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both in best mindset to fight,
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and both are at peak!
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who wins?
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the speed is similar, and unlike naruto sasuke can teleport, wouldnt this make the fight a lot harder for raizel? being caught in amaterasu wouldnt kill him directly but take a lot of his stamina and energy to keep healing, also, there is the soul-steal power which would be possible with one touch, and sasuke can teleportCelestial Pegasus said:Well this goes the same way as raizel vs naruto raizel wins because of blood manipulation hax. Sasuke has far more dc than raizel but it doesnt mean anything when raizel can just look at sasuke and make his blood explode.
You are right the teleportation would definetly allow sasuke to survive a lot longer than naruto but eventually he would get caught. I mean raizel can also read minds so he would eventually know where sasuke is gonna teleport to and then catch him with his blood control making him unable to move and then its over for sasuke.GreatestSin said:the speed is similar, and unlike naruto sasuke can teleport, wouldnt this make the fight a lot harder for raizel? being caught in amaterasu wouldnt kill him directly but take a lot of his stamina and energy to keep healing, also, there is the soul-steal power which would be possible with one touch, and sasuke can teleportCelestial Pegasus said:Well this goes the same way as raizel vs naruto raizel wins because of blood manipulation hax. Sasuke has far more dc than raizel but it doesnt mean anything when raizel can just look at sasuke and make his blood explode.
I dont know about NLF, Dc and durability are irrelevant when it comes to hax. The arguement could be made that raizel has never used his blood control on someone above his level which is true but he has used it on people on his level as for above that will never happen as no one in noblesse is above raizel's, at least not yet anyway. Controlling blood is hax to my knowledge and hax>dc, you would have to prove it wouldnt work on sasuke.Alakabamm said:Naw, blood control is an NLF argument when you are considering someone who now has a massive DC advantage over Raizel.
Also, Sasuke's best feat with Naruto is basically telekinesis...yeah, blood control is very NLF.
This is basically a stomp in Sasuke's favor.
The power to control blood is a power that bypasses durabilty having superior durabilty or dc is irrelevant as it bypasses durabilty. I said he has used it on people on his level because if i said he has been shown to have blood manipulation you would probably say it was on fodder characters so i said that to show he can use it on higher characters.But again his ability bypasses durabity so the burden of proof is not on me but you to prove sasuke has resistance to having his blood manipulated.Alakabamm said:No, you extending the argument that it works on people on his level to people above his level is what is considered NLF. Whenever you extend any type of argument without a significant warrant, that is NLF. It is precisely what you are doing.
Since you are making a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you. I will not repeat this.
I dont see how what i am saying is an NLF here you are saying he cant manipulate the blood of higher characters and i am saying the ability to manipulate blood itself allows him to do so. This is no different than if say raizel were to use telepathy on say idk goku. Telepathy is an ability that allows someone to bypass durabilty by instead of physically attacking someone it attacks their minds its the same thing here he isnt gonna physically attack sasuke he is attacking the blood inside of him and unless you have been shown to have say in the goku case mind control resistance or in this case blood control resistance its gonna work regardless of durablity.I think when your thinking of bypassing durability you think it to be something like saint seiya's atomic manipulation hax where it doesnt neccessarily have to be.Alakabamm said:There is no circular argument, you have met nothing close to the burden of proof. There is a reason that Raizel's profile does not have "bypasses durability" on it.
"I say he can" -> not evidence, that's your claim
Raizel doesnt use it more often because of pis and cis as as you said he would one shot everyone if he did,I mean in every fight he has been in so far he could have one-shotted his opponents if he just just used his blood phoenix off the bat same thing here.When raizel fought muzaka he clearly had no intentions of killing him as evident in the ova he didnt use his blood phoenix not even once so if he wanted him dead he would be dead.Its been stated that erga's blood manipulation is inferior to raizel and she has never demonstrated that she can control blood,she can use blood fields but she has never been shown to control the blood of other people.What i think is raizel is just plagued by pis as he is is forced to exert himself unneccessarily in order to progress the plot and exploit his weakness of been drained from using his soul to use his powers.So here is what i think an ic character raizel wont resort to his blood manipulation as much as he should but a bloodlusted raizel with pis and cis off would which clearly isnt the one in this match so i guess sasuke wins then.Alakabamm said:TK = telekinesis, not telepathy.
and I don't agree with the assertion that it bypasses durability. If it bypasses durability, then Raizel would have just oneshot all of the werewolves at the same time, without the need for a blood field. Same goes for Erga.
That calculation is flawed i made a thread for it idk how he got mach 7K for 12000 kilometers for 4 secondsReppuzan said:Isn't Sasuke a LOT faster than Raizel? This calc says close to Mach 7300 vs Raizel's Mach 2400.