Revan VS Vitiate (one vote needed)

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[Shadowbokunohero]

forgot about this

 

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Put two votes in the damn title. >_>

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Revan FRA.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Revan FRA.

 

[Schnee_One]

And thus we have grace

I like how Revan exists in a position where he can win against the two most haxed Star Wars characters for 4B and High 6A

 

[BruceTheBatman]

No, this is ridiculous.


Using both of them at their peaks, Revan gets fuckstomped since Valkorion > Vaylin > Arcann > THOT > Weakened Emperor

 

[Schnee_One]

Worth noting HoT managed to break out of Vitiates restraints and take back his body after Vitiate tries to posses him.

And again, Vitiate being weakened is subjective, not only did Scoorge say Vitiate would recover swiftly, but HoT dissipated his energy not only fighting enemies to get to the Emperor but saving his friend. Vitiate even states this.

"You dissipated your energy saving the weak, there are consequences"

At most, both were slightly weakened during their fight

Not to mention, Hero of Tython and the Emperor's wrath were barely able to defeat Revan (And the rest of the strike team but they're fodder), bare in mind the Emperor's wrath fought Sel Makor which imprisoned Vitiate.

And all of them barely defeated Revan.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

1) That doesn't count. HOT had the aide of one presumably high 6-a sith and, more importantly, of Arcann and Vaylin, both of whom were individually stronger than HOT, as well as Senya (Dunno where she ranks tho)

2) Vitiate was giving his power to perform a ritual. HOT killed a bunch of at-most 8-A fodders. Big gap there.

3) Vitiate could've been taken off guard, and it was a stalemate between them until Wrath came along.

4) Arcann, Vaylin, HOT/EW and Senya >> HOT, EW and strike team

 

[Schnee_One]

<High 6A Sith

What? Did you read the part where said Sith fought someone who imprisoned Vitiate? This guy is no fodder at all nor is he High 6A.

Doesn't matter on the fodders, especially since Vitiate even states HoT was weaker.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

I'm talking about Vitiate's father

 

[Schnee_One]

Ahh

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

REvan FRA.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

REvan FRA.

FRA is debunked since Vitiate held his own against Arcann, Vaylin, Senya and HOT/EW at the same time

Revan may have been comparable to Vitiate as of the Novel, but SOR Revan is only arguably a little stronger. Valkorion has feats easily superior to his fight with Revan, Sel Makor and HOT. He likely increased his powers in the Dark Side when he was ruling Zakuul, to ensure EW and HOT would no longer be a threat to him.

Vitiate fighting Arcann and Vaylin alone would be (and curbstomping the former during KOTFE is impressive to) much more impressive than Revan fighting the strike team since Arcann and Vaylin are both individually much stronger than EW or HOT. Adding EW/HOT to Arcann and Vaylin's team makes it worst.


Vitiate takes this low-diff. End of story.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

The only Star Wars characters listed at 4-B on this site who can take Vitiate 1v1 are Sidious, Luke Skywalker, and more debatably, Mother Talzin and Yoda.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"End of story"

Mate...

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Vitiate held his own against 2 characters canonically superior to 2 characters who defeated Revan at his arguable peak, along with one of said 2 characters.

 

[Schnee_One]

Alright then. Let's do this

1. Sel Makor Imprisoned Vitiate in the first place, bringing him up only supports Revan winning as both HoT and The Emperor's wrath were barely able to defeat him while both of them managed to defeat Sel Makor

2. I've already been over this, at most, Vitiate was barely weakened in his fight against Tython. Not only did he have plenty of time to recover especially with Tython saving an ally instead of fighting him, but again, Tython dissipated his energy getting to Vitiate as I showed in the quote I provided.

3. About him holding back Vaylin and Arcann, you imply him doing this shows his superiority except for this.

Vitiate already lost to Arcann

Not only does Arcann straight up stomp HoT who is comparable to Vitiate, even if I were to assume he was weaker (I don't but whatever) Vitiate still gives HoT power to defeat Arcann who in turn, manages to perfectly fight on par with Tython, and overwhelm him.

Plus Valkorian was barely able to hold the three back and even then, Tython breaks out just fine.

So in conclusion. HoT and Emperor's wrath>=Revan>Sel Makor>Vitiate

Revan isn't going to stomp, this is going to be the hardest fight of his entire damn life, and Vitiate has many scenarios in which he can beat Revan, but in the End, Revan takes the very slight majority

 

[BruceTheBatman]

1) Vitiate may simply not have been at his peak at that point.

2) Vitiate performed a ritual that required a great deal of effort. HoT fought a bunch of fodder

3) Vitiate never lost to Arcann. Ever. Valkorion OHKO's Arcann when he is bloodlusted. That proves his superiority right there.

4) Vitiate is a manipulative bastard. He likely said those things just to get in good with Hot/EW, and didn't give HoT his full power to give the illusion of Arcann's superiority.

 

[The_Everlasting]

1. Headcanon.

2. Doesn't matter because the actual story says he would recover quickly and HoT was weakened.

3. Uh, how about during the beginning of KOTFE when Arcann just stabs Valkorion dead?

4. That doesn't further his motives at all and makes no sense. HoT was already > Arcann regardless.

 

[KinkiestSins]

I thought Vitiate beat Revan? Am I missing something?

Oh well, I like Revan more, so Revan FRA

 

[The_Everlasting]

He beat Revan when he was weaker than he was in Shadow of Revan, and only after Revan was distracted by Scourge killing Meetra.

 

[Theglassman12]

The cool looking Sith guy should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

3. Uh, how about during the beginning of KOTFE when Arcann just stabs Valkorion dead?

4. That doesn't further his motives at all and makes no sense. HoT was already > Arcann regardless.

3) That's when you try to join up with Valkorion, and where Arcann just backstabs Valkorion from nowhere. When you refuse, Arcann is defeated in like 5 seconds

4) His motive is to cultivate HoT/EW into his new host body. I'd say that plenty furthers his motives.

 

[Schnee_One]

The cool looking Sith guy should take this for the reasons stated above.

But they're both Cool looking Sith, at least Vitiates Shadow is

 

[Schnee_One]

I thought Vitiate beat Revan? Am I missing something?

Oh well, I like Revan more, so Revan FRA

Read my first post

He beat Novel Revan, SOR Revan is stronger

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Not by a very large margin however.


Feat wise, Valkorion is over 2x stronger than he was in the novel. Not surprising after 300 years

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Hmmm i forgot about this matchup

 

[Schnee_One]

9-1 in favor of Revan and we're well past grace.

All in all arguments can be made for both, but Revan barely takes the majority

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

so can this be added?

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes

Revan's third win, granted Metal Sonic might be a stomp

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

mehh

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

next is Windu and then Mother Talzin , first gonna do Windu

 

[BruceTheBatman]

<But Shadow didn't Vitiate already defeat Revan?
Yes, but with this in mind, SoR Revan>Novel Revan, who was stated to be near equal to Vitiate and with him being close to Vitiates level.

Revan managed to fight off the HoT and the rest of the strike team by himself for a decent amount of time, HoT by himself is superior to Vitiate

This is also accounting the fact that Revan is a much better and superior swordsman, being able to balance the light and the dark perfectly, (Their previous fight was mostly force powers which Vitiate was originally the superior of)

Revan for my reasons.

This is the reasons people voted for Revan, all of which but the last I have debunked. ****, it's even stated that Vitiate would've defeated Revan in SOR. Valkorion would stomp since Revan didn't fight EW and HOT at the same time iirc, and even if he did, Arcann and Valyin are both much stronger than either of them individually.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Bump


Is this safe to add in?


Also, both of their profiles are open so someone add them

 

[Spider_Kaiju]

If I may interject, it's pretty clear that there are a fair number of characters capable of defeating Valkorion/Vitiate due to superior light saber skills, which Revan definitely has, but Vitiate/Valkorion is a sorcerer and a Sith, not just a Sith, therefore his repertoire of Sith sorcery related power and Sith powers are superior to Revan's.

(Vitiate vs Revan? Vitiate, just barely)