Red Bulborb vs Betelgeuse

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so here's the deal. See, Pikmin 4 gave Red Bulborbs and practically every other enemy the ability to eat ghosts. That's pretty much the whole point of the night missions. Said ghosts look like this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Glow_Pikmin

Betelgeuse is a ghost: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Betelgeuse

Except there's one problem. Glow Pikmin are stupid. Betelgeuse is capable of human thought. Glow Pikmin are stupid. Betelgeuse supposedly gradutated from an ivy league business school. Glow Pikmin are stupid. Betelgeuse can possess shit.

There is one problem with that... Bulborbs can ignore possession. See, there is a Pikmin type called the Bulbmin: https://www.pikminwiki.com/Bulbmin

Bulbmin are parasitic Pikmin that takes control of the minds of organisms, usually targeting Bulborbs; however, Bulbmin are incapable of controlling the insatiable appetite of the Bulborb, therefore Bulborbs can't exactly be possessed.

Also, if a fraking Yellow Pikmin can wake one up just by lightly tapping it, I don't think a Bulborb is going to appreciate Betelgeuse's company:



So what do we do here? Let's equalize the speed of both out combatants. The battle also takes place on the model graveyard you find Betelgeuse in, because there's no way in hell Betelgeuse is able to get to Central Park. Anyway, here's the Bulborb's profile as Betelgeuse's profile is already provided earlier:

Red Bulborb

The Red Bulborb is a prominent enemy in the Pikmin franchise, serving as a staple to the franchise alongside Olimar and his Pikmin. The Red Bulborb is a fairly common large-sized enemy that appeared in all Pikmin games (minus Pikmin Bloom), often seen sleeping in the various environments in the...

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Who takes this?

Red Bulborb: 0
Betelgeuse: 0
Inconclusive: 0

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Betelgeuse should probably be able to take this. He has the immortality and stamina to survive the Bulborb’s attacks, he can evade its attacks with his flying, and he can become a big spike for massive damage. I don’t really see the Bulborb incapacitating him before he figures out that it’s back is it’s weak point and just beats the hell out of it.

Alex Brightman except it’s not Alex Brightman FRA

 

[Imaginym]

This sounds like basis to put Resistance to Possession on a Bulborb's profile.

BTW, what size is depowered Betelgeuse? & what are the AP of the two?

Small Size (Type 1; noted to be 90 mm long[1]).

About 9 cm, or a little over 3 & a half inches.

 

[AThe1412]

Bulbmin's possession is biological while Beetlejuice's is spiritual so you can't equate them.

 

[Imaginym]

Bulbmin's possession is biological while Beetlejuice's is spiritual so you can't equate them.

I think that I agree. Nonetheless, a Resistance to that on its profile could end up being relevant in some circumstances, even if it isn't so for this match.

 

[HonestlyBored24]

BTW, what size is depowered Betelgeuse?

He’s either around the same size as a house fly.

 

[Imaginym]

He’s either around the same size as a house fly.

By either, I assume you mean that size, or his humanoid size in his freed form of his other key?

 

[HonestlyBored24]

By either, I assume you mean that size, or his humanoid size in his freed form of his other key?

Thats his depowered size.

 

[Flashlight237]

Would the Red Bulborb possibly incapacitate Betelgeuse if he eats him given Red Bulborbs can eat Glow Pikmin (who are more or less ghosts according to Olimar and Louie)? Should note that Winged Pikmin are among the creatures Bulborbs eat, although being fair, all species of Pikmin have an IQ of -5 or something.

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Would the Red Bulborb possibly incapacitate Betelgeuse if he eats him given Red Bulborbs can eat Glow Pikmin (who are more or less ghosts according to Olimar and Louie)? Should note that Winged Pikmin are among the creatures Bulborbs eat, although being fair, all species of Pikmin have an IQ of -5 or something.

Betelgeuse could probably just spike the Bulborb if it tries that.

 

[Flashlight237]

Betelgeuse could probably just spike the Bulborb if it tries that.

Yeah, I can see how that might cause internal bleeding.

 

[Imaginym]

Would the Red Bulborb possibly incapacitate Betelgeuse if he eats him given Red Bulborbs can eat Glow Pikmin (who are more or less ghosts according to Olimar and Louie)? Should note that Winged Pikmin are among the creatures Bulborbs eat, although being fair, all species of Pikmin have an IQ of -5 or something.

This may hurt.

Shapeshifting and Body Control (Ghosts in general are able to stretch out their body parts and morph them into different shapes[1]. He can make spikes come out of his body[1]
Also, Flight, Immortality Type 2 & 3 (Mid Regeneration.)
Also:
Invisibility (Ghosts cannot be seen by the living and are unable to be picked up even by cameras[1]. However, they are able to be seen by the "strange and unusual"[1]. Beetlejuice, due to being a more experienced ghost, however, is able to reveal his presence to others as he pleases for the purpose of scaring them[1])

Would the Bulborb qualify as the right type of "strange and unusual" to be able to perceive a ghost-like Betelgeuse?
Or could Enhanced Senses help?

Also, IDK the AP gap, & IDK if it applies for its jaw power, but for what it's worth, the Red Bulborb has a crazy LS advantage.

Betelgeuse
Lifting Strength: Below Average Human (Despite being the size of a doll, he is able to pull in and restrain a housefly[1])
Assuming he didn't have some kind of leverage to help him....

Housefly:
Lifting Strength: Below Average Human (Can lift 10 milligrams)

Red Bulborb:
Lifting Strength: Below Average Human (Lifted and threw a car wheel rim, which can weigh 27 lbs; said rim reached high enough to meet Olimar's eye level while Olimar was on top of an excavator[5])

Surprised this doesn't have a calc. 27 lbs alone would be huge at their size, I bet, & yet it THREW that mass, which would increase the yield much.
....Even if I am unsure what anatomy the Bulborb has to make use of said LS. (Haven't checked the video, for one.)
But uhhh, yeah, if we're to take that estimation as a measure (It is on the profile, then....)

27 lbs divided by 10 milligrams = 1,224,699.4

So, uhhh, yeah. Betelgeuse might've had some mechanical leverage against the fly, but it apparently doesn't matter, since the Red Bulborb outlifts him by over ONE MILLION TIMES.
He could be 1,000 times stronger than the fly & he'd still be getting outlifted by the Red Bulborb!

 

[Flashlight237]

Immortality Type 2 & 3 (Mid Regeneration.)

Red Bulborbs can eat Glow Pikmin, which based on Piklopedia entries have High Regen.

Would the Bulborb qualify as the right type of "strange and unusual" to be able to perceive a ghost-like Betelgeuse?
Or could Enhanced Senses help?

I dunno what Betelgeuse's definition of "strange and unusual" is myself. If this were real life, seeing a Bulborb would probably be like seeing Bigfoot, but that's just my guess. @DimeUhDozen had dove into the verse before, but I've yet to see any results.

Also, IDK the AP gap, & IDK if it applies for its jaw power, but for what it's worth, the Red Bulborb has a crazy LS advantage.

I think the general rule of thumb is to compare 10-C entities with real-life creatures. The Bulborb would probably compare to a mouse. I have calc'd higher, but last time I tried to get a CRT through, it died.

 

[Imaginym]

I dunno what Betelgeuse's definition of "strange and unusual" is myself. If this were real life, seeing a Bulborb would probably be like seeing Bigfoot, but that's just my guess. @DimeUhDozen had dove into the verse before, but I've yet to see any results.

Hopefully we can get their insights, then.

I think the general rule of thumb is to compare 10-C entities with real-life creatures. The Bulborb would probably compare to a mouse.

What's on the profile is on the profile, though. Lifting 27 lbs at all is crazy high compared to Betelgeuse.

I have calc'd higher, but last time I tried to get a CRT through, it died.

Interesting. May be worth revisiting, no?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I dunno what Betelgeuse's definition of "strange and unusual" is myself. If this were real life, seeing a Bulborb would probably be like seeing Bigfoot, but that's just my guess. @DimeUhDozen had dove into the verse before, but I've yet to see any results.

Hello, yello! So, in the original Beetlejuice, the “I myself am strange and unusual” was the only basis for how Lydia was able to see ghosts. But in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, this is further explained as a psychic power she has that allows her specifically to see ghosts, which is a trait that is passed down to her child Astrid despite her being a normal teen. So, I don’t think the “strange and unusual” seeing ghosts argument is really a… thing anymore.

 

[AThe1412]

Beetlejuice stomps then. The Bulborb not only cannot see him but is also susceptible to spiritual possession.

 

[Imaginym]

Hello, yello! So, in the original Beetlejuice, the “I myself am strange and unusual” was the only basis for how Lydia was able to see ghosts. But in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, this is further explained as a psychic power she has that allows her specifically to see ghosts, which is a trait that is passed down to her child Astrid despite her being a normal teen. So, I don’t think the “strange and unusual” seeing ghosts argument is really a… thing anymore.

What do you mean "despite her being a normal teen"?
Despite that Lydia was? Despite that Astrid is? Despite it being apparently hereditary, albeit, possibly dormant until teen years? Despite that normal teens can't see ghosts? Something else?

Also, to the Bulborb's credit, it might be able to detect by touch.

Enhanced Senses (Despite being a nocturnal creature,[2][3][4] its eyesight is unhindered by the daylight. Extremely touch-sensitive since a light tap from a Yellow Pikmin's foot woke it up[5])

& it does have a huge LS advantage, although I'm not sure which anatomy it uses for that? Can it use it with its jaws?

Still, Beetlejuice, if this form of him is housefly sized, is notably smaller than the 9 cm long Bulborb, yet has Flight, & some offensive Body Control.
Even if Bulborb can perceive him, which is doubtful, at least for perceiving in any particularly effective maner, it's outmaneuvered & outsmarted against a small target.

Its only advantages might be Range by Size & LS.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

What do you mean "despite her being a normal teen"?
Despite that Lydia was? Despite that Astrid is? Despite it being apparently hereditary, albeit, possibly dormant until teen years? Despite that normal teens can't see ghosts? Something else?

Despite Astrid being normal. Everyone assumed prior that the reason Lydia was able to see ghosts was because she was just weird in general, and it was based upon her own uneducated hypothesis in the famous scene where she states such.

Astrid displays none of the traits Lydia did besides her angst, or could even be considered remotely “strange and unusual”, and the film leans into the direction that it is a hereditary thing and not a rule anyone weird can use.

 

[Imaginym]

Despite Astrid being normal. Everyone assumed prior that the reason Lydia was able to see ghosts was because she was just weird in general, and it was based upon her own uneducated hypothesis in the famous scene where she states such.

Astrid displays none of the traits Lydia did besides her angst, or could even be considered remotely “strange and unusual”, and the film leans into the direction that it is a hereditary thing and not a rule anyone weird can use.

So the ability to see ghosts is just a weird hereditary trait in their universe?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

So the ability to see ghosts is just a weird hereditary trait in their universe?

Mhm!

 

[Imaginym]

Mhm!

Alright.

Well, assuming this isn't a stomp in Betelgeuse's favor (Unlikely that it isn't.) due to the stuff about Red Bulborb mentioned, voting Betelgeuse.
Otherwise, stomp, lol, & stomps aren't to be voted on.