Ren Fuji vs. King Hassan

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

The fight takes place in Fuyuki City. I'm not quite sure about this match. I hope it's good enough.

Ren Fuji: 7

King Hassa: 0

Inconclusive: 1

Eine Faust Finale Ren and Grand Assassin King Hassan. Speed is equalized. Who wins?

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Given that Holy Relic damages both soul and physical body, that's 1 advantage for Ren. Speed equalize pretty much take Ren's Briah advantage away. And King Hassan has Presence Concealment with pretty high rank. I'd say King Hassan win with speed equalized and Azrael hax

 

[Reppuzan]

Sort of a 50/50 toss up for me.

On one hand, Hassan can take this if he immediately goes for Azazel. Ren won't notice Hassan coming until it's too late if that's the case. However, given that he's kind of lazy, he might just behead Ren and walk away before Ren gets up and tries to soul hax him.

Of course, all of Hassan's attacks have an instant-kill property, and Hassan could potentially cut up Ren's Holy Relic with his MEoDP-like ability. However, that would be really complicated with Ren's resistance to such things.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@Reppuzan

So inconclusive?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Burning

Probably.

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

After some background reasearch, my vote goes on Fuji Ren and not Hassan. While Hassan certainly has the range to attack Ren possibly teleport out of Ren's grips keep in mind Ren has dealt with Machina before who has a similiar ability to Hassan except it is the fists version of Azreal. Givin Ren's fighting style, Ren's strategy would be to close the range on Hassen and then aim for his neck instantly giving him the win while Hassan's slothness will cost him the match. Things get more interesting when both parties are both bloodlusted, then Hassen's experience would allow him to shine more in the match considering he has more experience than Ren who I believe only learned to fight in a span of six months so in the case of both parties bloodlusted it is a battle between having more experience vs being a very quick learner.

Verdict: Ren if both parties are In Character but are willing to kill, and Ren if Bloodlusted Ren can keep up with a combatant with centuries of combat experience which I believe he can do since he did keep up with Machina and later on Reinhard.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Speed is equalized. So no blitzing or "Ren suddenly appears in front of Hassan then cut his neck" nor "Hassan suddenly appears in front of Ren ir behind him and stab him" happening. And we've seen how Apostle deals with attacks which end them via bring them to their "end time/expiration date". They got erased (Methuselah vs LDO scene). And what Machina vs Ren scene are you referencing ? If the one you're talking about was the one when Machina suddenly appears before him and punched Ren out of his Briah, IIRC Machina wasn't even using his Briah back then. And King Hassan still have his Presence Concealment which mean it wouldn't be easy to detect him, unless King Hassan decides to attack in which case he will probably already in attack range, not that far from Ren. Ren can detect his presence by sensing hls soul yes, but King Hassan's Presence Concealment would also apply to make Ren's radar detecting his presence more difficult

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Ren: 1

King Hassan: 1

Inconclusive: 1

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Bump.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Bump.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Bump.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Just pointing out that speed equalised doesn't affect time manipulation slows and speed ups.

So, I'm inclined to go for ren thanks to time manipulation and the instakill regen negating neck slicer, assuming he can survive Hassan's first sneak attack, which with speed equalised he probably can

 

[EliminatorVenom]

@Laciel

I thought that, when speed gets equalized, all forms of speed-modifying abilities were nullified. Huh.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Yeah Ren's briah can give Hassan the jump and the relic once reaches the neck its game over for Hassan while Hassan can kill Ren i think the briah will make it hard for him to hit Ren or react

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

If speed from time manipulation stay as it is and doesn't get equalized. Then i change my vote to Ren.

 

[Schnee_One]

Soooooooooo old....

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@TISSG7Redgrave

Are you voting for Ren as well?

 

[VoidGoji]

Now we have 2 Tier 7-A versions for Ren.

If it is EFF, this will be even harder to Old Man, since he will get slowed down or even stagned just by being in Ren's surrounding.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah, this is Ren with Eine Faust Finale. But if anyone feels it's too disadvantageous for King Hassan, I'll change it to Base Ren.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Hassan does have damn good magic resist though, which includes time manipulation, so he might not be all that affected by the slow.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Resist doesn't equal immunity and if the drags out it may eventually affect but it will take a while

 

[FateAlbane]

Ren probably takes it. Gotta go fast might sound like a simple strategy, but like I always say... Simple is best. So I vote Ren for the reasons above and of course the insta-kill neck attack.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Bump.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ren for reasons above.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

well yes burning i vote for Ren (necro )

 

[ALRF]

Ren truly has the advantage in this battle, his Marguerrite is gonna be quite the help in this fight, even if he doesn't cut the neck of someone, it still does spiritual damage so there is that.

EFF Ren means Hassan will be affected by Time Slow, yes it isn't as potent due to Old Man Magic Resistence but even then, a decrease in speed is quite helpful + the amount of Guillotines Ren has now make it much more easier to decapitate Hassan.

Yo yeah Nietzsche incarnation wins