Sally Acorn vs. Yhwach

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Sally with the SoA vs. Soul King Yhwach
Speed equalized
Who wins?

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[Deceived3596]

You should probably link the profiles for both characters.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

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[Deceived3596]

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That's weird as **** but my bad.

 

[TauanVictor]

Well, SoA has 5-D passive Power Null and Sally has AP Low 2-C, while Yhwach only achieves that with ED.

So this is a stomp.

 

[Deceived3596]

SoA has 5-D passive Power Null

Do you have any scans for it being passive? since the link for the ability on the SOA directly shows us that it needs to be activated for the effects to set in which wouldn't happen since Yhwach's has passive Soul Manipulation, Fear Manipulation and Paralysis Inducement that would effect Sally before she could activate the sword.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Well, SoA has 5-D passive Power Null and Sally has AP Low 2-C, while Yhwach only achieves that with ED.

So this is a stomp.

It depends if Yhwach's stuff is magic or not. The sword's profile said that it passively nulls magic, but does it null anything else other than that? Also, Sally being Low 2-C doesn't mean much if Yhwach can just negate durability.

 

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[Deceived3596]

Since i'm the one arguing for Yhwach i'll lay down his singular win-con

Yhwach's Win-Con is Sally's Power Nullification seems it has to be activated first before the effects can come about which wouldn't happen since Yhwach's Passive Soul Manipulation, Fear Manipulation and Paralysis Inducement would effect her before she could activated the sword and since she doesn't posses any resistances towards those Hax's nor the Regeneration needed to survive Soul Destruction she would instantly die before Yhwach could be Powernulled and such would make this a Stomp Match in Yhwach's Favor.

 

[TauanVictor]

It depends if Yhwach's stuff is magic or not. The sword's profile said that it passively nulls magic, but does it null anything else other than that? Also, Sally being Low 2-C doesn't mean much if Yhwach can just negate durability.

Due to the VSB rules, Reiatsu and Magic are naturally equated, so Power Null works.

 

[TauanVictor]

Do you have any scans for it being passive? since the link for the ability on the SOA directly shows us that it needs to be activated for the effects to set in which wouldn't happen since Yhwach's has passive Soul Manipulation, Fear Manipulation and Paralysis Inducement that would effect Sally before she could activate the sword.

It's not "instantaneous", but it's passively happening.

 

[Deceived3596]

It's not "instantaneous", but it's passively happening.

That scans doesn't show it "Passively" happening tho, Sonic has to seemingly activate its effects as shown by the fact in the larger panel the sword wasn't glowing when he was talking to that dude but when Sonic held the sword up it started glowing which shows me at least it needs to be activated in some sort of way for that effect to happen.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Except Sonic explicitly states the Sword of Acorns has been weakening him, even prior to when Sonic brandishes the Sword with energy. That's passive. When the sword covers him in energy, it seems to only accelerate the process that was already happening and makes King Acorn even more desperate.

 

[Deceived3596]

Except Sonic explicitly states the Sword of Acorns has been weakening him, even prior to when Sonic brandishes the Sword with energy. That's passive. When the sword covers him in energy, it seems to only accelerate the process that was already happening and makes King Acorn even more desperate.

He doesn't say that nor does he imply that, what he says is "The Sword of Acorns is Makin' you Weaker" and then the picture shows us the sword beginning to glow which points to the fact that when the sword starts to glow the effects start to be applied. That's complete head canon that's contradicted by the panel.

 

[ShakeResounding]

That... Isn't what's happening? I'm not sure if you're getting confused by the art, but Sonic is saying that BEFORE the energy of the Sword even makes contact with him. In fact, you can even see that's the case because King Acorn doesn't begin to scream until the panel mid-way.

So Yhwach's stuff gets passively nullified and the Sword conceptually destroys him or something, just like 80% of the other Sally threads.

 

[Deceived3596]

That... Isn't what's happening? I'm not sure if you're getting confused by the art, but Sonic is saying that BEFORE the energy of the Sword even makes contact with him. In fact, you can even see that's the case because King Acorn doesn't begin to scream until the panel mid-way.

That interpretation of Sonic's statement contradicts what's being visually shown to us on the page, When Sonic says the SOA is making King Acorn weaker he's talking about the energy that coming off the sword and it starting to affect King Acorn. This is also back up the fact on the next panel we see him being coated in the Energy with him screaming "If I Can't Rule Mobotropolis" thus showing us that's when he's being affected. Not when Sonic just had the sword out with no energy coming through it.

So Yhwach's stuff gets passively nullified and the Sword conceptually destroys him or something, just like 80% of the other Sally threads.

It isn't Passive while Yhwach's stuff is so no.

 

[sanicspood]

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[Bernkastelll]

Due to the VSB rules, Reiatsu and Magic are naturally equated, so Power Null works.

No, they are different, Reiatsu does not equalize to Magic at all

 

[StrymULTRA]

No, they are different, Reiatsu does not equalize to Magic at all

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.

If Magic has shown to work similarly to Reiatsu, it should be assumed that the Sword works.

 

[Lynieryz]

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.

If Magic has shown to work similarly to Reiatsu, it should be assumed that the Sword works.

Magic and reiatsu literally have nothing in common other than being a type of energy.

 

[Lynieryz]

BLEACH WIKI​

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Reiatsu (霊圧, Spiritual Pressure) is the physical force/pressure that a person’s Reiryoku creates when released. Most Shinigami, Arrancar, Quincy and Bounts can manipulate the release of their Reiatsu.​

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Reiatsu vs. Reiryoku:​

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The difference between spiritual energy and spiritual pressure is simple: Reiryoku is the amount of energy a being has stored within their body or soul, whereas Reiatsu is the pressure that a person's Reiryoku exerts. In other words, Reiryoku is potential while Reiatsu is energy in use and can be sensed by other spiritually aware beings. In general, those with high levels of Reiryoku will often have the highest levels of Reiatsu also. A skilled warrior can overcome a person possessing greater Reiryoku by possessing greater Reiatsu - this is achieved by having greater control over their own spiritual energy.​

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Reiatsu Sensing:​

The senses by which one feels and pick up on Reiatsu are known as "Reikaku" (霊覚, Spiritual Sense) or "Reiatsu Chikaku" (霊圧知覚, Spiritual Pressure Perception). Every person that has Reiatsu subconsciously uses both their sense of vision and their Reikaku at the same time in order to see. When concentrating in the midst of battle, Reikaku takes over an overwhelming amount of perception; in other words, the subconscious begins to stop seeing with "eyes".[1]​

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Reiatsu Vents:​

All Shinigami have vents located at their wrists that vent out their Reiatsu. If they are blocked off, then the Shinigami in question will be incinerated by their own Reiatsu from within.[2]

Reiatsu Release:​

All Reiatsu released by individuals eventually returns to them, but Reiatsu released in explosive bursts also engulfs energy in its surroundings in the process; when Ichigo Kurosaki did so while attempting to escape Quilge Opie's The Jail, Quilge's Quincy Reiatsu seeped into the depths of Ichigo's soul and awakened the Quincy aspect of his power within it, causing Ichigo to begin using Blut Vene subconsciously during his subsequent battle with Yhwach.[3]

Spirit Class:​

The density of Reiatsu within the Reishi of a given individual determines their Spirit Class (霊威, Reii), ranging from 1 to 20 starting with the densest Reishi and consequently most powerful individuals; lieutenants of the Gotei 13 are of rank 4 or 5, while captains are of rank 1, 2, or 3. However, the Reishi comprising the bodies of those with a Spirit Class of rank 3 or higher are too dense to break down and return to the soil of Soul Society after death as the bodies of Souls normally do, and since it would be too risky to leave such strong Reishi remaining indefinitely in Soul Society, the Konsō Reisai ceremony is performed to cast captains who had such Spirit Class at the time of their deaths into Hell.[4]

 

[Bernkastelll]

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.

If Magic has shown to work similarly to Reiatsu, it should be assumed that the Sword works.

but they do not have similarly things at all, they work just different

 

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[sanicspood]

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[TauanVictor]

Stop bumming that out, it's a stomp no matter which way you look at it.

If SoA only absorbs magic, Reiatsu Crush GG.
If SoA can absorb Reiatsu, Yhwach is killed by 5-D HAX.

 

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