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Sendokai Champions Discussion thread

Alexander said:
man that will be hard, since it is far away and the size is sometimes not that..."consistent" to say the least...if you want you could compare it to the mountain on the background
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Bad news, that's not possible. Dragonite said it's too far away and there's no reference point to use an angle.

The only option is to check with a calc staff to see if there are any fair estimates/assumptions we can use, since we're running out of options.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Bad news, that's not possible. Dragonite said it's too far away and there's no reference point to use an angle.

The only option is to check with a calc staff to see if there are any fair estimates/assumptions we can use, since we're running out of options.
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MAN WHY IS THIS SO HARD (and we are not even reaching the hardest parts of the scaling later)
 
Alexander said:
MAN WHY IS THIS SO HARD (and we are not even reaching the hardest parts of the scaling later)
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The hardest thing is starting verses from scratch without support from calculus experts.

I had difficulties bringing Club Penguin to the wiki, and that's Club Penguin (I can't abbreviate it).

We'll be lucky to get some calculus this year.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
The hardest thing is starting verses from scratch without support from calculus experts.

I had difficulties bringing Club Penguin to the wiki, and that's Club Penguin (I can't abbreviate it).

We'll be lucky to get some calculus this year.
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well the year is already ending in 9 days
 
Kiet geo sen shockwave could either be vibration or explosion manipulation
 
While we wait, let's list Sen-kun's P&A points and finish the verse page.

If it's not a problem, I'll edit the verse page.
 
okay, for the P&A for the verse (in general, since everyone can use the sen abilities, they just need to actually LEARN how to use them...and have the correct equipment...wait i could have just put in the nature of Sen itself has a UES and that's it)
  1. Sen manipulation (which is the most basic thing you need)
  2. Acrobatics (they all have super jump, can do backflips and dodge stuff and such)
  3. Martial Arts (Sendokai is basically a way to fight)
  4. Aura (everyone has it)
  5. Non-physical interaction (the sen can allow you to maintain portals, that can either allow you to travel across dimensions or space-time, the Senkuns use the Nero Sen Fusion to hold the time portal that Chronam-Yatt created)
  6. Empowerment (the sen abilities are tied to the emotions)
  7. Enhanced senses (in the narrative 4, it is shown that the senkuns can sense the energy of others, while they close their eyes)
  8. Dimensional travel (if you want, put it has limited, since they can all travel across the multiverse with the portals...and Tanpo can also change the destination of the portals)
 
General P&A
Sen Manipulation (It can manipulate Sen energy, the energy of life)
Martial Arts (Practice Sendokai, an ancient art practiced throughout the multiverse, a combat that measures mastery of Sen energy)

Techniques
Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction with Visión Yao-Sen (Allows the user to see the sen energy of all beings surrounding them, as well as predict the target's movements and see invisible beings)

Equipment
Brazaletes Sen
Brazaletes Cronsen
Armaduras
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
General P&A
Sen Manipulation (It can manipulate Sen energy, the energy of life)
Martial Arts (Practice Sendokai, an ancient art practiced throughout the multiverse, a combat that measures mastery of Sen energy)

Techniques
Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction with Visión Yao-Sen (Allows the user to see the sen energy of all beings surrounding them, as well as predict the target's movements and see invisible beings)

Equipment
Brazaletes Sen
Brazaletes Cronsen
Armaduras
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Obviously, this should be in English since there is a official name on English, the videos however, I think they are fine in Spanish (the ones who try to understanded are ******).
 
Also I think it is better to put it into the sandbox so I can see it and edited there
 
I alone, SHOULD BE THE ONE IN CHARGE OF THIS:
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Sendokai Champions - TV Tropes

SenkunsClick to expand. Zak, Chloe, Kiet, Fenzy, Lon Allies Click to expand.Tänpo, Lula, Lalith, Kento, Kido, Danima, Keenan and Keeway, Chronam-Sunn Villains Click to expand.Kazkrad, Sidmodius, Chronam-Yatt, Kaiboy, Lon's …
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Honestly, this new 3D is really bad. Like, not in the sense of being badly done, it's well done, it's just that the characters are very strange.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Honestly, this new 3D is really bad. Like, not in the sense of being badly done, it's well done, it's just that the characters are very strange.
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it makes sense, the style is different because from season 2 to 3, there are 10 years apart, most styles in 3D are not neccesarely going to be maintained for more than a decade or so.
but in other news, ZAK HAS A IMMEASURABLE AMOUNT OF AURA
 
Honestly, don't you know anyone who could do the calculations?

Like, we only need one calculation for the 3 stats to start making the profiles.

We could start with Zak and Lon.

Then Marshal Zorn and Sidimodius.

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Honestly, those two above will have decent hax with the Sestrad Box. Absorption, power nullification, transmutation, and corruption.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Honestly, don't you know anyone who could do the calculations?
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maybe i could asks someone in the Tasty Planet calculation?or something
Phsccarvalho said:
Like, we only need one calculation for the 3 stats to start making the profiles.
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i am wondering about speed too.
Phsccarvalho said:
We could start with Zak and Lon.

Then Marshal Zorn and Sidimodius.

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Honestly, those two above will have decent hax with the Sestrad Box. Absorption, power nullification, transmutation, and corruption.
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*Sestrad Chest
and probably a Universe level feat (since the Sestrad chest is considered the most powerful and dangerous weapon, and there is a war where two dimensions were destroyed...but to be clear, it is said that King Nustrad does not exists, and the nustrad chest has nothing on it, we know, however, that the Sestrad chest is real and so king sestrad must be real too, which applies the same to his dimension being destroyed).
actually yeah, lets talk about the possible Universe level feats in the show.
 
Alexander said:
maybe i could asks someone in the Tasty Planet calculation?or something

i am wondering about speed too.

*Sestrad Chest
and probably a Universe level feat (since the Sestrad chest is considered the most powerful and dangerous weapon, and there is a war where two dimensions were destroyed...but to be clear, it is said that King Nustrad does not exists, and the nustrad chest has nothing on it, we know, however, that the Sestrad chest is real and so king sestrad must be real too, which applies the same to his dimension being destroyed).
actually yeah, lets talk about the possible Universe level feats in the show.
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I don't recall any universal feat.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't recall any universal feat.
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I can name a few of them (they are not necessarily feats, but i think it is important to point them out)
-Sestrad chest is implied to have destroyed the dimension of King Nustrad
-the Zorn Empire can steal the energy of entire dimensions and leave them devastated (Tanpo in episode 5 says that the Maub dimension was withering away).
-the Zorn fortress contained the sen of all the energy stolen in the multiverse (stated by Lalith, who was part of the empire for 10000 years, and she clearly knows every dimension that was conquered by the Zorn)
-Chronam-Yatt was able to make a shield that protected her and Sidmodius from the sen explosion of the fortress (and also she sent the fortress into the past)
-Hundreds of thousands of the Zorn androids survived the fortress exploding (or at least, the elite one's survived it, since in the narrative 2, it was shown that many of them survived and they decided to just travel through the multiverse to be thieves)
-The Cronek twins are capable of manipulating space and time (in Episode 51, where she told Lon that she is able to manipulate space and time, and since the verse clearly has a UES, this means that she scales to her own energy usage, because all techniques are sen based).
-It is stated that the Nero Sen fusion will give you a unlimited amount of power if you are able to find the perfect compenetration (this gets tricky since it was shown that it lost against Sidyaki...but Sidyaki is the fusion of Sidmodius+Sestrad chest+Chronam-yatt fused with Chronam-Sunn, who is a goodess of evil and good)
I think those are all of them, unless off course, you want to debate them.
 
Alexander said:
-the Zorn Empire can steal the energy of entire dimensions and leave them devastated (Tanpo in episode 5 says that the Maub dimension was withering away).
-the Zorn fortress contained the sen of all the energy stolen in the multiverse (stated by Lalith, who was part of the empire for 10000 years, and she clearly knows every dimension that was conquered by the Zorn)
-Chronam-Yatt was able to make a shield that protected her and Sidmodius from the sen explosion of the fortress (and also she sent the fortress into the past)
-Hundreds of thousands of the Zorn androids survived the fortress exploding (or at least, the elite one's survived it, since in the narrative 2, it was shown that many of them survived and they decided to just travel through the multiverse to be thieves)
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Sen energy is the energy of life; absorbing all the sen energy from a place is simply absorbing the vital energy of that place. Absorbing all the life energy of a dimension does not translate into universal power or anything of the sort. It would be like saying that absorbing all the energy of living beings on planet Earth would give someone planetary power.

You are using the expression "withering away" literally in the sense of destruction when that is not the case. The expression is used for plants that wilt and lose their life/vitality. This simply means that the dimension is dying, which makes sense, since, well, they are absorbing the life energy from the place.

The sheer size of the explosion already gives us that indication.

Alexander said:
-The Cronek twins are capable of manipulating space and time (in Episode 51, where she told Lon that she is able to manipulate space and time, and since the verse clearly has a UES, this means that she scales to her own energy usage, because all techniques are sen based).
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Manipulating spacetime is just hax; the UES would only matter if that hacking were destructive. Chloe also manipulates spacetime, and it's not universal.

It would be like saying that someone who can manipulate spacetime to stop time is universally powerful because they can stop time for the entire universe and because it's universally effective. That's not how it works.

Alexander said:
-It is stated that the Nero Sen fusion will give you a unlimited amount of power if you are able to find the perfect compenetration (this gets tricky since it was shown that it lost against Sidyaki...but Sidyaki is the fusion of Sidmodius+Sestrad chest+Chronam-yatt fused with Chronam-Sunn, who is a goodess of evil and good)
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Or you know, "hiberbole," something commonly used with the word "unlimited."
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Sen energy is the energy of life; absorbing all the sen energy from a place is simply absorbing the vital energy of that place. Absorbing all the life energy of a dimension does not translate into universal power or anything of the sort. It would be like saying that absorbing all the energy of living beings on planet Earth would give someone planetary power.
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Sen energy is also the energy that all things possesed, and it is also shown that it works for energy (since it allows people to charge their machinery)so clearly it is not just energy of life, but it is energy in general...i think that was obvious.
Phsccarvalho said:
You are using the expression "withering away" literally in the sense of destruction when that is not the case. The expression is used for plants that wilt and lose their life/vitality. This simply means that the dimension is dying, which makes sense, since, well, they are absorbing the life energy from the place.
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which yeah, i think it still counts the same way, like Danima even showed a example with a flower dying after it's sen gets extracted (has a example about Yakis)and the flowers die.
the reason why i count it is because...well, you still pretty much die, if all the energy of earth is taken away, and earth becomes a wasteland with no life, that should still scale...kinda.
Phsccarvalho said:
The sheer size of the explosion already gives us that indication.
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I don't think we should take the size of the explosions has indicators of how much power there is contained, since it is said that Do's absorb the sen energy and become stronger thanks to that (actually it is a good way to explain why they don't explode with the sheer strenght)
Phsccarvalho said:
Manipulating spacetime is just hax; the UES would only matter if that hacking were destructive. Chloe also manipulates spacetime, and it's not universal.
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Cloe space-time manipulation works differently, she uses hers to multiple herself across space and time (possibly across a infinite amount of moments in time), while Chronam-Yatt and Chronam-Sunn use their powers to fight.
Phsccarvalho said:
It would be like saying that someone who can manipulate spacetime to stop time is universally powerful because they can stop time for the entire universe and because it's universally effective. That's not how it works.
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thanks for the example that to be honest it will be cool that the show adds it
Phsccarvalho said:
Or you know, "hiberbole," something commonly used with the word "unlimited."
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i take it, but Sen energy is powerful enough (?) to allow ships to travel across interdimensional distances...without any need to teleport or open portals, like it was shown in two instances that one of the ships can travel to other dimensions without needing portals.
 
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this sounds almost like a stupid question even for someone with the knowledge of the verse...but man, how much energy does a universe generate per second?
 
Alexander said:
Sen energy is also the energy that all things possesed, and it is also shown that it works for energy (since it allows people to charge their machinery)so clearly it is not just energy of life, but it is energy in general...i think that was obvious.
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Yes, but it's an abstract energy, not something more solid like heat/electricity. So we only know the value of energy when it's used in machinery as a power source to cause destruction (like cannon fire).

Alexander said:
which yeah, i think it still counts the same way, like Danima even showed a example with a flower dying after it's sen gets extracted (has a example about Yakis)and the flowers die.
the reason why i count it is because...well, you still pretty much die, if all the energy of earth is taken away, and earth becomes a wasteland with no life, that should still scale...kinda.
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Yes, living things die, but the Earth still remains; removing all its energy doesn't make it disappear.

Therefore, saying that the dimension is "withering away" doesn't mean anything universal; it's simply the life of the dimension dying. The dimension won't be destroyed or anything like that.

Alexander said:
I don't think we should take the size of the explosions has indicators of how much power there is contained, since it is said that Do's absorb the sen energy and become stronger thanks to that (actually it is a good way to explain why they don't explode with the sheer strenght)
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Do release energy when they hit something (they don't retain the absorbed sen forever), they even create sen explosions.

Alexander said:
Cloe space-time manipulation works differently, she uses hers to multiple herself across space and time (possibly across a infinite amount of moments in time), while Chronam-Yatt and Chronam-Sunn use their powers to fight.
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But they still don't use it for destruction. UES doesn't benefit from all existing haxs.

Especially the more abstract ones. It would be the same as if someone used space hax to erase a mountain; the most you gain with UES is greater range or a "tier x with EE". Even with UES, this classification doesn't extend to the rest of the physical attacks.

Alexander said:
i take it, but Sen energy is powerful enough (?) to allow ships to travel across interdimensional distances...without any need to teleport or open portals, like it was shown in two instances that one of the ships can travel to other dimensions without needing portals.
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And none of this relates to infinite power.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Yes, but it's an abstract energy, not something more solid like heat/electricity. So we only know the value of energy when it's used in machinery as a power source to cause destruction (like cannon fire).
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Not that Abstract if we know it can used to power up things like that, then it works like heat/electricity, or any form of energy that could be used (In the narrative 3th, it was stated that the sen energy was also used like steam)
Phsccarvalho said:
Yes, living things die, but the Earth still remains; removing all its energy doesn't make it disappear.

Therefore, saying that the dimension is "withering away" doesn't mean anything universal; it's simply the life of the dimension dying. The dimension won't be destroyed or anything like that.
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Although I would say it should be the same, because if this kills the entire dimension, in the sense that all the essence that is everywhere is no longer there, that would be equivalent, even if the place itself were not destroyed.
like imagine leaving all the planets and stars without their energy, won't that amount to something?
Phsccarvalho said:
Do release energy when they hit something (they don't retain the absorbed sen forever), they even create sen explosions.
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Yes but even they don't do it in correlation to the quantity of Sen energy, it is more on the user's control of the ability, when Zak failed at using the Sho Sen fire, there was a explosion and the Do was also left completely deflated and "death".
In comparison, when they do techniques that have more power than the Sho Sen Fire (like the duo techniques or Sidmodius with its super modes)the Do is not destroyed, instead, the energy is so great that they break the Sen rock shields and even the Sen rock itself.
Phsccarvalho said:
But they still don't use it for destruction. UES doesn't benefit from all existing haxs.
Especially the more abstract ones. It would be the same as if someone used space hax to erase a mountain; the most you gain with UES is greater range or a "tier x with EE". Even with UES, this classification doesn't extend to the rest of the physical attacks.
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I could understand that, I think this will just give them range in power (like maybe Multiverse level in range?).
why did it took you so long to replay?
 
In the narrative 4 it is said that there is a barrier of Sen that covers the entire dimension of the vortex, even the narrative itself says that the barrier covers the firmament (meaning that it does not only cover the planet, but space itself).
now this will mean that there is enough Sen energy to cover a entire dimension.
 
the year ended, it was a good year for Sendokai fans in general...this year will be OUR TRUE YEAR
 
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