had witnessed a different phase/topology of the laws of nature rather than some kind of robustness.
To illustrate, no matter how fiercely a fire is depicted in a painting, there is no way it can burn a real person.
There is a sense of disconnection, as if we are standing in different places.
And, even if the picture cannot harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture.
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension, is easier to do than twisting a baby's hand.
なのに無傷。まったく無傷。薄皮一枚切り裂けない。それは紫織の拳を受け止めたときと同様で、頑強さと言うより別位相の物理を目にしたかのようだった。
喩えるなら、絵の中でどれだけ猛火を描写しようと、それが現実の人間を燃やせるわけがないのと同じ。
立っている場所がそもそも違うという断絶感。
そして、絵に現実は害せなくても、現実が絵を破壊することは容易に出来る。
高次元から低次元への攻撃は、赤子の手を捻るよりも通しやすい。
And yet there is no wound. Totally unharmed. Not even a thin layer of skin was cut. It was the same as when he received Shiori's fist, and it was as if he had witnessed a different phase/topology of the laws of nature rather than some kind of robustness.
To illustrate, no matter how fiercely a fire is depicted in a painting, there is no way it can burn a real person.
There is a sense of disconnection, as if we are standing in different places.
And, even if the picture cannot harm reality, reality can easily destroy the picture.
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension, is easier to do than twisting a baby's hand.
Yakou sees everyone as a line even everything in creation and all phenomenon
そこは、無限の卍の中心にある宇宙の座だった。これが夜行の存在する階層であり、彼の目線に他ならない。そういう意味では、門を開くという表現は正確性に欠けていた。夜行は常時ここに在り、そしてここから出られない。今、入室したというわけではなく、彼の目には万象がこのように見えているというだけなのだ。
That is, within the infinite mandala was the seat of the universe at its center. This was the hierarchy that Yakou exists in, it was none other than his point of view. What it means is, the saying that he opened the gate lacked accuracy. Yakou always existed here, and he cannot leave. Now, its not like he just entered, but that in his eyes all creation/phenomenon are seen in this way.
そこは、無限の卍の中心にある宇宙の座だった。これが夜行の存在する階層であり、彼の目線に他ならない。そういう意味では、門を開くという表現は正確性に欠けていた。夜行は常時ここに在り、そしてここから出られない。今、入室したというわけではなく、彼の目には万象がこのように見えているというだけなのだ。
That is, within the infinite mandala was the seat of the universe at its center. This was the hierarchy that Yakou exists in, it was none other than his point of view. What it means is, the saying that he opened the gate lacked accuracy. Yakou always existed here, and he cannot leave. Now, its not like he just entered, but that in his eyes all creation/phenomenon are seen in this way.
Vahram's analogy is dragging the contents of the story (the characters he loves) to his side and perspective.
規格の違う才能と、”零”に通じる異端の視点を持って生まれた。なるほどアフラマズダが評した通り、生きている階層がそもそも違う。ワルフラーンにとっては、世界が物語と変わらぬものに見えたはずだ。
まるで本でも読んでいるような気分。目の前にある笑顔も、涙も、活字や挿絵と変わらない。それは紛れもなく一方的に優越した、超越者の立場だろう。
しかし考えてみるがいい、断絶した関係なのはお互い様だ。読者が物語の登場人物にどうしたって芯から寄り添えないのと同じく、登場人物(みんな)も読者(ワルフラーン)には寄り添えない。
そこには狂おしい孤独がある。たとえどれだけ”みんな”を愛し、彼らと共に生きたいと願ったところで叶(かな)わない。同じ温度の夢を見ることが不可能で、突き詰めれば分からな いし分かってもらえない。
だからワルフラーンは自らの才を恥じた。一人だけ卑怯(ひきょう)な反則をしているみたいで、公平に生きるための戒律を組み上げた。
勝者の特権ーー負かした相手から、もっとも大事な武器を奪う。単純な強さだったり、能力だったり、情だったりと様々だが、真相は今まで思われていた強化狙いの所業に非ず。
むしろ逆で、己の純性を損なわせるのが目的だった。有り体に、弱くなりたかったのだと表現していい。
わざわざ他者の力を奪わなくても、ワルフラーンは最初から強い。単に勝手気ままな生を望むなら、素のままで好きなようにできたはずだ。
けれどそれでは満たされない。どんな偉業を成し讃(たた)えられても、しょせんは物語の中の出来事。自分の現実と交わらぬ以上、虚しい思いが募るだけ。
ゆえに奪った。堕ちたくて、“みんな”と一緒に泣いて笑える資格を得たくて、“こちら側”の属性をこれでもかと装飾した。そうすることで、俺はおまえたちの仲間なんだと主張していたに違いない。もっとも優れた者が仕切るというルールに倣ったのも、要するにそのためだ。
「あれこれと試したようだが、結局望んだ場所には行けなかった。試みの方向性が違うと、兄者も気付いていたんだろう」
鍔迫(つばぜ)り合いの状態で、マグサリオンは皮肉げな笑みを浮かべた。そこには嘲罵と、微かな憐憫(れんびん)が窺(うかが)える。
強すぎて弱くなりたかった男。物語の中に入りたいと願いながら、あまりにも隔絶した視点の差に阻まれた勇者はどうするべきか。残る手段は一つしかない。
「あんたは”零”を知り、答えを得た。自ら下に降りられないなら、逆に引っ張り上げれ ばいい。そのためのアイオーンだ」
“みんな”を自分の側に生まれ変わらせる召喚(コンバート)。物語の喩えに倣うなら、絵本の登場人物 たちを現実に持ってくる選択だ。これも孤独の払拭には違いなく、”零”と戦う万神軍(パンテオン)を動 かせば己の才と属性をワルフラーンはもう恥じなくていい。手足を動かすのと変わらぬ次元で、誰より優れている彼はできることをやればいいのだ。
Being born with a different standard, a heretical point of view to communicate with "zero". As Ahuza Mazda described, he lived in a different hierarchy. For Vahram, the world looked like a story.
It was like reading a book. In his eyes the smiles, the tears, were no different from print and illustrations. That is without a doubt a one sided superior, transcedent position.
But think of it this way, the disconnected relationship was mutual. Just as the readers cannot get close to the story's characters, the story characters (everyone) cannot get close to the reader (Vahram).
That is a maddening loneliness. Even if he loved "everyone", and wanted to live with them, that wish will never come true. Just as it is impossible to dream of the same temperature (?), ultimately he couldn't understand or be understood.
Therefore Vahram was ashamed of his talent, he was the only one with an unfair (cowardly) foul, so he composed of a commandment to live fairly. (Not super sure on the wording but i guess its basically he has an unfair advantage)
Privilege of the winner---from the opponents he defeated, to take away their most important weapon. It can be simple strength, abilities or even emotions, in truth is that this isn't an act of enhancement as it has been thought until now.
Rather its the opposite, the purpose was to undermine his own purity. In truth, he wanted to become weak.
Especially even without taking other's strength, Vahram was strong from the start. If he simply wanted to live based on his desires, he could have done whatever he wanted.
But that wouldn't satisfy him. No matter how much his exploits were glorified, they came from inside the story. As long as they don't intersect with his reality, it will only make him feel empty.
Therefore he took. To fall, he wanted to get the qualification to cry and laugh with "everyone", to ornament himself with attributes of "this side." By doing so, he can claim to be one of their companions with no difference. To put it simply, he also followed the rules of the most superior one.
"I did everything, but in the end I didn't get to where I wanted. I experimented this and that, I'm sure you're aware of that."
In the face of tension, Magsarion showed a sarcastic smile. There was mockery, yet a hint of pity.
A man who was too strong and wanted to be weak. Who wished to be in the story, but was separated but different point of view what should the hero do? There was only one means left.
"You know about "zero", and have your answer. If you cannot go down yourself, then you can pull them up. That is what Aeon is for."
To summon (convert) "everyone" and be reborn to his side. To follow the story metaphor, its the choice to bring the character's of the picture to reality. This too is another way to wash away his loneliness, by mobilizing Pantheon to fight "zero" Vahram is no longer ashamed of his talent and attribute. On the same level as moving one's limbs, he is superior to anyone and he does what he needs to do.
規格の違う才能と、”零”に通じる異端の視点を持って生まれた。なるほどアフラマズダが評した通り、生きている階層がそもそも違う。ワルフラーンにとっては、世界が物語と変わらぬものに見えたはずだ。
まるで本でも読んでいるような気分。目の前にある笑顔も、涙も、活字や挿絵と変わらない。それは紛れもなく一方的に優越した、超越者の立場だろう。
しかし考えてみるがいい、断絶した関係なのはお互い様だ。読者が物語の登場人物にどうしたって芯から寄り添えないのと同じく、登場人物(みんな)も読者(ワルフラーン)には寄り添えない。
そこには狂おしい孤独がある。たとえどれだけ”みんな”を愛し、彼らと共に生きたいと願ったところで叶(かな)わない。同じ温度の夢を見ることが不可能で、突き詰めれば分からな いし分かってもらえない。
だからワルフラーンは自らの才を恥じた。一人だけ卑怯(ひきょう)な反則をしているみたいで、公平に生きるための戒律を組み上げた。
勝者の特権ーー負かした相手から、もっとも大事な武器を奪う。単純な強さだったり、能力だったり、情だったりと様々だが、真相は今まで思われていた強化狙いの所業に非ず。
むしろ逆で、己の純性を損なわせるのが目的だった。有り体に、弱くなりたかったのだと表現していい。
わざわざ他者の力を奪わなくても、ワルフラーンは最初から強い。単に勝手気ままな生を望むなら、素のままで好きなようにできたはずだ。
けれどそれでは満たされない。どんな偉業を成し讃(たた)えられても、しょせんは物語の中の出来事。自分の現実と交わらぬ以上、虚しい思いが募るだけ。
ゆえに奪った。堕ちたくて、“みんな”と一緒に泣いて笑える資格を得たくて、“こちら側”の属性をこれでもかと装飾した。そうすることで、俺はおまえたちの仲間なんだと主張していたに違いない。もっとも優れた者が仕切るというルールに倣ったのも、要するにそのためだ。
「あれこれと試したようだが、結局望んだ場所には行けなかった。試みの方向性が違うと、兄者も気付いていたんだろう」
鍔迫(つばぜ)り合いの状態で、マグサリオンは皮肉げな笑みを浮かべた。そこには嘲罵と、微かな憐憫(れんびん)が窺(うかが)える。
強すぎて弱くなりたかった男。物語の中に入りたいと願いながら、あまりにも隔絶した視点の差に阻まれた勇者はどうするべきか。残る手段は一つしかない。
「あんたは”零”を知り、答えを得た。自ら下に降りられないなら、逆に引っ張り上げれ ばいい。そのためのアイオーンだ」
“みんな”を自分の側に生まれ変わらせる召喚(コンバート)。物語の喩えに倣うなら、絵本の登場人物 たちを現実に持ってくる選択だ。これも孤独の払拭には違いなく、”零”と戦う万神軍(パンテオン)を動 かせば己の才と属性をワルフラーンはもう恥じなくていい。手足を動かすのと変わらぬ次元で、誰より優れている彼はできることをやればいいのだ。
Being born with a different standard, a heretical point of view to communicate with "zero". As Ahuza Mazda described, he lived in a different hierarchy. For Vahram, the world looked like a story.
It was like reading a book. In his eyes the smiles, the tears, were no different from print and illustrations. That is without a doubt a one sided superior, transcedent position.
But think of it this way, the disconnected relationship was mutual. Just as the readers cannot get close to the story's characters, the story characters (everyone) cannot get close to the reader (Vahram).
That is a maddening loneliness. Even if he loved "everyone", and wanted to live with them, that wish will never come true. Just as it is impossible to dream of the same temperature (?), ultimately he couldn't understand or be understood.
Therefore Vahram was ashamed of his talent, he was the only one with an unfair (cowardly) foul, so he composed of a commandment to live fairly. (Not super sure on the wording but i guess its basically he has an unfair advantage)
Privilege of the winner---from the opponents he defeated, to take away their most important weapon. It can be simple strength, abilities or even emotions, in truth is that this isn't an act of enhancement as it has been thought until now.
Rather its the opposite, the purpose was to undermine his own purity. In truth, he wanted to become weak.
Especially even without taking other's strength, Vahram was strong from the start. If he simply wanted to live based on his desires, he could have done whatever he wanted.
But that wouldn't satisfy him. No matter how much his exploits were glorified, they came from inside the story. As long as they don't intersect with his reality, it will only make him feel empty.
Therefore he took. To fall, he wanted to get the qualification to cry and laugh with "everyone", to ornament himself with attributes of "this side." By doing so, he can claim to be one of their companions with no difference. To put it simply, he also followed the rules of the most superior one.
"I did everything, but in the end I didn't get to where I wanted. I experimented this and that, I'm sure you're aware of that."
In the face of tension, Magsarion showed a sarcastic smile. There was mockery, yet a hint of pity.
A man who was too strong and wanted to be weak. Who wished to be in the story, but was separated but different point of view what should the hero do? There was only one means left.
"You know about "zero", and have your answer. If you cannot go down yourself, then you can pull them up. That is what Aeon is for."
To summon (convert) "everyone" and be reborn to his side. To follow the story metaphor, its the choice to bring the character's of the picture to reality. This too is another way to wash away his loneliness, by mobilizing Pantheon to fight "zero" Vahram is no longer ashamed of his talent and attribute. On the same level as moving one's limbs, he is superior to anyone and he does what he needs to do.
Even Dies Irae love painting analogies.
So Satanael has both a painting analogy and computer update analogy and kept doing it to all of creation.
宇宙のすべてを自分の色に染め上げるという行為にもっとも忠実。 自分が法で、 自分こそが森羅万象。
The most devoted act of coloring the entire universe in one's color. I am the law, I am all things in creation.
さながらアップデートを繰り返すコンピューターのように。 純白という終わらない絵を延々と描き続けた結果のことだ。
Just like a computer that repeatedly updates itself (like bloody windows dammit). The result of continuously drawing endlessly over the picture is a never ending pure white.
(at the 17:00 mark. Credits to Lucas for vid and revenger for translations).
宇宙のすべてを自分の色に染め上げるという行為にもっとも忠実。 自分が法で、 自分こそが森羅万象。
The most devoted act of coloring the entire universe in one's color. I am the law, I am all things in creation.
さながらアップデートを繰り返すコンピューターのように。 純白という終わらない絵を延々と描き続けた結果のことだ。
Just like a computer that repeatedly updates itself (like bloody windows dammit). The result of continuously drawing endlessly over the picture is a never ending pure white.
(at the 17:00 mark. Credits to Lucas for vid and revenger for translations).
So there are a couple of R>F thing we can use.
Not to mention where the throne stands:
(Until the 1:00 mark)
Credits to SingerOFW and SterrnerDeem for the vid and translation
Text:
いと高き所に坐したまま総てを見通し人知の及ばぬ力を振るう何者かがいる、総てを超越して達する至高の座。
Sitting at the highest place that perceives all things and wielding power beyond human understanding, a supreme throne that transcends all things
Credits to SingerOFW and SterrnerDeem for the vid and translation
Text:
いと高き所に坐したまま総てを見通し人知の及ばぬ力を振るう何者かがいる、総てを超越して達する至高の座。
Sitting at the highest place that perceives all things and wielding power beyond human understanding, a supreme throne that transcends all things
So its clear this is where it stands.
And...what does this have to do with transcending duality?
Hold up let me blow up my kitchen.
This is a description of Taiji from both atwiki and the game from Yakou's explaination
陰と陽にも属さない技術として枠外にある法。
現実世界を歪ませる程の純度と強度を有した想念（渇望）によって自身の宇宙を形作る行為であり、魂の極致といってよい。
A law that is beyond techniques that do not belong to Yin and Yang.
The act of molding one's universe to such an extent with their pure and strong thoughts (craving) that it distorts the reality of the world.
太極――陰陽道における万物の元始であり、宇宙の中心点を指す概念。彼ら御門の人間にとっては常識的な単語だが、その意味するとこは茫漠としてはっきりしない。
陳腐に言えば究極のようなものだから、そこがどのようなものであり、知れば何が出来るようになるというのか、具体的な解がないのである。
「真理を悟るだの、何だのと、まあそういうことを言われているがな。では真理とは何だ？ 知らんよ、そんなもの」
「俗に考えれば、不可能なことがなくなるのかもしれん。万物の元始には総ての事象の元があるゆえ、そこに触れればあらゆる知と力を引き出せる。総てを悟り、総てを成せる」
Taiji -- the concept in the Yin and Yang way of life that refers to the beginning of all things and the central point of the universe. It's a common sense word to the people of Mikado, but its meaning is vague and unclear.
To put it cliché, it is like the ultimate, so there is no concrete solution to what it is and what you can do if you know what it is.
"They say that when your realize the truth, or something along those lines. Then what is the truth? I don't know of such things"
"To think in a common way, the impossible will cease to be. In the origin of all things, the source of all phenomenon, if you touch it you can draw out all knowledge and power. To understand all, and all can be accomplished.
陰と陽にも属さない技術として枠外にある法。
現実世界を歪ませる程の純度と強度を有した想念（渇望）によって自身の宇宙を形作る行為であり、魂の極致といってよい。
A law that is beyond techniques that do not belong to Yin and Yang.
The act of molding one's universe to such an extent with their pure and strong thoughts (craving) that it distorts the reality of the world.
太極――陰陽道における万物の元始であり、宇宙の中心点を指す概念。彼ら御門の人間にとっては常識的な単語だが、その意味するとこは茫漠としてはっきりしない。
陳腐に言えば究極のようなものだから、そこがどのようなものであり、知れば何が出来るようになるというのか、具体的な解がないのである。
「真理を悟るだの、何だのと、まあそういうことを言われているがな。では真理とは何だ？ 知らんよ、そんなもの」
「俗に考えれば、不可能なことがなくなるのかもしれん。万物の元始には総ての事象の元があるゆえ、そこに触れればあらゆる知と力を引き出せる。総てを悟り、総てを成せる」
Taiji -- the concept in the Yin and Yang way of life that refers to the beginning of all things and the central point of the universe. It's a common sense word to the people of Mikado, but its meaning is vague and unclear.
To put it cliché, it is like the ultimate, so there is no concrete solution to what it is and what you can do if you know what it is.
"They say that when your realize the truth, or something along those lines. Then what is the truth? I don't know of such things"
"To think in a common way, the impossible will cease to be. In the origin of all things, the source of all phenomenon, if you touch it you can draw out all knowledge and power. To understand all, and all can be accomplished.
Yakou describing the throne and his unusual circumstances in reaching it.
夜行は森羅万象を司る座に達しているため、これは厳密なところ異能で はない。単に宇宙の物理現象ならば何でも出来るということであり、世 界法則を歪める異能とはまったく逆の部類と言える。ただ、彼の太極は未だ無形で、曰く何の型にも嵌められていないとのこと。 ゆえに夜行の宇宙はどんな色を帯びるのか、それに染まればどうなるのか、 今は何も分からない。分かっているのは、この男であっても太極という単位においては未熟な 赤子同然という、目眩を覚えるような事実のみ。そもそも、なぜ彼がそんな領域に達しているのか······すでにそこからし て不明である。
Yakou was able to reach the seat that governs all things in creation, this isn't a strictly unusual ability. Simply he can do any physical phenomenon in the universe, which is the complete opposite category of the abnormal ability to distort the world's laws. However, his taiji is still intangible (Mukei), he says it hasn't been molded into any form. Therefore what color would Yakou's universe bear, or what would happen if he's dyed by it, right now no one knows. The only thing that is understood, it can be said this man's taiji scale is like that of an immature baby, which is the only dizzying fact that was learned. In the first place, why did he reached that realm...is already unclear from that point.
夜行は森羅万象を司る座に達しているため、これは厳密なところ異能で はない。単に宇宙の物理現象ならば何でも出来るということであり、世 界法則を歪める異能とはまったく逆の部類と言える。ただ、彼の太極は未だ無形で、曰く何の型にも嵌められていないとのこと。 ゆえに夜行の宇宙はどんな色を帯びるのか、それに染まればどうなるのか、 今は何も分からない。分かっているのは、この男であっても太極という単位においては未熟な 赤子同然という、目眩を覚えるような事実のみ。そもそも、なぜ彼がそんな領域に達しているのか······すでにそこからし て不明である。
Yakou was able to reach the seat that governs all things in creation, this isn't a strictly unusual ability. Simply he can do any physical phenomenon in the universe, which is the complete opposite category of the abnormal ability to distort the world's laws. However, his taiji is still intangible (Mukei), he says it hasn't been molded into any form. Therefore what color would Yakou's universe bear, or what would happen if he's dyed by it, right now no one knows. The only thing that is understood, it can be said this man's taiji scale is like that of an immature baby, which is the only dizzying fact that was learned. In the first place, why did he reached that realm...is already unclear from that point.
Yakou explaining Taiji and how a law can change if imbued by Taiji and the user's wish that elevates it
太極とは何ぞやと言われれば、端的に法則と言うしかない。 すなわちその世界における絶対法であり、そうした決まり事を定めた張本人を指す。 無論、世に法則といったものは無限に近く存在するし、それら一つ一つが太極というわけではない。 現実に刃物は切るという法則を帯びているし、火は燃やすという法則がある。水中の法則ならば肺呼吸ができないというものであろうし、そうした細々としたものは単なる物理だ。 重要なのは規模、密度。その法を構成する単位が宇宙という規格であり、ゆえにそれのみをもって独立した世界となり得るものを太極と定義する。 何も難しい話ではない。前述した水中の法が太極と化したなら、全宇宙が水底に変わるというだけのこと。もしくは、宇宙を砕く領域の法でなければ蒸発も凍結もしない水が誕生するだけのこと。 前者を覇道。後者を求道。 己が法則で森羅万象を制圧する太極と、己が法則のみ森羅万象から外れるという太極である。 この法を色と呼び、それを決定するのは人の想念。我は何々がしたい、何々になりたい。そうした祈りや願い、つまり渇望と言われるものが、太極を発生させる原動力となる。 よって、型に嵌めるとはそういうことだ。己を象徴する渇望(いろ)をもって、自らが願う宇宙の在り様を決定する行為に他ならない。 それは分かった。分かったゆえに摩多羅夜行は考える。 これまでのことは確信に近い推論として東征前から立てており、事実その通りだったと判明した。ならばもう、後に残っているのはただ一つしかないだろう。 己の渇望(いろ)とは？ 我が宇宙を定義する願いとは？ その壁さえ乗り越えれば、夜行は真実の太極へ至れるだろう。最初からその場所へ達しているのだから、後は何がしたいのかを定めるのみ。至極簡単なことに思える。 しかし、夜行には渇望(それ)が何か分からない。狂おしく希求する何某か、久雅竜胆が言う魂の形というものが見えぬのだ。 そもそもからして、彼の場合は順番が狂っている。太極に至るなら、まず何よりも願いありき。己が理想に焦がれる心を持ってなければ、そこに達することなど出来はしない。 だというのに、夜行は想い無くしてなぜか届いた。
If one were to be asked on what Taiji is, the only way to say it concisely is that it is the law. In other words it is the absolute law of the world, and is identified as the originator who set these laws. Of course, there are a near infinite amount of laws that exist, and not one of them is Taiji. In reality things that cut are imbued with a law, there is a law in where fire burns. If the underwater's law is the inability to breath through their lungs, such details are mere physics. What is important is the scale, and density. Those laws that constitutes the scale of the universe is said to be the norm, therefore by definition those who obtain Taiji become an independent world. There isn't anything difficult about this talk. If the aforementioned underwater's law transforms into Taiji, the entire universe will transform into a wattery bottom. Or, if the law's domain doesn't shatter the universe it would give birth to water that doesn't freeze or evaporate. The former is Hadou (Law that expands through the universe. The latter is Gudou (law that goes inward). It is a taiji where ones law oppresses all of creation, the other taiji in where ones law makes them outside of all of creation. This law is called color, that is determined by a person's thoughts. I want to do, what I want to do. Such a prayer and wish, in other words what one calls craving, are the driving force that generates Taiji. Therefore, this what can be said to fit into a mold. One's symbol with their craving (color), it is nothing but an act to determine the state of the universe that one wishes for. He understood that. Understanding it therefore Yakou Madara thinks. He had made this deduction with near certainty before the Eastern Expedition, that fact turned out to be true. If so, then there is only one thing left. What is one's craving (color)? What is the wish that defines my universe? If this hurdle can be overcome, Yakou will reach the Truth of Taiji. Since he has reached that place from the start, he just has to decide on what to do. It seems extremely simple. But, Yakou doesn't know what his craving (it) is. Something he madly desires, Koga Rindou says that the form of his soul cannot be seen. In the first place, the sequential order of his situation is wrong. To reach Taiji, one must have a wish. If one doesn't have an ideal they yearn for in their heart, they cannot reach it.
Even though, Yakou reached it without a thought.
太極とは何ぞやと言われれば、端的に法則と言うしかない。 すなわちその世界における絶対法であり、そうした決まり事を定めた張本人を指す。 無論、世に法則といったものは無限に近く存在するし、それら一つ一つが太極というわけではない。 現実に刃物は切るという法則を帯びているし、火は燃やすという法則がある。水中の法則ならば肺呼吸ができないというものであろうし、そうした細々としたものは単なる物理だ。 重要なのは規模、密度。その法を構成する単位が宇宙という規格であり、ゆえにそれのみをもって独立した世界となり得るものを太極と定義する。 何も難しい話ではない。前述した水中の法が太極と化したなら、全宇宙が水底に変わるというだけのこと。もしくは、宇宙を砕く領域の法でなければ蒸発も凍結もしない水が誕生するだけのこと。 前者を覇道。後者を求道。 己が法則で森羅万象を制圧する太極と、己が法則のみ森羅万象から外れるという太極である。 この法を色と呼び、それを決定するのは人の想念。我は何々がしたい、何々になりたい。そうした祈りや願い、つまり渇望と言われるものが、太極を発生させる原動力となる。 よって、型に嵌めるとはそういうことだ。己を象徴する渇望(いろ)をもって、自らが願う宇宙の在り様を決定する行為に他ならない。 それは分かった。分かったゆえに摩多羅夜行は考える。 これまでのことは確信に近い推論として東征前から立てており、事実その通りだったと判明した。ならばもう、後に残っているのはただ一つしかないだろう。 己の渇望(いろ)とは？ 我が宇宙を定義する願いとは？ その壁さえ乗り越えれば、夜行は真実の太極へ至れるだろう。最初からその場所へ達しているのだから、後は何がしたいのかを定めるのみ。至極簡単なことに思える。 しかし、夜行には渇望(それ)が何か分からない。狂おしく希求する何某か、久雅竜胆が言う魂の形というものが見えぬのだ。 そもそもからして、彼の場合は順番が狂っている。太極に至るなら、まず何よりも願いありき。己が理想に焦がれる心を持ってなければ、そこに達することなど出来はしない。 だというのに、夜行は想い無くしてなぜか届いた。
If one were to be asked on what Taiji is, the only way to say it concisely is that it is the law. In other words it is the absolute law of the world, and is identified as the originator who set these laws. Of course, there are a near infinite amount of laws that exist, and not one of them is Taiji. In reality things that cut are imbued with a law, there is a law in where fire burns. If the underwater's law is the inability to breath through their lungs, such details are mere physics. What is important is the scale, and density. Those laws that constitutes the scale of the universe is said to be the norm, therefore by definition those who obtain Taiji become an independent world. There isn't anything difficult about this talk. If the aforementioned underwater's law transforms into Taiji, the entire universe will transform into a wattery bottom. Or, if the law's domain doesn't shatter the universe it would give birth to water that doesn't freeze or evaporate. The former is Hadou (Law that expands through the universe. The latter is Gudou (law that goes inward). It is a taiji where ones law oppresses all of creation, the other taiji in where ones law makes them outside of all of creation. This law is called color, that is determined by a person's thoughts. I want to do, what I want to do. Such a prayer and wish, in other words what one calls craving, are the driving force that generates Taiji. Therefore, this what can be said to fit into a mold. One's symbol with their craving (color), it is nothing but an act to determine the state of the universe that one wishes for. He understood that. Understanding it therefore Yakou Madara thinks. He had made this deduction with near certainty before the Eastern Expedition, that fact turned out to be true. If so, then there is only one thing left. What is one's craving (color)? What is the wish that defines my universe? If this hurdle can be overcome, Yakou will reach the Truth of Taiji. Since he has reached that place from the start, he just has to decide on what to do. It seems extremely simple. But, Yakou doesn't know what his craving (it) is. Something he madly desires, Koga Rindou says that the form of his soul cannot be seen. In the first place, the sequential order of his situation is wrong. To reach Taiji, one must have a wish. If one doesn't have an ideal they yearn for in their heart, they cannot reach it.
Even though, Yakou reached it without a thought.
We can see here that Yakou refers that every law and phenomenon that isn't the godhead isn't Taiji. Taiji is the originator of things like yin and yang which should be duality as a whole and its not like duality dies when Mithra was killed in her fight against Muzan. So what gives? Well to put it simply, when a god ascends their wish turns that law or thing in the universe into a taiji law thus elevating it. Yakou gives examples that normally water or fire would do whatever it does. Imbue it with Taiji then its properties and aspects change the universe around it. He then later illustrates to obtain true taiji a wish is needed. This is true for the series as people like Ren wants time to stop and stagnate. Its not like time didn't exist but Ren's wish elevated it into a god's territory. So something like Duality would still exist but Mithra's wish elevated it.
Counterarguments I can think in 3 seconds:
"But Mithra had one duality missing in the final battle which is wrath"
You are right on this...except firstly Quinn notes only that was missing while the other infinite dualities that was previously stated would still remain including that reality fiction duality since it states all.
"But Mithra has a commandment so she can't be above it"
Issue again is not only Mithra is doing this on purpose, she practically elevated that law to be a throne/taiji law. If not it would have meant nothing since God's are their very laws and everything. No god is subjected to anything less than a taiji law be it Gudou or Hadou so her needing to keep her anger in check doesn't mean the gods are not above all things that isn't taiji including a non-taiji/Big Bang Imbued duality.
"But there is only a near infinite amount of laws"
And not a single one is Taiji. Remember a law needs to be imbued with a wish and craving that makes a taiji law possible. Your wish is important, the result is whatever is the result. Reinhard's wish is to "love all of creation" which is to destroy and ressurect everyone in a never ending war. Or Ren's wish to "this moment to last forever" which results in stagnation and time stop and such. So it doesn't matter how many laws there are, infinite or close to it, Taiji is above all concepts and laws that exist there even every duality there is. It only works if its a taiji law vs a taiji law.
"But what about Vahram? He dies (sorta) and is interactable"
Vahram only has the perspective of Zero. He only SEES everyone as a storybook and character so they don't feel real to him. Once he gains that power, he is elevated to a god's level and even states can "finally drag them to his side". So it's clear Aeon enables his perspective and power to match when it didn't at the time.
Tldr; Yakou's explanation is anything that isn't a godhead isn't a taiji law. To get to a god's domain and the throne, a wish and craving must be made to the point of insanity. And that wish and craving results in a law of the universe being elevated to the throne's level and domain to spread all over creation or exist outside of it. All forms of Duality would naturally be part of reality and everything has a front and back side. Normally no law would be taiji but Mithra's wish resulted in something like duality being elevated as a god's law. So as such the throne is above everything the universe has even all dualities with the gods who can reach said throne reaching the same heights, transcending it all normally. Unless all dualities (which should include a reality-fiction duality with the amount of analogies on how the gods view everything below the throne), are imbued with Taiji like in the case of mithra, they would be transcended by a god.
Why I made this thing? I'm bored. Don't know if the summary made enough sense and I just wanted what's nagging at me to finally be answered lmfao.
