Regarding the decision to disqualify 1-A for automatic High-Godly Regenerationn...

[KingPin0422]

I remember a thing about 1-A characters once having High-Godly Regenerationn as they were "above existence", but that seems to be gone as that, along with the whole thing about them being "indescribable by science or mathematics", apparently has been used for things below 1-A and there could be higher complexities in the 1-A range.

However, the very definition of High-Godly is that you can regenerate from higher-dimensional erasure, whether it be all aspects of your existence along with your entire plane of existence being destroyed or having your concept erased by someone of a higher plane of existence.

But if we consider that 1-A is logically beyond any dimensional scale, then it makes no sense that they should have anything lower than High-Godly. Especially since their status as being formless and undimensioned means that their existence is not physical in any sense.

 

[KingPin0422]

Actually, thinking about it, shouldn't they have automatic True Godly Regenerationn?

I mean, sure, it's unlikely for a baseline 1-A to recover from outerversal destruction, but let's think here.

Mid-Godly covers Regenerationn from all aspects of existence being erased as the baseline, then we have more advanced levels like regenerating from conceptual erasure, existence + nonexistence erasure, etc.

High-Godly has the same criteria, but on a higher-dimensional scale. Either you have no plane of existence to regenerate from, or someone on a higher plane of existence erases you.

The thing about 1-A is that it is beyond all dimensions, so all of these degrees of erasure shouldn't mean anything to them. Dimensional concepts and nonexistences are irrelevant.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well, two things:

1. You probably already assume that the 1-A in question is 1-A also in regards to durability.

Technically a Haruhi Suzumiya with 1-A powers isn't something that is impossible or would not make sense. So a 1-A character that is easily killed by normal physical injury is possible.

2. Assuming we talk about a character with 1-A durability as well, you still make the mistake to confuse tanking an attack with regenerating from it.

There is a difference between all dimensions being erased together with yourself and the all dimensions being erased, but you are unharmed. Only the latter is something 1-A durability would imply.

Simply speaking they don't have High-Godly without feats of it, since the feat they would need is actually regenerating from being destroyed by attacks, not being unharmed by it or surviving it. Essentially 1-A durability is better than lower plain of existence Regenerationn, but it isn't Regenerationn in any way.

(there is also the fact that Regenerationn is of course always relative to the level of the user. Regenerating an arm is more impressive for a 1-A, where that probably involves recreating something larger than many lower levels of reality than for a 10-C. The end purpose of it when seen relative to their level is the same, though)

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean, sure, it's unlikely for a baseline 1-A to recover from outerversal destruction, but let's think here.

Huh what's the confusion? an 1-A need to recover from outerversal destruction to have True godly regen, not from dimensional destruction, also nonexistence on 1-A scale can still affect them, just like how Tenma Yato can time stop 1-A or Hajun can erase 1-A too.

 

[ProspectX]

"Technically a Haruhi Suzumiya with 1-A powers isn't something that is impossible or would not make sense. So a 1-A character that is easily killed by normal physical injury is possible."

Well you can obtain a outerversal "tool" and not being outerversal normally one self. Like the shining trapezohedron.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Lel i'm pretty sure you need to be 1-A to wield Shining Trapezohedron.

 

[KingPin0422]

@DT

I see. That makes sense.

Before we close this thread, though, I have one question:

How would High-Godly Regenerationn work for a full 1-A?

I know that it's basically "you can regenerate on a higher plane of existence" for those below 1-A, but for a completely outerversal entity, how would this be any different from True Godly Regenerationn as we have it in, for example, Masadaverse?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Frankly i don't understand the difference between High Godly and True Godly regen(yep True Godly have bad explanation on how it work)and only see True Godly as High Godly but on 1-A scale.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Interesting question.

I am not sure whether a character that is a full 1-A can have just High-Godly Regenerationn.

For a less powerful character there is a distinction between High Godly and True Godly, but since for a full 1-A the reality they are within is Outerversal being erased from the reality they are in and being erased on a level beyond the confines of dimensions is exactly the same.

So I would say any full 1-A character that has High-Godly Regenerationn would also have true godly Regenerationn.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Frankly i don't understand the difference between High Godly and True Godly regen(yep True Godly have bad explanation on how it work)and only see True Godly as High Godly but on 1-A scale.

That... is pretty much what I think it is.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Lel Its amazing that after several revisions True Godly regen still have bad explanation on how it work and via its explanation is practically indistinguishable from High Godly Regen but on 1-A scale(like what the point of True Godly regen if it just 1-A High Godly).

 

[KingPin0422]

Alright.

Technically, being erased from your reality is Mid-Godly, and High-Godly is being erased on a higher reality, either because your reality was destroyed alongside you or you were directly erased by someone on a higher reality.

Meaning, True Godly can cover both Mid-Godly and High-Godly when it comes to totally outerversal characters. Doubt it covers Low-Godly though.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

In conclusion True Godly Regen is exaggerated High-Godly.

 

[KingPin0422]

I mean... when it comes to outerversal characters, the Outer Gods from the Cthulhu Mythos are the only "true outerversals" given that they are basically beyond all conceptual and realistic scales.

But it would be unfair for them to have a level of Regenerationn that nobody else has.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean im not even sure from where is the Outer Gods regen come from as you cant even affected them in the first place(that's how their immortality work) and as far as im aware the Outer Gods got their regen when at some point in time where every 1-A got high godly regen by default because apparanly in theory every 1-A have high godly by default(yep there are time when this is acceptable without even need to show feats) and with that theory the Outer Gods should have True godly as well despite you literally can't affect them in the first place lel.

 

[Golden_Void]

Highlighted because this was a staff topic as well.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Outer Gods regen comes from them being a direct part of Azathoth. It's like SMT gods which are tied to the minds of humans across the multiverse so even if erased from existence they come back.

Even if you were to kill an Outer God they'd come back while Azathoth is dreaming as it is a primal and essential part of its dream.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So True Godly is just High and Mid Godly but on a greater scale? Someone with True Godly regen would essentially have a cocktail of immortality mixed in, on top of the usual immortality that comes with being 1-A, would they not? Probably not always, but often. It seems like that is what The Outer Gods of the mythos have, Relient Immortality (or I guess Relient "Existence" would be a better term) in combination with their standard immortality, and thus will always regenerate no matter what, at least from what I am getting from all this

 

[KingPin0422]

So the problem I'm seeing here is that True Godly, as it is currently described, is just Mid/High-Godly on an outerversal scale.

...Well then.

I have no idea what could be a better way to describe True Godly so that it actually feels truly godly and isn't basically just really powerful Mid/High-Godly.

 

[KingPin0422]

Well, the original topic was "why don't 1-A characters have inherent High-Godly anymore?" and then it turned into a discussion on how True Godly Regenerationn is useless as it is literally a fancy way of saying "outerversal Mid/High-Godly".

Perhaps another thread should be made regarding this issue?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

True Godly Regenerationn is useless as it is literally a fancy way of saying "outerversal Mid/High-Godly".

Yep literally this, in fact before the big true godly revision, true godly regen is literally indistinguishable from mid godly regen alone, now it indistinguishable from high godly regen...

 

[Antvasima]

Well, since 1-A characters are far beyond the confines of any form of physical reality/existence itself, their avatars should logically be able to recover from any degree of destruction within it, if the higher entities should choose to restore them, which is what High Godly is, as far as I understand it.

However, I am not the best person to ask (DarkLK would be a better option), and also do not remember the results of our last discussion about this topic so well.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, this is the kind of topic that easily spirals out of control, and should only be highlighted as a staff & former staff thread.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

True Godly: Able to regenerate from being erased on a level beyond the confines and concept of dimensions themselves.

Also just saying like what DT has explained above, dimensionals destruction won't even scratch any 1-A, thus its nothing impressive to regenerate from beyond dimensionals destruction is you are beyond dimensions themself.

 

[Megamangohan]

agree

 

[Ryukama]

Wouldn't this just be a matter of tanking such levels of destruction? Like it's not about regenerating after you were destroyed by an attack like this, it's an attack like this not even affecting you in the first place? Perhaps regenerating from the destruction of you and outerversal structures may work for a Regenerationn level like this. But I am not sure if giving every 1-A character this since the destruction of dimensions/reality wouldn't damage them.

 

[KingPin0422]

@Antvasima

The problem that I see here is that for a 1-A, True Godly Regenerationn is just Mid-Godly Regenerationn, as the reality they occupy is in fact beyond the confines of dimensions.

 

[Antvasima]

We cannot give every 1-A character True Godly Regenerationn, unless they have proven to, or been reliably defined as, being able to recover from being destroyed on a beyond dimensional level.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The problem is anyone thats not Tier 1-A but have mid/high godly regen, can have True godly regen if you upgraded their Tier to 1-A because they totally can regen from a beyond dimensional level if you happen to destroy them.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Btw forget about the OP because this is the topic.

Well, the original topic was "why don't 1-A characters have inherent High-Godly anymore?" and then it turned into a discussion on how True Godly Regenerationn is useless as it is literally a fancy way of saying "outerversal Mid/High-Godly".

Perhaps another thread should be made regarding this issue?

 

[Antvasima]

There is no problem here. Recovering from destruction at a dimensional level is nothing special for a character beyond the confines of all degrees of space and time.

We need some kind of Regenerationn level to define characters that are able to reconstruct themselves on a scale where scale does not even have a meaning anymore.

This topic does not seem constructive or to lead anywhere, so I think that it should preferably be closed.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree. There is a world of difference between being erased on a limited dimensional level to being erased beyond basically everything. Read the transduality page to get more insight into the nature of 1-A beings and why erasing them, and they returning is impressive.

 

[KingPin0422]

I still feel like this should be another topic, as it is unrelated to the question asked in the OP (which has pretty much been answered anyway).

 

[Antvasima]

DarkLK gave me instructions how to accurately rewrite the Transduality page. Apparently it does not even take a 1-A being to transcend this scale.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

No, I more care if you guys give the True Godly regen better explanation on the Regenerationn page rather than Recovering from destruction beyond dimensional level, because any 1-A with mid/high godly regen can do that.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the description texts should preferably be brief and easy to understand, which the current one seems to be.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

But the current one is indistinguishable from mid/high godly but on 1-A scale.

 

[Antvasima]

The lower degrees of Regenerationn simply concern different degrees of physical destruction, whereas True Godly is reserved for characters that can recover from being erased on a level unfathomably transcending the physical. The distinction is not hard to understand, and this thread seems like a massive time-waster that will keep going in circles.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Transduality not being 1-A makes no sense to me.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Any 1-A with regen can do that because they already at level unfathomably transcending the physical realm. Also just saying but Ant you say that DT is one of the most intelligent member on this wiki and yet according to him base on the regen explanation, true godly regen is high godly regen on 1-A scale.