Sakuya Izayoi potential ability additions

[Mobi2]

Hello, there just proposing some super minor additions to Sakuya's abilities.

The ability I want to propose is Enhanced Senses I'll bring up a couple of examples though this one might have a few flaws to it. The first example is Youmu being detected by her, but the issue as pointed out in the scan is her being a novice in tailing her.

The second example is her noticing the three fairies of light on two occasions which one shows them being invisible. The first example shows that neither Reimu nor Marisa notices them.

This second example is them directly being shown to be invisible. Sorry for the poor scanlation "Eastern and Little Nature Deity" don't really have the best scans online. The scene I'm referring to is on the bottom left where Sakuya almost hit them with a knife.

Now this one should be simple. She has Fire Manipulation due to shooting out fireballs in EOSD (timestamp is around 3:19)


She should have Homing Attacks as she's used them in PCB, PoFV, etc



Possible Examples of Energy Projection? I'm fine with it not being Energy Projection I just wanted some input.

(timestamps are 2:27, and 2:45)

This can be shockwave creation

And should we just change the "can similarly manipulate space" of the explanation on her Space-Time Manipulation to "contracting and expending space" to just be more specific? There's also the topic of time-reversal should it just be "limited-time reversal as she can only return things to their original positions" or should we not have anything pertaining to time-reversal on her page?

As for materializing her knife trails caused by the time lag, I think it should be included in her Space-time Manipulation as well.

Anyways, Thank you for reading the proposal if you happen to stumble across it.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Disagree with fire manipulation since aside from a vague visual similarity, there's nothing to suggest that attack uses fire. Agree with everything else though.

 

[Shmooply]

It does look oddly familiar to the fire danmaku that a few other characters in the series use, but I'm still not sure if it's really fire manip.
This could be classified as shockwave creation, though I wouldn't know which ability would be fitting since iirc there's currently a discussion about whether or not shockwave creation is a subset of vibration manipulation.

 

[Mobi2]

Disagree with fire manipulation since aside from a vague visual similarity, there's nothing to suggest that attack uses fire. Agree with everything else though.

It does look oddly familiar to the fire danmaku that a few other characters in the series use, but I'm still not sure if it's really fire manip.

This could be classified as shockwave creation, though I wouldn't know which ability would be fitting since iirc there's currently a discussion about whether or not shockwave creation is a subset of vibration manipulation.

Yeah, that's fine it can just be another example of energy projection I'm not too hung up over it.

Also, I forgot to ask about her Time Sign "Imaginary Verticle Time" spell card in the proposal I'll edit it in. So do we just put in the Space-Time Manipulation explanation that she can materialize knife trails caused by the time lag?

 

[Shmooply]

So do we just put in the Space-Time Manipulation explanation that she can materialize knife trails caused by the time lag?

Fine by me.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So do we just put in the Space-Time Manipulation explanation that she can materialize knife trails caused by the time lag?

How exactly do knife trails prove space-time manip? It'd be far more convenient to just add 'can contract and expand space' and maybe ZUN's statement regarding how space and time are connected in touhou.

 

[Mobi2]

How exactly do knife trails prove space-time manip? It'd be far more convenient to just add 'can contract and expand space' and maybe ZUN's statement regarding how space and time are connected in touhou.

Not what I was alluding to. I was seeing if we should add that she could materialize trails caused by time lags as part of her time manipulation repertoire.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Not what I was alluding to. I was seeing if we should add that she could materialize trails caused by time lags as part of her time manipulation repertoire.

Ah, got it. In that case I agree. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Mobi2]

Ah, got it. In that case I agree. Sorry for the confusion.

Gotcha no worries.

 

[Mobi2]

Bump

 

[Mobi2]

Bump

 

[Mobi2]

Bump

 

[Mobi2]

Alright so I'll tally up what has happened so far

Everyone is in favor of the ability additions besides the fire manipulation point and we have: Shizuka, Armerish, Shmooply, and FujiwaraYesMokou

 

[Shmooply]

This could be classified as shockwave creation, though I wouldn't know which ability would be fitting since iirc there's currently a discussion about whether or not shockwave creation is a subset of vibration manipulation.

Alright, yea, this should count as shockwave creation.

 

[Mobi2]

Alright, yea, this should count as shockwave creation.

noted I'll edit that in.

 

[Mobi2]

Alright, yea, this should count as shockwave creation.

Also for some weird reason, I can't find shockwave creation in the powers and abilities page of the wiki did it get removed?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I'm pretty sure it's considered a sub ability of vibration manipulation.

 

[Mobi2]

I'm pretty sure it's considered a sub ability of vibration manipulation.

Gotcha

 

[Mobi2]

bump

 

[Promestein]

More or less all looks fine to me.

 

[Mobi2]

More or less all looks fine to me.

Thanks for the input also I forgot how many people do we need in agreement to implement a crt?

 

[Mobi2]

Bump

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

If a staff member has already accepted what's here I think it's fine. Though we probably still need permission to actually edit the page.

 

[Mobi2]

If a staff member has already accepted what's here I think it's fine. Though we probably still need permission to actually edit the page.

Yeah waiting for permission is the course of action here.

 

[Mobi2]

bump

 

[Mobi2]

bump

 

[HammerStrikes219]

This seems reasonable.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Thanks for the input also I forgot how many people do we need in agreement to implement a crt?

You need some staff members to agree with this and it seems like a minor CRT I think.
At 2 or more will been preferred.

 

[Mobi2]

You need some staff members to agree with this and it seems like a minor CRT I think.
At 2 or more will been preferred.

Ah thank you for the info

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Ah thank you for the info

You are welcome. Just to note, you have post a message on a staff member’s wall to inform them about a crt like this one as you can not directly tag them.

@Antvasima being a example like this.

 

[Mobi2]

You are welcome. Just to note, you have post a message on a staff member to inform them about a crt like this one as you can not directly tag them.

@Antvasima being a example like this.

I was thinking of asking Ant, but I'd figured I give him some time because there's a massive touhou CRT and other things that he's dealing with right now so I didn't want to bother him too much.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Hmm fair enough. There are other staff members that could take a look at this…. Did you ever ask someone like DarkDragon or some other ones?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I think at a certain point it's fine, really seems like that thread will be open for the rest of my life.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I agree as well

 

[Mobi2]

Btw sorry to add this on so late into the thread, but we should probably include the fact that she can make time suspension fields as well.

 

[Antvasima]

With the exception of energy projection, this can probably be applied.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Consider it done.

 

[Mobi2]

Consider it done.

Is it alright if I check on it after you're finished with it?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Of course. I already applied it so go ahead and check.

 

[Antvasima]

Tell me here when I should close this thread.