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Rohan vs Zen'ō: REDUX
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^DragonEmperor23 said:
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It isn't passive.
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^DragonEmperor23 said:
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Yeah its not something that just passively happens he has to actually put effort into using Heavens Door's ability. Even if its a thought.
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Woah woah woah, when did Rohan get upgraded to thought based? Rohan activates his power by pointing right? I'm still voting for Rohan because pointing is faster than raising hand and then tightening hand, but where is this Rohan wins via thought coming from?
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Not thought sorry was thinking of a different character. But yeah point still stands Rohan has to actually put effort into killing or incaping Zeno
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I never said it was passive. Passive wins are not the only types of stomps.
Qouted directly from the page itself.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Stomp
"A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to wi against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation, or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics."
So when Rohan has a thought based attack that he starts off with that Zeno can not do anything about, it is qualified as a stomp.
Qouted directly from the page itself.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Stomp
"A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to wi against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation, or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics."
So when Rohan has a thought based attack that he starts off with that Zeno can not do anything about, it is qualified as a stomp.
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It's a quick draw match up. Zeno is simply has the slower quick draw. Zeno could kill Rohan in a multitude of ways. Zeno has a higher than 0% chance of winning this match up, like if Rohan messes up activating Heaven Door therefore it is not a stomp. On average it's faster to point than to tighten one's fist after raising it.
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Rohans ability isn't thought based the fight is more like who has the quickest draw with their respective abilities. Zeno doesn't typically Hakai things out nowhere if he 8snt bloodlusted. he took his time to process Zamasu before up and Hakaing him. Rohan? He'll draw on women and children and then find out what threat they pose if any. That's the difference, that's why Rohan wins here and it's why its not a stomp.
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"if Rohan messes up activating Heaven Door therefore it is not a stomp."
That's not possible. That's like saying Dio messing up stopping time or Pucci messing up accelerating time.
" Zeno has a higher than 0% chance of winning this match up"
From where?
That's not possible. That's like saying Dio messing up stopping time or Pucci messing up accelerating time.
" Zeno has a higher than 0% chance of winning this match up"
From where?
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^TacticalNuke002 said:
@John
It is thought based and it doesn't matter if Zeno was bloodlusted and his first reaction was to Erase everything around him out of existence, he gets incapped before he can do anything.
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From Rohans page
"Heaven's Door acts when Rohan's target sees it or an image of it drawn by him, which he can make in mid air with his pen or finger"
Zenos First reaction was what is this he took time to comprehend what Zamasu was. Rohan on the other hand doesn't he spams Heavens Door the minute he sees something odd and saves his questions for when he reads their pages.
I will say Older Rohan in the side stories doesn't do this as often but even then given Zenos bizarre appearance he's gonna summon Heavens Door.
"Heaven's Door acts when Rohan's target sees it or an image of it drawn by him, which he can make in mid air with his pen or finger"
Zenos First reaction was what is this he took time to comprehend what Zamasu was. Rohan on the other hand doesn't he spams Heavens Door the minute he sees something odd and saves his questions for when he reads their pages.
I will say Older Rohan in the side stories doesn't do this as often but even then given Zenos bizarre appearance he's gonna summon Heavens Door.
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I actually have asked that same question and had it answered here.
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DragonEmperor23 said:
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^TacticalNuke002 said:
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Except this actually comes from his profile.
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Rohan doesn't need a pen or his finger to summon his stand.
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Not according to his profile. even outside of this Rohan could do for some revisions anyways over some Thus Spoke Rohan abilities.
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It's probably worded wrong.
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I looked into it and he does summon Heavens Door without drawing in the one shots. yeah nvm
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Quick draw matches aren't stomps, they are decisive victories. That's like saying Man with No Name stomped his opponents in the Dollar Trilogy, he decisively beat them because he was faster with the trigger.
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This isn't a quick draw match. Quick draw means the first person to use something. Rohan's thought based ability will always be faster than Zeno raising his hands. This is a Rohan wins and Zeno can't match.
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Can anyone show me where in tskr rohan incapped someone because he thought and heavens door instantly activated on them
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It isn't that he can incapacitate its more he thinks heavens door to appear and that would allow it to do its thing.
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Even in DiU, there's Reimi, Hayato and Masazu. In TSKR, there's the millionaire village kid, the necrophiliac thot from Mutsukabezaka and the people in the railway station.Paul Frank said:
Also, Rohan's incap involves turning a person or thing into a book, reading up on them in case he finds something interesting for his manga as well as knowing their abilities, and writing something that ensures that the victim will never be able to hurt him ever.
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Even in DiU, there's Reimi, Hayato and Masazu. In TSKR, there's the millionaire village kid, the necrophiliac thot from Mutsukabezaka and the people in the railway station.
Also, Rohan's incap involves turning a person or thing into a book, reading up on them in case he finds something interesting for his manga as well as knowing their abilities, and writing something that ensures that the victim will never be able to hurt him ever.
But those involved Rohan at least pointing. Are you trying to argue that this match up is a stomp or not?
Also, Rohan's incap involves turning a person or thing into a book, reading up on them in case he finds something interesting for his manga as well as knowing their abilities, and writing something that ensures that the victim will never be able to hurt him ever.
But those involved Rohan at least pointing. Are you trying to argue that this match up is a stomp or not?
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If you're arguing that this is a stomp, it will invalidate all of Rohan's match ups because they were built on the argument that Rohan points to win, not thinks to win.
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Necrophiliac thot, Abalone eating octopus and Stationmaster weren't pointed at.
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Can you provide the clips or panels?
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Necrophiliac girl case has Rohan very visibly doing a hand motion to activate Heaven's Door.
Stationmaster case, it's hard to make what Rohan does to activate Heaven's Door.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8AtNFGGo...ESnuBoKgDHWbjdkLNtsdgF4A6hrwCHMYCw/s0/044.jpg Octopus case was probably the only case that you can argue that he just thought, but even then he was striking a pose.
So yea, Rohan's match ups are still valid as quickdraw matches.
Stationmaster case, it's hard to make what Rohan does to activate Heaven's Door.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8AtNFGGo...ESnuBoKgDHWbjdkLNtsdgF4A6hrwCHMYCw/s0/044.jpg Octopus case was probably the only case that you can argue that he just thought, but even then he was striking a pose.
So yea, Rohan's match ups are still valid as quickdraw matches.
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That's actually necrophiliac thot's daughter but eh.
