Re:Zero Od = Life

[TheHeavenlySword]

The od, also known as the soul, is the foundation of life, and the wellspring of life, it is ones own life energy, synonymous with the soul.
A specific and finite amount of od is decided at birth which determines a persons' lifespan and the result of its depletion is death. Creating od is equivalent to creating life.
Due to its similar nature to mana, the od can be absorbed by spirits, and can be burned up to cast magic instead of mana but doing that is equivalent to shaving your own life away.

In conclusion, the od is a persons literal life force. It exists in a constant state of being consumed to sustain the individual's life, and once its completely exhausted, reaching zero, the individual would die.

With that said:

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Death Manipulation

Any character that can directly destroy or Absorb someone else's od, soul, or their life force, should qualify for Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Death Manipulation.

• Julius
• Priscilla
• Eugard
• Halibel
• Groovy
• Puck
• Reinhard
• Reid
• Satella
• Regulus
• Spirits (Absorption)
• Ulgarm (their curse can rob the targets life force)

Additionally:

Alter - Volcanica​

• Death Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (All of his attacks are lethal, even a mere graze a few millimeters deep could pluck out the life of his opponent. An individuals' life is their very own od, synonymous with the soul. Damage to the soul, also damages the mind, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)

Holy Swords - Enchanted Swords​

• Death Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (Holy Swords and Enchanted Swords are instant-kill certain-death weapons, the instant they make contact the opponents life would be forfeit. An individuals' life is their very own od, synonymous with the soul. Damage to the soul, also damages the mind, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)

The LN scan here actually says Demonic Sword, I changed it to Enchanted Sword, because that was likely just a mistranslation. since both of them use the same word (魔剣, Maken), and demonic swords aren't even a thing in Re:Zero.​

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Resurrection Mid-Godly

Death in the Re:Zero world means your own od-soul-life had ceased to exist and went back to Od Lagna, whether it was naturally burned up from old age, used for magic, destroyed, or absorbed.

Characters who can resurrect their own od back from that state should qualify for a Mid-Godly Resurrection:

• Reinhard
• Subaru
• Aldebaran
• Pandora

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Nonexistent Physiology

This would only apply to the dead souls of the undead, basically the undead can stick around even after having kicked the bucket, they completely lack an existent od-life to be dispersed by Halibel curse. In other words their od have already reached a 0 when they died, the sacrament of the immortal king simply allows it to still function in that nonexistent state.

This would grant this characters a Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 3 & 5 "Life").

• Sphinx
• Balleroy
• Eugard
• Rowan
• Theresia
• Kurgan

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Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I'm confident this thread will be rejected because it isn't correct. Remember my words.

What I see here is simply Soul Absorption, Soul Manipulation, and Life Manipulation, Age Manipulation

Also, killing someone with a single strike, a scratch, or even something more trivial—like blowing air at them and killing them—does not qualify as Death Manipulation.

I suggest you review the Life Manipulation ability page, because it seems you forgot that such an ability already exists. The arguments you've presented do not establish Death Manipulation.

Life Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the life force that courses inside living beings or the very concept of life itself.

And this is also simply Age Manipulation.

Age Manipulation is the ability to control the age of one's self, other organisms, and/or objects. This can be used in a variety of ways, such as returning a target to a much younger state, rendering them a helpless child, or to rapidly age others, to old age and potentially even their death. In some cases, this effect is so powerful that it can reduce a user's surroundings to dust.

As for Mid-Godly Regeneration, you're mistaken there as well.
Subaru already has Type 4 Immortality, since after his death, his soul is sent back to the past. This itself proves that his soul does not die when his body dies, and the same applies to his mind. Therefore, there is no need to bring up the other characters you listed.

Regarding NEP 1, I don't see any evidence supporting it. Instead, what I see is Type 7 Immortality. (Please take a look at the Immortality page, specifically Type 7, so you'll understand what I mean.)

Undead: Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality. This includes characters who can keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying.

As I said, your thread will be rejected. This will be my last comment here; I was only explaining my reasoning.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Depend how interpret this: Od came from nothingness(Od Lagna?)

——An abominable technique left behind by the Vicious Old Man, Olbart Dunkelkenn.

By meddling with the Od of others, the Shinobi’s secret infantilization technique could remarkably reverse the growth of one’s body.

All living beings were naught more than containers for that which came into existence from nothingness, the Od. Depending on the shape of the Od, the size and form of the container would vary accordingly.

Therefore, all living creatures would don different appearances, and establish themselves as unique life forms.

If this theory was correct, that the body only served as a container for the Od, then by altering the shape of one’s Od, the form of its container could be altered freely.

By compressing one’s Od, then the body, serving as the container, could also be shrunk—— –Volume 31, Chapter 2

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

I suggest you review the Life Manipulation ability page, because it seems you forgot that such an ability already exists. The arguments you've presented do not establish Death Manipulation.

Life Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the life force that courses inside living beings or the very concept of life itself.

Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means. This can manifest as the inexplicable death of an individual, the direct cessation of biological functions, dispersal of life force and more.

And this is also simply Age Manipulation.

nothing about this affect the age of others.

Subaru already has Type 4 Immortality, since after his death, his soul is sent back to the past. This itself proves that his soul does not die when his body dies, and the same applies to his mind. Therefore, there is no need to bring up the other characters you listed.

Souls after death also go back to Od Lagna, this has nothing to do with my argument.

 

[UrongSygn1]

Wasnt the Od accepted as CM3?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

nothing about this affect the age of others.


Souls after death also go back to Od Lagna, this has nothing to do with my argument.

Well, I'm fine with Death Manipulation then, as long as these characters are capable of causing instant death by removing the target's entire life force at once. Otherwise, I don't think it qualifies as Death Manipulation.

As for Mid-Godly Resurrection, I think it's fine.

Regarding NEP 1, after reading your arguments, I think I understand what you mean now. However, I don't understand why you didn't include the Mind and Soul aspects. According to your own definition at the beginning, the soul = the Od, since you said that the Od is synonymous with the soul. You also said that the mind is equivalent to the spiritual aspect. That should grant them those aspects as well.

Otherwise, I suspect they simply continue to exist as souls after death, in which case this would just be Immortality Type 7.

Also, has it already been accepted that the Od = the body, soul, and mind, or is this the first time you're proposing this interpretation? Because if it's the latter, then I think this point would need further discussion and verification.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

Wasnt the Od accepted as CM3?

that's its own CRT, I can't add it here.

Regarding NEP 1, after reading your arguments, I think I understand what you mean now. However, I don't understand why you didn't include the Mind and Soul aspects. According to your own definition at the beginning, the soul = the Od, since you said that the Od is synonymous with the soul. You also said that the mind is equivalent to the spiritual aspect. That should grant them those aspects as well.

Aspect 1, 3 are spiritual and mental nonexistence.

Also, has it already been accepted that the Od = the body, soul, and mind, or is this the first time you're proposing this interpretation? Because if it's the latter, then I think this point would need further discussion and verification.

it was accepted that od = soul & mind, and they all already have low godly resurrections which include the body.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

that's its own CRT, I can't add it here.


Aspect 1, 3 are spiritual and mental nonexistence.

it was accepted that od = soul & mind, and they all already have low godly resurrections which include the body.

I didn't notice that you wrote 1 and 3.

 

[Hercules1125]

Agree

 

[Fezzih_007]

I kinda iffy on Death Manipulation.

It is important to note that just causing death via other abilities or indirect means (such as soul destruction, physical damage, deconstruction etc.) in itself does not qualify for Death Manipulation unless it is specified or portrayed to be a direct inducement of death in its targets with these being aftereffects of that.

Even with the Soul = Life, the characters are killing the target with Soul Manipulation, not by induncing direct Death on them.

Yes, they are affecting their life force, but that would just be Life Manipulation I think?

Life Stealing/Instant Death: Some life manipulators are able to steal life energy or simply remove the life energy from an opponent's body to grievously harm or kill the target.

Or one of the examples in the page says It can do what Re:Zero chars are doing.

It could overlap, but the difference is:

The character affect someone life force = Life Manipulation

The character causes Death on target = Death Manipulation.

For me atleast, It seems more the former than the latter.

I neutral on that, this is just my opinion.