Rei Ogami vs Sacred Eclipse

[Firephoenixearl]

The most powerful flame user

vs

A girl who has had 2 matches against this verse already

SBA

Speed Equal.

 

[Ionliosite]

Because she stomps almost everything else

You know the drill with SE, what does Ogami lead with?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Unknown really. He usually leads with whichever flame he learned in that battle. So just about anything is about as equally possible. Let's go for Blue Flame for now. Anything SE can do against fire that burns her body and heart and turns her soul into a fire spirit or mind hax that makes her see mirages and lets her feel the pain of death?

 

[Ionliosite]

SE's mind is a computer, so mindhax is out. I don't see resistance to SE's passives on Ogami's profile, so there's that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Don't really think her mind being a computer makes her immune to emotions like fear and such. What about complete EE can she come back if she's erased on that level?

As for SE's passives, if anything happens to Ogami (that is not just EE yeet), Emperor can fight. And emperor is a soul and can even act from inside Ogami's body. Namely something he can do is use Belphegor on Ogami to burn all power effects off of him.

 

[Ionliosite]

Sacred Eclipse explicity has resistance to any mental abilities because Avalon's system can't be infected by any external forces, so her mind is totally protected from outside interferance. What do you mean by complete EE? And why wouldn't she be able to come back? When she revives is a new Sacred Eclipse, nothing related to the previous, so I don't see why she couldn't revive.

Ok, and then what? Sacred Eclipse can gain resistances to his abilities the more he attacks her with that, and he doesn't know about Avalon to do anything againts it. And Sacred Eclipse can still fight physically but that doesn't matter I guess.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Huh? Ok but on what level can it not be affected? As for complete EE as i said, body and soul. Because as you said all Sacred Eclipse's share the same mind (unless you mean the actual computer, in which case nvm).

Yeah but he has quite a bit of things he can use. Namely freezing her.

 

[Ionliosite]

I'm refering to the computer, yes. That's the mind, all SEs share it.

Sacred Eclipse already resist freezing.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

"Possibly Ice Manipulation"

What type of ice manipulation did she resist?

 

[Ionliosite]

Krulcifer Einfolk's.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hmm, im confused. How does it work? Does it just magically freeze stuff? Cus Ogami's works by absorbing heat in the area, and i have no idea how you can resist having heat in the area absorbed.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, she basically freeze stuff with science (the lose definition of science Bahamut has). Pretty sure Sacred Eclipse just adapts then, if you can't resist having the heat in area absorbed, you can adapt to the reduced heat in the area.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

How do you gain resistance to being stuck in a block of ice?

I don't think resistance can get you out of it. It means she can survive in low temperatures not that she can act within it.

 

[Ionliosite]

Here's Yggdrasil gaining resistance to ice manipulation, to which Sacred Eclipse scales to:

Krulcifer only barely managed to stand up. She fired at the branches' joint with her Freezing Cannon, but the spot she fired at only scattered ice beads to the surroundings and didn't freeze. "It doesn't freeze……!? Why!? Before this it certainlyÔöÇÔöÇ" Lisha who rallied herself passed through beside the shaken Krulcifer and let her Legion flew. All the bullets that the Legions fired without aiming were flicked off by the countless branches without difficulty. "Wha-……!? ÔöÇÔöÇIt's not just the Divine Raiment! Even special armament also became ineffective……! Don't tell me, this thingÔöÇÔöÇ" Everyone there who saw that sight felt a shuddering sensation, it was then, "Hahahaha! Thanks a lot you guys. It's just as plannedÔöÇÔöÇyou guys made Yggdrasil strong for me." The high-pitched loud laughter came from Hayes who was watching the battle. "Defeating the Ragnarok you said? Don't tell me that you guys seriously thought that its ability is just high-speed Regenerationn and parasitic ability?" Hayes laughed while toying with the jewel inside her hand. "I'll tell you something good. The greatest ability that is only possessed by Yggdrasil's main body is 『high-speed reinforcement』. If it gets attacked it will prepare resistance against that attack, it will also surpass the opponent in speed and power. It will evolve in the middle of battle and become strong endlessly."

Pretty sure resistance can get you out, many characters with resistance can do that. And she won't get freezed in the first place as I already showed with the scan of the resistance. Also, I'm sure freezing always needs the absorption of heat according to physics.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Heavily doubt that resisting freezing can make you get out of a block of ice. You need the strength to break the ice.

About the heat thing, well according to physics, but there are tons of ways to do that without absorbing the heat in the area. Namely someone form Code: Breaker does that same thing (freezing or ice), but he manipulates forms of water (so he can make vapour or ice anytime he wants), but not through absorbing or giving heat.

 

[Ionliosite]

How strong would SE need to be break the ice then?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

How strong would SE need to be break the ice then?

even being much stronger than ogami's low 7-c calc won't cut it. Cus rare kinds are >>>> power users (physically) and power users don't go down from the low 7-C hits and the one ogami froze is a rare kind.

So in Low 7-C i doubt the breaking the ice is happening. Not to mention Ogami can make the ice thicker if he wants.

 

[Ionliosite]

Sacred Eclipse is Low 7-C literally via literally being weaker than baseline 7-Cs. So, you can't have higher AP than her and still be Low 7-C.

Also, wasn't breaking from ice related to Lifting Strenght rather than AP?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

People who tank 2x below baseline 7-C, get stomped by people. So comparable at least. But he couldn't even act in ice.

Idk. Probably.

 

[Ionliosite]

Because SE's LS is like, millions of times above Ogami's, so this will be really important to the match.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, you kinda need to flex lifting shenanigans to break from something like that

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hmm. Ok last point, Rei burns her body without killing her. What can she do? So basically just removes her ability to move.

 

[Ionliosite]

What stops adaptation or just regenerating from that? Because Sacred Eclipse have survived some intense stuff. In fact, even without regen, she did this:

The face of the woman who had matured more than before smiled. But right after that, a repulsive transformation occurred on that strange shaped body that imitated the girl. "Gobah……!" The girl's head split open and fresh blood dyed her face and hair. Her pure white dress crumbled into tatters and countless whip marks emerged on her skin. Her whole body was hideously burned along with an offensive smell, her nails were torn off, countless holes opened on her soft skin. The fingers of her hands and feet fell in pieces on the ground. Her eyeballs fell out as though they were gouged out, her teeth were also falling. Her tongue vanished as though thye were extracted out, her skin was carbonized. Both her arms were decapitated, her shape was changing. From human to thing. The girl was changing shape into a wreckage of thing that was once a human. "ÔöÇÔöÇHey, Fugil. It's thanks to you." That existence that lost its original shape let out a voice that was unchanged in gentleness and elegance. "Thanks to you saving everyone without abandoning them, I amÔöÇÔöÇso" "…………" The mouth of the thing that was a girl before warped into the shape of crescent moon. And then, from the gouged out eye sockets, liquid that was like tear, like blood was flowing out. 『Elixir』ÔöÇÔöÇit was the secret medicine of Ruins that guided human to evolution. It was shining sparklingly with seven colors. "ÔöÇÔöÇHave you forgotten everything again? But unfortunately, Sacred Eclipse, I don't need that anymore." Fugil who saw that finally showed a slight reaction. "Your salvation is unnecessary for me. You can go, for the sake of the promise you are looking for. For the sake of the future that you yourself are wishing for. I won't do anything to hinder you." "…………" The thing that was called Sacred Eclipse stood still on the spot for a few seconds, then its figure suddenly vanished like smoke.

She survived this, so I doubt just burning her body is going to stop her.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Adaptation to the fire? Not a problem, he has like 5 types of flames that can do the same thing.

Also the point is, what can she do without her limbs and her powers nulled (from Belphegor)?

 

[Ionliosite]

If she loses her arms she can just create hundreds of tentacles, or clones, or summon other Abyss, Idk.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Tentacles can burn just the same, also to all of them, Belphegor will not allow them.

 

[Ionliosite]

So what are you asking for?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Im asking if ogami can incap by turning her into a limbless ball of meat that cannot use any powers.

 

[Ionliosite]

Pretty sure he can't null all of her powers, what I mentioned are part of her biology, her sounds can summon Abyss, her tentacles are just like her hands, the only thing I give you is the cloning, but she can create clones from her body fluids, so idk if he can stop that.

She can survive worse thing like that, like turning her into pieces won't incap her since she can regenerate to that, also, why are you just saying that she would be turned into a ball of meat without even trying to regenerate or adapt to the attack to not be adapted by the flames?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He can literally burn sound though But yeah he can just burn them normally then or freeze them.

Has she ever adapted to EE? What's the best thing she has adapted to?

 

[Ionliosite]

So you're saying he can null her biology? And reminder her LS makes freeing herself from a ice a non-issue.

Depends on how you measure "best".

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nah. But i meant her summons and stuff, he can just burn them, EE them etc.

What has she addapted to before?

 

[Ionliosite]

And he won't tire from oing that basically infinitely? Because Sacred Eclipse has much higher stamina than him.

Gravity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, End Action (which can negate her regen), Attacks from someone 10x stonger and 10x faster (aka, the one who she scales to became 10x faster and stronger by adapting to someone 10x faster and stronger than him), and I don't remember more right now.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He doesn't need to, his flame burns endlessly without him doing anything (amaterasu properties).

Those seem like pretty basic stuff compared to being erased body, heart and mind.

But the idea is he can leave the flame to burn her limbs and throat endlessly, since she can endure quite a bit before dying it helps.

And besides he just needs to incap her for 1 day or 12 hours

 

[Ionliosite]

And what will do once she adapts to them? The flames won't take effect.

Yeah, but if he just do that again and again basically endlessly she should be able to eventually adapt to it.

And what stops Regenerationn or adaptation to that? I'm still asking why she can't regenerate or adapt to it.

And how will he incap her exactly when she just regenerates or adapts to his attacks?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It's mostly about the summons.

Not really endlessly, just enough for an incap.

Flames. Adaptation as i said, adapting to ice isn't really the same as adapting to actual hax (dura neg stuff).

Btw is the adaptation an ability?

 

[Ionliosite]

And how is he planning to incap her again?

... How are the flames hax and ice isn't? (I know ice isn't hax, but still). And if you give someone an infinite amount of time, they will eventually do it.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nulling her powers and turning her limbless.

What's the point of this question then? XD it's not about the fire it's about the effect. You know ogami well enough now to know that his fires are fires in name only.

Is it an ability or biological trait?

 

[Ionliosite]

Again, turning her limbless won't incap her, so this is not an option. Literally nothing stops Regenerationn.

She would eventually gain resistance to them, Ogami can't kill her by any mean, and if he just keeps trhowing his fire at her she should eventually adapt.

Kinda hard to say, given it's having that ability what makes Yggdrasil Yggdrasil and it's explicity linked to it, and Sacred Eclipse just shares it with it due to her nature as the original Ragnarok.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The fire has regen negation on a cellular level (cannot regenerate cells while being burned).

He isn't throwing any more fire, the same fire, will continuously burn, without needing for him to add more due to being inextinguishable.

Hmm, would it be power nulled by belphegor?