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“Second Time Killing the Clown.”; Hank J Wimbleton vs Pennywise the Dancing Clown (Madness Combat vs The Dark Tower)

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THE PROTAGONIST VS THE EATER OF WORLDS

Da Rules

Hank’s Mag Hank Key is used.
Pennywise’s Manifestation Key and 9-B scaling is used.

Pennywise is given prior knowledge about Hank’s Immortality Negation.

Speed is equalized.

The battle takes place within Derry, Maine.

The distance between the two fighters is 20 meters.

There are weapons scattered across the battlefield for Hank to use, ranging from but not limited to the weapons within Hank’s Standard Equipment, as well as any Firearms and Melee Weapons canonically used within the Madness Combat Series.

The Personification of Fear:

The Badass Killing Machine:

Tricky butts in AGAIN. (Incon):

Note: If anyone knows how to put photos in on mobile pls tell me how to do it
 
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bio hax ggs
Probability manip ggs

Hanks immortal negation shouldn't even work since PWs true form is ridiculously layered into high 1-A

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bio hax ggs
Probability manip ggs

Hanks immortal negation shouldn't even work since PWs true form is ridiculously layered into high 1-A

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Would any of the other Pennywises be a fairer match for Hank?

Also, I thought the MAG Agents’ Limited Bio Manip resistance would at least be enough to resist it? Even then, couldn’t Hank just come back if he’s killed by the Bio Hax? Or even just Regen from it?

As for the Probability Manip, does Penny even USE that offensively or at least in a similar way Tricky does?

Edit: Even if Hank can’t kill the Deadlights, his Immortality Neg would be more than enough to kill the avatar, which is what’s being used here. Just the death of the avatar was enough to count as a win for the Losers within both the Book and in the profile itself.
 
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Would any of the other Pennywises be a fairer match for Hank?

Also, I thought the MAG Agents’ Limited Bio Manip resistance would at least be enough to resist it?
The limited resistance that mag agents have is due to them just being made of pure muscle and artificial skin. Any form of bio hax that can effect the muscles or artificial skin would still work which is why it's limited.

This isn't gonna stop pennywise from just opening up hanks previous injuries which would be an instant loss since some of hanks injuries include him being severely gored and outright killed such as when tricky literally rips his head off
Even then, couldn’t Hank just come back if he’s killed by the Bio Hax?
Hanks sfls are limited to like three iirc
Or even just Regen from it?
Low-mid regen won't help him here
As for the Probability Manip, does Penny even USE that offensively or at least in a similar way Tricky does?
Based on the profile pennywise simply existing was enough to cause all the explicable and inexplicable problems in someone's life which included giant disasters that killed thousands

Edit: Even if Hank can’t kill the Deadlights, his Immortality Neg would be more than enough to kill the avatar, which is what’s being used here. Just the death of the avatar was enough to count as a win for the Losers within both the Book and in the profile itself.
You do realize the avatar is an extension of the deadlights correct? Without immo neg if hank kills PW then the deadlights would just summon another one
 
The limited resistance that mag agents have is due to them just being made of pure muscle and artificial skin. Any form of bio hax that can effect the muscles or artificial skin would still work which is why it's limited.

This isn't gonna stop pennywise from just opening up hanks previous injuries which would be an instant loss since some of hanks injuries include him being severely gored and outright killed such as when tricky literally rips his head off

Hanks sfls are limited to like three iirc

Low-mid regen won't help him here

Based on the profile pennywise simply existing was enough to cause all the explicable and inexplicable problems in someone's life which included giant disasters that killed thousands


You do realize the avatar is an extension of the deadlights correct? Without immo neg if hank kills PW then the deadlights would just summon another one
1/2: Mmm, yeah that’s fair, Hank ain’t surviving that. Though is it something Penny would pull off rip? I get Penny would EVENTUALLY do it, but is it prone to using it fast enough to the point where all other factors are render moot?

3: I see.

4: Yeah Regen def wont help now.

5: I’m honestly kinda weary of this, I’m trying to read it myself but the pages on Imgur just aren’t showing for me. I’m doing some research and it looks like those horrible events are only linked to Pennywise waking up and going back into hibernation, which wouldn’t really matter here. Though I could be wrong on that.

6: But how long does that take? It DEFINITIVELY dies within the Novel when the Losers fight it a second time, which takes place at 1985. In a later book which chronologically takes place after IT (The Tommyknockers), it’s implied that Pennywise DOES come back like how you’re saying, with it saying and I quote (Idk how to show images here so I’ll just pull it directly out of the book) -

“…She had begun to flow copiously. By the time they had bought three car batteries and a good used truck battery in the Newport-Derry Town Line Auto Supply on Route 7, she had soaked four Stayfree Maxi-pads. Their heads began to ache, Tommy's worse than Hester's. By the time they had gotten half a dozen Allstate batteries at the Sears store and well over a hundred C, D, and double- and triple-A cells at the Derry Tru-Value Hardware (which had just gotten a new shipment in), they both knew they had to get back... quick. Tommy had begun to hallucinate; as he drove up Wentworth Street, he thought he saw a clown grinning up at him from an open sewer manhole - a clown with shiny silver dollars for eyes and a clenched white glove filled with balloons.”

Problem is, according to many cites, The Tommyknockers takes place in 1987. Two whole years AFTER the Losers kill IT. The SBA say that incapacitation for over a day is enough for a victory condition, two whole YEARS is more than enough for Hank.

Of course, if you still believe that this is a huge stomp in favor of Pennywise, please tell me if the other two would make a fairer match for Hank.
 
5: I’m honestly kinda weary of this, I’m trying to read it myself but the pages on Imgur just aren’t showing for me. I’m doing some research and it looks like those horrible events are only linked to Pennywise waking up and going back into hibernation, which wouldn’t really matter here. Though I could be wrong on that.
If pw is doing this by waking up then logically it would still work
6: But how long does that take? It DEFINITIVELY dies within the Novel when the Losers fight it a second time, which takes place at 1985. In a later book which chronologically takes place after IT (The Tommyknockers), it’s implied that Pennywise DOES come back like how you’re saying, with it saying and I quote (Idk how to show images here so I’ll just pull it directly out of the book) -

“…She had begun to flow copiously. By the time they had bought three car batteries and a good used truck battery in the Newport-Derry Town Line Auto Supply on Route 7, she had soaked four Stayfree Maxi-pads. Their heads began to ache, Tommy's worse than Hester's. By the time they had gotten half a dozen Allstate batteries at the Sears store and well over a hundred C, D, and double- and triple-A cells at the Derry Tru-Value Hardware (which had just gotten a new shipment in), they both knew they had to get back... quick. Tommy had begun to hallucinate; as he drove up Wentworth Street, he thought he saw a clown grinning up at him from an open sewer manhole - a clown with shiny silver dollars for eyes and a clenched white glove filled with balloons.”

Problem is, according to many cites, The Tommyknockers takes place in 1987. Two whole years AFTER the Losers kill IT. The SBA say that incapacitation for over a day is enough for a victory condition, two whole YEARS is more than enough for Hank.
This is actually a very good point that I overlooked

I'm still skeptical on if the match is fair just by considering the nature of PW

I think maybe a dissonance brick like tricky or halo amped jebediah would be a more fair match
Of course, if you still believe that this is a huge stomp in favor of Pennywise, please tell me if the other two would make a fairer match for Hank.
Sorry what which other two?
 
If pw is doing this by waking up then logically it would still work

This is actually a very good point that I overlooked

I'm still skeptical on if the match is fair just by considering the nature of PW

I think maybe a dissonance brick like tricky or halo amped jebediah would be a more fair match

Sorry what which other two?
1: How so? Are we assuming the battles starts with Pennywise waking up?
2: I honestly can’t blame you on that, I get Novel Penny’s whole rep is that it’s broken asf. I just thought it was thematically cool considering the parallels between Penny and Tricky, plus I saw that Hank resists some of Penny’s abilities and I thought “Oh this matchup could be somewhat close” especially with Hank’s massive skill and AP advantage.

3: I’m referring to the other two versions of Penny, the 2017/2019 and the 1990s version.

Edit: Holy my grammar just went down the drain for a second there.
 
1: How so? Are we assuming the battles starts with Pennywise waking up?
In order to fight bank/for the fight to happen yes

Unless we're changing the circumstances to where hank is tasked with trying to help the losers club or something (this could work)
2: I honestly can’t blame you on that, I get Novel Penny’s whole rep is that it’s broken asf. I just thought it was thematically cool considering the parallels between Penny and Tricky, plus I saw that Hank resists some of Penny’s abilities and I thought “Oh this matchup could be somewhat close” especially with Hank’s massive skill and AP advantage.
Dissonance is cool and all (the concept makes sense as well) but I really don't think this is it man...

Make it tricky, jesus or the auditor
3: I’m referring to the other two versions of Penny, the 2017/2019 and the 1990s version.
Do we even have any other versions of pennywise?
 
Dissonance is cool and all (the concept makes sense as well) but I really don't think this is it man...
In the future when The Machine and The Maker has a profile, Hank would have some smurf 1-A resistances, but Dissonance simply doesn't scale high enough to be a bother to Pennywise.
Make it tricky, jesus or the auditor
The Auditor starts with type 2 info hax against anyone who's half competent, so take that as you will.
Do we even have any other versions of pennywise?
 
In the future when The Machine and The Maker has a profile, Hank would have some smurf 1-A resistances, but Dissonance simply doesn't scale high enough to be a bother to Pennywise.
Yeah that's still 1-A vs inf layers into high 1-A
The Auditor starts with type 2 info hax against anyone who's half competent, so take that as you will.
He has that????
Thanks for the links
 
In order to fight bank/for the fight to happen yes

Unless we're changing the circumstances to where hank is tasked with trying to help the losers club or something (this could work)

Dissonance is cool and all (the concept makes sense as well) but I really don't think this is it man...

Make it tricky, jesus or the auditor

Do we even have any other versions of pennywise?
1: I mean I guess that could work, I honestly made this matchup with the assumption that the circumstances of this fight would simply be Pennywise just pulling up on Hank randomly, it wouldn’t be out of character for it to do considering Pennywise HAS done the same for other adults like Adrian Mellon. Also if the battle starts EXACTLY when Pennywise wakes up, how is it receiving the prior knowledge beforehand?

2: C’mon man there’s NO way Hank’s totally outmatched here, the resistances Hank has here, plus the AP and skill advantage, plus the fact that Hank has THREE CHANCES really mean nothing? I get three isn’t a WHOLE lot but it’s way better than nothing, and those three chances can be an absolute game changer. Plus, you never really answered my question on how quick Penny is to using that specific Bio Manip which could give Hank a lot more to work with.

(Plus I think Post-Auditor Tricky makes this an incon cuz I’m pretty sure neither actually have a way to put the other down, the Auditor and Jebus maybe. But I don’t wanna give up on Hank just yet.)

3: We do. And they’re honestly used a lot more than this version, would switching to either one pose a fairer fight if you’re dead set on believing that this is a stomp for Penny. Plus I just wanna give Hank something, he has absolutely NOTHING for his matchups on his profile.

Also just a quick question, how do you do that thing where you grab specific parts of what I type and respond to it? I’m still relatively new to this site and I’m honestly still trying to learn the controls here.
 
1: I mean I guess that could work, I honestly made this matchup with the assumption that the circumstances of this fight would simply be Pennywise just pulling up on Hank randomly, it wouldn’t be out of character for it to do considering Pennywise HAS done the same for other adults like Adrian Mellon. Also if the battle starts EXACTLY when Pennywise wakes up, how is it receiving the prior knowledge beforehand?

2: C’mon man there’s NO way Hank’s totally outmatched here, the resistances Hank has here, plus the AP and skill advantage, plus the fact that Hank has THREE CHANCES really mean nothing? I get three isn’t a WHOLE lot but it’s way better than nothing, and those three chances can be an absolute game changer. Plus, you never really answered my question on how quick Penny is to using that specific Bio Manip which could give Hank a lot more to work with.

(Plus I think Post-Auditor Tricky makes this an incon cuz I’m pretty sure neither actually have a way to put the other down, the Auditor and Jebus maybe. But I don’t wanna give up on Hank just yet.)
Yunno what, I'll give this a chance because the concept is cool

Following ig
3: We do. And they’re honestly used a lot more than this version, would switching to either one pose a fairer fight if you’re dead set on believing that this is a stomp for Penny. Plus I just wanna give Hank something, he has absolutely NOTHING for his matchups on his profile.
Moviewise preferably but we can entertain novelwise
Also just a quick question, how do you do that thing where you grab specific parts of what I type and respond to it? I’m still relatively new to this site and I’m honestly still trying to learn the controls here.
Press reply then click on the end of whatever ur trying to respond too then just use shift like twice to make space
 
If we're gonna give this match a chance, I do think Hank is ****** in most departments and is out of his depths, but i'll throw out needed info that might be relevant to this match.

The weakness on belief for pennywise is interesting. Hank is comically arrogant in his abilities, and fully believed he could kill invulnerable beings in the past such as Project: Gestalt on his own that he was way out of match for. He'd likely be the same here regardless what Pennywise tries.
 
The weakness on belief for pennywise is interesting. Hank is comically arrogant in his abilities, and fully believed he could kill invulnerable beings in the past such as Project: Gestalt on his own that he was way out of match for. He'd likely be the same here regardless what Pennywise tries.
Honestly, after REALLY reading on it, I think this specific weakness of Pennywise would benefit Hank but only really partially, one of the components OF the weakness is absolutely believing what you’re doing IS going to work, which kind of fits Hank here pretty well. Though HOW Hank does it is where it kind of strays away from the Losers, while the Losers used this weakness against it via using their child-like imagination and actually framing specific things as something meaningful, like how they believed that “Silver kills monsters” or when Eddie believed his aspirator to be Battery Acid and dousing Penny in it right before he dies, both of which ACTUALLY injure Penny. Meanwhile Hank isn’t doing that here, he’s just REALLY egotistical and confident that what he’s doing WILL work. Which definitely helps him and makes Penny more vulnerable than usual, it just wouldn’t help him to the extent of how it helps the Losers.

I’d imagine the difference is something like this.

Instead of the belief being something like the Losers, say “I believe the gun can kill Pennywise, so the gun becomes special and specifically counters Penny.”

With Hank I’d imagine it’d more like “I can kill this Clown” and then Pennywise becomes more susceptible to Hank just brute forcing the hell out of it.

Honestly I’m just doing second hand research and going off on what the profile says, none of the Imgur links are working for me so I kinda gotta work with what I have. Idk if it’s JUST me or if the links need a revamp again.
 
Honestly I’m just doing second hand research and going off on what the profile says, none of the Imgur links are working for me so I kinda gotta work with what I have. Idk if it’s JUST me or if the links need a revamp again.
Yeah imgur links fking died. links probably just need to be redone. I think bunch of stuff was uploaded with no account before imgur made that change that deleted everything that wasn't uploaded by users with an account
 
Yeah imgur links fking died. links probably just need to be redone. I think bunch of stuff was uploaded with no account before imgur made that change that deleted everything that wasn't uploaded by users with an account
Nah there was an actual account that sent the fixed links, there was a specific CRT made to fix that issue with the links. I dunno why they’re just nuking the links here.
 
M.A.G Hank's immortality negation wouldn't work, seeing as Pennywise's true form is High 1-A, meanwhile Hank's hax range is just Low 1-C (Seeing as Auditor Abosrption tricky has Low 1-C stuff, though this isn't on the profile, yet, hoping it would get added though).
I don't really see how M.A.G Hank can even do anything to Novel Pennywise. I feel like this matchup is a mismatch, Novel Pennywise stomps Hank, and I think Hank would stomp the other versions of Pennywise, as Hank doesn't really show any fear in the series and Pennywise's hax is its most effectiveness if the opponent has fear
 
Edit: Even if Hank can’t kill the Deadlights, his Immortality Neg would be more than enough to kill the avatar, which is what’s being used here. Just the death of the avatar was enough to count as a win for the Losers within both the Book and in the profile itself.
In order to kill the avatar you need to kill the deadlights, again Hank's hax is useless here, this is a stomp as I've explained in my previous comment
 
M.A.G Hank's immortality negation wouldn't work, seeing as Pennywise's true form is High 1-A, meanwhile Hank's hax range is just Low 1-C (Seeing as Auditor Abosrption tricky has Low 1-C stuff, though this isn't on the profile).
We had talked about this prior, and while Hank can’t kill the Deadlights themselves his Immortality Negation would let him kill/incapacitate “Pennywise” long enough for it to count as a win.

And it straight up says in the profile that one of the main ways to defeat Pennywise (The Ritual of Chüd), is specifically only killing the avatar via negating It’s immortalities, which is what Hank would be doing here. He’s reaching the same functional endpoint the Ritual does, he’s just doing it in a different way. Hank can’t PERMANENTLY rid the world of Pennywise nor actually kill the Deadlights, but Hank CAN rid Penny long enough for it to count as a win in his favor.

Hanks definitely got plenty of options, if Pennywise decides to stay ranged then Hank can use electricity (same video but at 1:57), telekinesis (via grabbing objects), metal spikes or guns to affect Pennywise from a distance. The latter of which are comically faster than Hank and Penny due to speed equalization. This isn’t even mentioning the overall huge physical advantage Hank has over Penny (15 Kilojoules vs 637.5 Tons, Class 25 LS vs Class M LS, etc). Hank also has a MASSIVE skill advantage over Penny.

Catching Hank off guard or sneaking him would also be extremely hard for Penny, with the Tac Bar essentially shutting down any bullets or projectiles in general Penny attempts to use, and the fact that he’s able to sense threats he isn’t aware of AND has feats of reacting to and retaliating from attacks he shouldn’t have reasonably known they were coming helps Hank out a lot. His experience with Reality Warping Clowns in the past should also probably help him out here. Bullet time would also let Hank move and react faster than Penny here.
 
We had talked about this prior, and while Hank can’t kill the Deadlights themselves his Immortality Negation would let him kill/incapacitate “Pennywise” long enough for it to count as a win.

And it straight up says in the profile that one of the main ways to defeat Pennywise (The Ritual of Chüd), is specifically only killing the avatar via negating It’s immortalities, which is what Hank would be doing here. He’s reaching the same functional endpoint the Ritual does, he’s just doing it in a different way. Hank can’t PERMANENTLY rid the world of Pennywise nor actually kill the Deadlights, but Hank CAN rid Penny long enough for it to count as a win in his favor.
He can't because in order to kill Pennywise you have to reach The Deadlights, which is just something Hank really can't do.


Ka scales to the full Dark Tower cosmology, it can reach into the Dark Tower and is implied to make up most of existence. basically giving Pennywise smurf hax in his avatar. And also, Hank's immortality negation wouldn't work, the Deadlights is the mind of pennywise, in order to kill the avatar you need to kill The Deadlights, they are the same, otherwise it wouldn't work
 
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