Shapers Ripples CRT + Extras

[Hayato5652]

Ishmael is not bound by space-time, but this could mean that he is not limited by space-time, or dimensions at all, and is completely separate from them, If that is the case, she could qualify for Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

On another note, what should be denoted for the Fog? Since it does lack time

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Ishmael is not bound by space-time, but this could mean that he is not limited by space-time, or dimensions at all, and is completely separate from them, If that is the case, she could qualify for Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.

Well, if that is indeed the case I will keep that in mind thank you. For now, I'll just remove the proposal though

 

[Hayato5652]

On another note, what should be denoted for the Fog? Since it does lack time

it should be carefully examined whether The Fog is also completely separate and independent from space and dimensional structure, not just time. Simply lacking time does not automatically mean complete independence from spacetime.

a solid argument or evidence should be provided to support any claim about its dimensional status.

For now, we should focus on this thread.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I think you misunderstand, it's not just a fancy way of saying the structure is infinite, all of spacetime is just a map in the dimension. With the Fog then being behind the Gate.

"No concept of beginning or ending" is saying the place has infinite size.

In the scan, it only states time is trivialized, not space. It also doesn't say anything about the structure itself having no space. A Low 1-C structure would consider a Low 2-C's time and space irrelevant but still have its own space, for instance.

Plus, there is still the issue of the Fog being stated to have dimensions.

I'm not so sure about that, the page states "Portrayal-wise, they could also be shown viewing a lesser plane as fiction, thus ontologically transcending its dimensions, while still operating on a higher notion of dimensionality native to their greater reality."

This is referencing BDE Type 2, not Type 1.

It also does go on to say "in majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless." Which means exceptions wherein they are not timeless and spaceless should exist.

I can only see this bit being relevant for 1-A characters, as they can have their own subjective form of space and time related to their level of existence, and Low 1-A characters who are the sum total of all possible dimensional spaces (as they aren't necessarily spaceless/timeless but still have BDE2). Either way, it wouldn't be relevant for BDE1 which is always the lack of space and time (with no superiority).

On another note, what should be denoted for the Fog? Since it does lack time

I dont think we inherently list anything for timeless places. Maybe resistance to time manipulation for whoever is able to move inside it.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

it should be carefully examined whether The Fog is also completely separate and independent from space and dimensional structure, not just time. Simply lacking time does not automatically mean complete independence from spacetime.

a solid argument or evidence should be provided to support any claim about its dimensional status.

For now, we should focus on this thread.

Well of course, the examination of that is something I'll go more in detail with in another CRT centered on it

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

"No concept of beginning or ending" is saying the place has infinite size.

In the scan, it only states time is trivialized, not space. It also doesn't say anything about the structure itself having no space. A Low 1-C structure would consider a Low 2-C's time and space irrelevant but still have its own space, for instance.

Space is also trivialized, Lee's view is unrestricted by spatial rules when he enters the Gate. However, yeah there is no mention about it completely lacking space it just trivializes space and allows Lee who's ascended beyond the spacetime-continuum to see everything.

Plus, there is still the issue of the Fog being stated to have dimensions.

Yeah, true

This is referencing BDE Type 2, not Type 1.

I can only see this bit being relevant for 1-A characters, as they can have their own subjective form of space and time related to their level of existence, and Low 1-A characters who are the sum total of all possible dimensional spaces (as they aren't necessarily spaceless/timeless but still have BDE2). Either way, it wouldn't be relevant for BDE1 which is always the lack of space and time (with no superiority).

Does that mean all characters who are L1A would have BDE Type 2 by default?

I dont think we inherently list anything for timeless places. Maybe resistance to time manipulation for whoever is able to move inside it.

Alright I'm fine with that, I'll wait for more people's feedback and see if everyone comes to a similar conclusion as this

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does that mean all characters who are L1A would have BDE Type 2 by default?

Yes.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yes.

Alright, thanks for the info and feedback I really appreciate it. Thought I was doomed to wait ages for a staff reply with Reiner busy and all

 

[Hayato5652]

Does that mean there's an agree vote from a staff member?

Given the recent conversations, should a separate thread be posted about BDE Type 2?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Does that mean there's an agree vote from a staff member?

Given the recent conversations, should a separate thread be posted about BDE Type 2?

Seems they agree with everything apart from the BDE1 which I am gonna revoke anyways, also no. The BDE type 2 was just an off topic question, has no correlation to this crt lol

 

[Reiner04]

I'm fine with Oblivion's evaluation.

 

[Hayato5652]

Excusme, How many agree votes from staff members are needed for the thread to be accepted?

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Excusme, How many agree votes from staff members are needed for the thread to be accepted?

At least 2.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Cuz this is L1C it's 3, iirc

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[Reiner04]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808 your opinion will be appreciated

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm with Oblivion's evaluation.

 

[Hayato5652]

I think we should wait 48 hours for the changes to take effect

 

[Reiner04]

I think we should wait 48 hours for the changes to take effect

48 hours are counted from creation of thread, it has been long passed.

 

[Hayato5652]

So he it can apply the changes.

 

[Reiner04]

Closing