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Ruby Rose vs Superman (grace)
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Spinoirr
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Ruby's ap: 74 Exatons
Ruby's aura can take hundreds of attacks from others on her level and her auras maximum durability cap is 70 times her base durability of 74 Exatons, but can still break from overtime damage like a health bar in a video game
Skill chain:
This version of Ruby is even more skilled then that due to learning ki at Beacon in a week
Ruby learns how to use ki a week and they know how to use ki better then Videl minus flying
According to Gohan, it's not all that easy to use ki, and Videl's quick picking up of ki control was, in large part, due to her martial arts training. She still had to take time to learn how to even access it, much less control the flow of it, so it'd be all the harder for a normal person to. But Videl had no control over her ki control and can't shoot ki blasts unlike ruby after a week of training back during beacons break
She also scales In skill to Bann:
my crossover AU Ozpin unironicly scales to skill to prime demon king piccolo via fighting on par with him to the point it ends with a draw with both of them dying 200+ years ago
Prime Demon King Piccolo is comparable to skill to demon king piccolo arc Goku
Because this Ruby is comparable to skill to Bann who can fight against Cinder using orange amp being on par with her but lost because OA drains aura and is normally 4 times weaker and also Penny who can also fight against Cinder and only lost due to not being used to a human body at that time and focused on protecting others, bann fought on par with the Furious Cat in wrathful and Ruby could also fight the Furious Cat as well
Cinder killed ozpin and could fight well against him despite ozpin being alive for thousands of years and trained with kami, Bann and Penny can fight against a more skilled Cinder and Bann can fight against the Furious Cat and Ruby can too
Tldr Ruby's combat skill is on the level of Kid Goku during the King Piccolo arc
Ruby's aura can take hundreds of attacks from others on her level and her auras maximum durability cap is 70 times her base durability of 74 Exatons, but can still break from overtime damage like a health bar in a video game
Skill chain:
At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin, who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime.
Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.
Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight.
Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.
Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public.
Then there's the Ace Ops. For reference, Atlas Academy's vetting process is canonically more strict than Beacon's due to it being a military school on top of a Huntsman academy, so they only accept the best of the best. All of the members of the Ace Ops graduated top of their class from Atlas Academy, meaning that they are quite literally the best of the best of the best. Ruby not only outmatched Harriet Bree, but scales to the rest of her team in skill who also outmatched members of the Ace ops, Elm in particular being canonically the most skilled person out of all the ace ops, with Clover being the only member ranked above her in combat solely due to his semblance rather than outright skill, and Yang outmatched her in combat. Included in this group is also Winter, who spent her entire military career training to be the replacement host of the Winter Maiden and even without the Maiden Powers is considered the most skilled soldier in the Atlas Military.
Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.
Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight.
Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.
Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public.
Then there's the Ace Ops. For reference, Atlas Academy's vetting process is canonically more strict than Beacon's due to it being a military school on top of a Huntsman academy, so they only accept the best of the best. All of the members of the Ace Ops graduated top of their class from Atlas Academy, meaning that they are quite literally the best of the best of the best. Ruby not only outmatched Harriet Bree, but scales to the rest of her team in skill who also outmatched members of the Ace ops, Elm in particular being canonically the most skilled person out of all the ace ops, with Clover being the only member ranked above her in combat solely due to his semblance rather than outright skill, and Yang outmatched her in combat. Included in this group is also Winter, who spent her entire military career training to be the replacement host of the Winter Maiden and even without the Maiden Powers is considered the most skilled soldier in the Atlas Military.
This version of Ruby is even more skilled then that due to learning ki at Beacon in a week
Ruby learns how to use ki a week and they know how to use ki better then Videl minus flying
According to Gohan, it's not all that easy to use ki, and Videl's quick picking up of ki control was, in large part, due to her martial arts training. She still had to take time to learn how to even access it, much less control the flow of it, so it'd be all the harder for a normal person to. But Videl had no control over her ki control and can't shoot ki blasts unlike ruby after a week of training back during beacons break
She also scales In skill to Bann:
Skill feats for Bann Belladonna AKA my Crossover AU Goku
Beacon arc:
Fought alongside his step-sister Blake and Adam for years
Trained his whole life in martial arts to the point he is naive to almot anything outside of anything to do with combat
Got into beacon without going to a combat school and without a weapon other then his hands, kicks and ki attacks
mimicked pennys beam with ki and made the Kamehameha just after seeing her use her beam once
he taught team JNPR how to use ki during their break
Fought on par with phyrra in the food fight with his hand to hand skills
Could tell mercury was holding back against phyrra and questioned why he quit after seeing her semblance
Figured out Cinder (who they only knew as a mystery woman in all black) using soothing other then a semblance or dust to freeze Him, Ruby and piccolo in the CTT was definitely not ki nor dust or even a semblance but didn't know exactly what it was
Made it to the finals of the tournament with piccolo and his team picking him to go to the finals
Believes yang saw what she actually saw and explains to them he thinks there is something up with that mercury guy but he just doesn't know what
Hears from velvet that coco also saw something that wasn't there in the match against merc and em alongside ruby, making Bann wonder if mercury has a ability to make people see things
See's emerald in the tournament still even though she said she was going to go with mercury so he gets up to figure out what's going on alongside ruby
When he sees mercury and the next fight is phyrra vs penny, bann figures out why mercury held back and stop fighting against phyrra when she showed her semblance
Bann holds off mercury with orange amp (his semblance that gives him a 4x boost in power) and predicts some of his moves but is forced to run away as he still was being overwhelmed
Mistrial arc:
Knew how to fight with his new gun Sword By copying how his sister fought with her weapon
Tried to help Ruby fight Tyrain, but Tyrain was too strong and fast for him but he did dodge some of his hits via predicting them like he did with mercury
Cut off Tyrains tail after he poisoned Qrow before Ruby did it
Ozpin saw bann as a good person for helping Ruby and Oscar to learn hand to hand combat better while he isn't controlling Oscar
after training in haven, all the group learned how to fly via Ki
Fought vol 5 mercury alongside Yang and was beating him together until emerald showed up to use her semblance
Saw that hazel was a massive problem so he made a Shockwave to knock emerald and mercury down to go deal with hazel instead and told piccolo to help yang out while he flies at hazel to use a gravity bash on him (but with normal ki)
He and Nora eventually get elected by hazel but both him and Nora throw him over their shoulders and hit him with a hammer ki blast with both their semblances to make a combo attack to send him flying
Fought Adam alongside Yang and then latter him and Blake and yang fight him but Blake is launched away like normal but
both him and yang know to dodge his attacks and then grab his sword using both their semblances to punch him away and break and throw his sword away
Atlas arc:
watched the Ace-Ops spring into action battling the Grimm, while Teams RWBY and JNR + Piccolo watch the action unfold in awe, Bann was watching intensely to focus on their level of skill which was better then him at the time and it impressed him (important as team RWBY after two weeks of training beat the ace opts, despite them going all out)
trained with Penny and Winter (who are more skilled then the ace opts) for a few weeks in Atlas
both him and Penny fighting back against the ace opts working together even without orange amp or the maiden powers in a 4 v 2
on amity Bann could fight and easily avoid attacks from Neo and counter without using any ki blasts or anything
could fight back against Cinder with Penny despite Bann being 4 times weaker without orange Amp and being 4 times slower then her, he could still dodge her attacks via prediction
was smart enough to know Cinder was splitting the four of them up to attack Penny and flew through the fire without a aura knowing the fire won't hurt him due to his natural resistance and grabbed Penny with a plan to go down fighting above the void in a beam struggle
Ever After arc:
train with Penny on and off for a year in the ever after and learned to control his great ape form with training, something only Saiyan Elites can do and did something that no other saiyan at that point has done or thought of, using the power of a great ape in humanoid form to get rid of the lumbering moments and getting Wrathful, controlling it
could fight against all of Neo's clones all at once and not get hit once and easily stomped them with Orange amp when he was done playing games
Fought against NeoCat wigh Yang, Blake and Penny and all of them could hold their own, fought the Furious Cat in Wrathful and with them being on par, Bann was still struggling
Beacon arc:
Fought alongside his step-sister Blake and Adam for years
Trained his whole life in martial arts to the point he is naive to almot anything outside of anything to do with combat
Got into beacon without going to a combat school and without a weapon other then his hands, kicks and ki attacks
mimicked pennys beam with ki and made the Kamehameha just after seeing her use her beam once
he taught team JNPR how to use ki during their break
Fought on par with phyrra in the food fight with his hand to hand skills
Could tell mercury was holding back against phyrra and questioned why he quit after seeing her semblance
Figured out Cinder (who they only knew as a mystery woman in all black) using soothing other then a semblance or dust to freeze Him, Ruby and piccolo in the CTT was definitely not ki nor dust or even a semblance but didn't know exactly what it was
Made it to the finals of the tournament with piccolo and his team picking him to go to the finals
Believes yang saw what she actually saw and explains to them he thinks there is something up with that mercury guy but he just doesn't know what
Hears from velvet that coco also saw something that wasn't there in the match against merc and em alongside ruby, making Bann wonder if mercury has a ability to make people see things
See's emerald in the tournament still even though she said she was going to go with mercury so he gets up to figure out what's going on alongside ruby
When he sees mercury and the next fight is phyrra vs penny, bann figures out why mercury held back and stop fighting against phyrra when she showed her semblance
Bann holds off mercury with orange amp (his semblance that gives him a 4x boost in power) and predicts some of his moves but is forced to run away as he still was being overwhelmed
Mistrial arc:
Knew how to fight with his new gun Sword By copying how his sister fought with her weapon
Tried to help Ruby fight Tyrain, but Tyrain was too strong and fast for him but he did dodge some of his hits via predicting them like he did with mercury
Cut off Tyrains tail after he poisoned Qrow before Ruby did it
Ozpin saw bann as a good person for helping Ruby and Oscar to learn hand to hand combat better while he isn't controlling Oscar
after training in haven, all the group learned how to fly via Ki
Fought vol 5 mercury alongside Yang and was beating him together until emerald showed up to use her semblance
Saw that hazel was a massive problem so he made a Shockwave to knock emerald and mercury down to go deal with hazel instead and told piccolo to help yang out while he flies at hazel to use a gravity bash on him (but with normal ki)
He and Nora eventually get elected by hazel but both him and Nora throw him over their shoulders and hit him with a hammer ki blast with both their semblances to make a combo attack to send him flying
Fought Adam alongside Yang and then latter him and Blake and yang fight him but Blake is launched away like normal but
both him and yang know to dodge his attacks and then grab his sword using both their semblances to punch him away and break and throw his sword away
Atlas arc:
watched the Ace-Ops spring into action battling the Grimm, while Teams RWBY and JNR + Piccolo watch the action unfold in awe, Bann was watching intensely to focus on their level of skill which was better then him at the time and it impressed him (important as team RWBY after two weeks of training beat the ace opts, despite them going all out)
trained with Penny and Winter (who are more skilled then the ace opts) for a few weeks in Atlas
both him and Penny fighting back against the ace opts working together even without orange amp or the maiden powers in a 4 v 2
on amity Bann could fight and easily avoid attacks from Neo and counter without using any ki blasts or anything
could fight back against Cinder with Penny despite Bann being 4 times weaker without orange Amp and being 4 times slower then her, he could still dodge her attacks via prediction
was smart enough to know Cinder was splitting the four of them up to attack Penny and flew through the fire without a aura knowing the fire won't hurt him due to his natural resistance and grabbed Penny with a plan to go down fighting above the void in a beam struggle
Ever After arc:
train with Penny on and off for a year in the ever after and learned to control his great ape form with training, something only Saiyan Elites can do and did something that no other saiyan at that point has done or thought of, using the power of a great ape in humanoid form to get rid of the lumbering moments and getting Wrathful, controlling it
could fight against all of Neo's clones all at once and not get hit once and easily stomped them with Orange amp when he was done playing games
Fought against NeoCat wigh Yang, Blake and Penny and all of them could hold their own, fought the Furious Cat in Wrathful and with them being on par, Bann was still struggling
my crossover AU Ozpin unironicly scales to skill to prime demon king piccolo via fighting on par with him to the point it ends with a draw with both of them dying 200+ years ago
Prime Demon King Piccolo is comparable to skill to demon king piccolo arc Goku
Because this Ruby is comparable to skill to Bann who can fight against Cinder using orange amp being on par with her but lost because OA drains aura and is normally 4 times weaker and also Penny who can also fight against Cinder and only lost due to not being used to a human body at that time and focused on protecting others, bann fought on par with the Furious Cat in wrathful and Ruby could also fight the Furious Cat as well
Cinder killed ozpin and could fight well against him despite ozpin being alive for thousands of years and trained with kami, Bann and Penny can fight against a more skilled Cinder and Bann can fight against the Furious Cat and Ruby can too
Tldr Ruby's combat skill is on the level of Kid Goku during the King Piccolo arc
MintyBoi1
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So Superman has an AP advantage at 90 Exatons and Ruby has a 12x LS advantage. Superman seems more skilled being able to read opponents and far more experienced than Ruby. Superman can also grow up to 433 Exatons while staying within moon level and has things like enhanced senses, ranged attacks, and flight to work about Ruby along with resistances to heat and energy. Ruby could win by grappling but I think more often Superman lands all the attacks he needs (heat vision could potentially melt through aura) and incapacitates her.
Spinoirr
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Ruby's aura protects her from getting one shot by 5,180 exaton attack, but it can and will break after getting hit by 70 74 Exaton attacks
Also Auras heat resistance is lightning temperature "In fact, lightning can heat the air it passes through to 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit (5 times hotter than the surface of the sun)"
MintyBoi1
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- Heat Vision: Can accurately target things smaller than human beings from orbit, narrow or wide-beam, heat intensity can be greater than the core of the sun, can modulate it to deliver different frequencies and types to best effect his opponent after analyzing them with his sensory powers, can generate enough power to move entire planets.
Spinoirr
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Yeah, so she definitely can use her semblance to her advantage to dodge and speed blitz amp in front of him with a charged Rose Cannon and blast him point blank off guard
Now sure, it wouldn't seal the deal but it would definitely damage him, also wouldn't technically dust ammo be magic attacks?
Now sure, it wouldn't seal the deal but it would definitely damage him, also wouldn't technically dust ammo be magic attacks?
Spinoirr
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To be fair, this is before the history of the world was told to them and Weiss genuinely had no idea magic was actually real until seeing Raven turn into a bird
Also
- In an Reddit AMA, Eddy Rivas confirmed that there is a link between Semblances and Magic, but did not elaborate on it.[3]
So honestly in my crossover AU, humanity has a fraction of Magic in them (even tho aura and ki are similar but different, and ki ain't magic) as when a human (or faunus) has their potential unlocked, they gain magic
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