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Shigeo Kageyama vs Saiki Kusuo

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Shigeo Kageyama vs Saiki Kusuo

The SK espers that don't give a lot on their powers duke it out.

6-C Saiki without limiters vs High 6-C ???% Shigeo

Will keep speed unequal for now, since Mob has the AP advantage, but might equalize if necessary.
 
How good is

  • Mindhax
  • Reality Warping
  • Precog
Otherwise Mob sort of just passively absorbs his energy and crushes/twists him apart with a thought due to a ~10x AP advantage.

Although IDK if precog can help you not get ripped apart by TK.

Speedwise ???% Mob is > 100% Touichirou > 80% Touichirou, who is Mach 16k, while Saiki is 85k, which would be 5x without the scaling (Probably more like 3x-4x with the scaling considered). Probably not enough to blitz a thought-based action but fast enough to make projectile attacks useless.

Only reliable way Saiki wins here nonwithstanding reality warping and mindhax is rewinding Mob before ???%, which IDK how in-character it is for him to open with.
 
Saiki's mindhax and reality warp are planetary level


And without his limiters this is a common move for him to start in character
 
As in, he has planetary range or can affect the population of the entire planet? Mob resists from someone who could mindhax a city and later a country.

Mob's first move would be to twist Saiki apart with TK in this key; although Mob has passive forcefields protecting him as well as he passively drains energy from Saiki. Considering the AP gap Saiki might be entirely depowered should the match go on for too long.
 
Yes, his mindhax can affect the population of the entire planet


Thats true, but Saiki would immediately sense the danger in the situation he is(since he can see the future when bad things are about to happen) causing him to take off his glasses or just mindhax mob
 
Misogi2 said:
Thats true, but Saiki would immediately sense the danger in the situation he is(since he can see the future when bad things are about to happen) causing him to take off his glasses or just mindhax mob
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If Saiki's first move is to take off his glasses Mob one-shots with TK before he can move his arm due to his TK being thought-based.

If Saiki's first move is to mindhax it should be incon as they both instantly win here.

In general Mob has an advantage with just passively absorbing Saiki's energy and replicating his psychic techniques.
 
Is this standard battle assumption or bloodlust?

Tbh I don't see Saiki pulling off glasses so much. It isn't really his go-to move. He'll definitely use it once his glasses are broken though.

Mindhaxx is passive but Mob has resisted mind haxx before, one that commanderered Japan or a city.
 
Mob is naturally bloodlusted in this state.

>mindhax is passive

>mindhaxxed a planet apparently

If both of those are true this match is probably a stomp in favor of Saiki.
 
He never really uses the mind haxx against others though so would that just be PIS? It seems more like a passive "Ignore the widely colored hair of some people"

Oh yeah ???%
 
Nah, Saiki can mind control the population of earth to do whatever.

It's not passive, but with his limiter removed he might straight up mind control the entire planet by accident, which is one of the reasons he usually doesn't remove his limiters (and hence also not use this power).
 
So it would have to be active, then. Mob's best resistance feat is God Dimple haxxing an entire city and potentially a country over time, it was implied to keep going from there but an upper limit wasn't really stated.

So what would be his first move, typically, in this key?
 
When he has his limiters remove vastly random things happen though. But yeah without limiter it isn't passive.

Didn't dimple succeed in the span of a day or so?

Honestly err, probably try out TK and his other abilities? Not sure.
 
Well, what his first move would be is kinda hard to tell. The manga is comedy, not fighting, hence we don't really have fightning feats.

For one thing Saiki has very strong passive telepathy, meaning he would know anything Mob plans on doing.

Something he commonly does when suprised or in "danger" is to just teleport far away. Like, the other end of the planet, far.

Then there is the real possibility of him just using mind control by accident.

Aside from that... whatever Saiki deems the most appropiate solution, I guess. He is rather pragmatic when it comes to his powers.

For example: Even though he doesn't like using mind control due to its risk, he has in the past made use of it to help a classmate.

Or he rewound time of the entire planet by a year, to prevent a vulcano eruption.
 
For telepathy I'm not sure how it would work with ???% Mob, as he's technically unconcious. He could read Mob and Shigeo I guess but neither of them are really controlling the body.

Technically speaking if the teleportation is an esper ability Mob can duplicate it as teleportation is already a power in-verse. IDK if ???% Mob would copy techniques like Base or 100% Mob does though as he's unconcious.

Fair enough. I can't see Mob resisting it if it works on a planet's population.

Yeah, and ???% Mob is pretty straightforward. He would just haphazardly destroy everything around him, meaning his first move would be crushing/twisting apart Saiki with TK, alongside passively absorbing his psychic energy among other things.

Time Rewind would hard-counter ???% Mob assuming it sends him back into Base.
 
The volcanic eruption still makes me think that Saiki needs a nerf. Agreeing with your points though. Makes sense on the teleport away. And yeah unconscious, but I think Saiki would run away anyway.

I'd say it's not a good idea to speculate what Mob can do and usually you can apply that to most abilities like what Teruki does, but teleportation is far too different.

Though I'm wondering if mind haxx would work considering Mob was stuck for what's essentially a year and managed to stave off that exorcist spirit.
 
I mean, there's literally a guy in the verse that uses teleportation to move around.
 
I don't deny that, but I'm not saying Shigeo would probably know how to do that or learn so easily in comparison to say shoving energy into plants
 
Fair point. He also learns astral projection, something more complex, in a short amount of time, although he had difficulty pulling it off.
 
That's fair game. That said both of those were out of his ???% form, but then again by the end of his game his ???% and his regular self is combined so I guess he can do both..
 
We never actually see Mob do stuff with 100%/???% after the ???% arc, so IDK if we can assume that though. He does combine them but we never really see what that means.
 
Bump.

I'm personally leaning on inconclusive for this as both open with thought based actions that instantly kill the other.
 
With his speed that is much faster than Mob Saiki can throw him out of the world in the blink of an eye, as he did with Lava from volcanoes and Mob will die from without Self-Sustenance Type 1. Because Mob cannot breathe in space
Saiki feat 1112
Try to imagine that the volcanic lava is Mob.

Hax + Petrification + Reverse time + Reality Warping + Memory Manipulation + Age Manipulation + Time Manipulation

I still think that Saiki can easily defeat him with his intelligence.


Saiki gets the vote from me
 
Actually Saiki teleports the lava, not lifts it.

Saiki has easily lifted Sky Scrapers when younger.

It's not really that lifting strength is all that's relevant when it comes to launching things. You can launch something by AP (hit with KE and stuff).
 
I am myself You are you said:
With his speed that is much faster than Mob Saiki can throw him out of the world in the blink of an eye
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I am myself You are you said:
as he did with Lava from volcanoes and Mob will die from without Self-Sustenance Type 1. Because Mob cannot breathe in space ]Hax + Petrification + Reverse time + Reality Warping + Memory Manipulation + Age Manipulation + Time Manipulation
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Saiki wouldn't really have the opportunity to pull any of that off if Mob crushes or rips him apart with a thought-based action.

The only reason Mob isn't winning here is that Saiki also has some thought-based wincons.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Actually Saiki teleports the lava, not lifts it.

Saiki has easily lifted Sky Scrapers when younger.
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That... is not that impressive compared to Mob's feats.

DontTalkDT said:
It's not really that lifting strength is all that's relevant when it comes to launching things. You can launch something by AP (hit with KE and stuff).
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It sort of is when Mob can hold himself in place with TK and has stopped himself from flying off from attacks with it before.
 
@Litentric: It's not possible to hit a human or similar with island level telekinesis and it just takes damage without being send flying.

Imagine it like an explosive vs a crane.

An explosive can launch things, but it can not really lift them up continously.

A crane on the other hand can lift things permanently, but is not as powerful as explosives.

Strength and Energy are related, though of course not equivalent.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
It sort of is when Mob can hold himself in place with TK and has stopped himself from flying off from attacks with it before.
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Oh, I don't mean to say that Saiki can send Mob flying.
 
The problem being Mob's forcefields which would absorb the shock of the attack and just empower Mob. If Saiki tries attacking Mob with anything that is based on esper/psychic abilities it would just get absorbed. The only stuff that wouldn't is hax that Mob hasn't previously delt with, such as Saiki's mind based powers.

And again Mob can use his TK on himself to keep him in place.
 
@Donttalk

I was really referring to the example with the buildings. Saiki has to lift them up before throwing them, which is a LS feat right there. I made no comment on anything else, and was more so asking why he doesn't have a LS rating on his profile in spite of the example given.
 
Saiki takes my vote FRA.

Mr. Haxed has generally more offensive hax than Mob. His Precog would get him bloodlusted most likely. Also reality warp/mind manipulation, petrification...

If speed not equalized it's a stomp. If equalized, still in Saiki's favor, through some effort though.
 
Saiki having more offensive hax doesn't make much of a difference when Mob can twist him apart with a thought.

Even with speed unequalized this is the case. It's a thought-based action versus a thought-based action; and the speed gap isn't honestly that impressive.
 
Thing about his precog. It's not always turned on for him and it's usually treated as a hassle in fact. Just wanted to add that.
 
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