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Hmm, seems pretty cool
Narumi is a skill merchant and Sasaki also looks incredibly skilled, he’ll be a problem if he doesn’t lose fast.

On Taiyo’s end he’s got two stacking dura amps with Hardening and True Spring Blooming and his decent Low-Mid. (So dura neg against him helps)
Taiyo also has the range edge, he could probably just Hundreds of Meters Omnidirectional blast the area with his electricity while in True Spring Blooming a couple times to put down Toji and Sasaki.

In this equal stats setting are any of them killing Kokushibo? High-Mid is a problem.
Besides Toji with SSK.
 
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i mean stats are equalized, but kokushibo regens fast enough for quadruple digit mach characters to state the regen is extremely fast and his info analysis abilities are better than supecomputers since he can read muichiro's genome in seconds and determine his ancestry, his breath forms have decent range he has infinite stamina so he can spam them and his pseudo precog is busted enough to block techniques the moment someone even thinks about them from people who can casually make up new techniques tailor made for the situation at hand like it's nothing then perform them skillfuly without flinching


idk but like, can anyone here or all of them deal with that, or kill him at all?

edit: ig maybe toji can but koku's interaction with the SSK is iffy because every demon fundemantally has flesh manipulation, by verse equalization koku should be aware of the shape of his soul since the shape of the body is always dependent on the shape of the soul so he should be able to regen trough the SSK, or at least just make en entirely new arm by manipulating his flesh

either ways, it's an iffy interaction at best
 
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idk but like, can anyone here or all of them deal with that, or kill him at all?
Looking at the level of Kokushibo’s regen neg resistance, I don’t think so besides Toji.
Ignoring skill that combined with infinite stamina means they ain’t killing him easily.

Maybe Taiyo’s ctg lightning bolt can vaporize him via heat, cause I don’t remember demons having any notable heat resistance at all. His regen is really fast but Taiyo’s heat is way above what’s needed to vape organic tissue as well. So I’m unsure on that.
 
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edit: ig maybe toji can but koku's interaction with the SSK is iffy because every demon fundemantally has flesh manipulation, by verse equalization koku should be aware of the shape of his soul since the shape of the body is always dependent on the shape of the soul so he should be able to regen trough the SSK, or at least just make en entirely new arm by manipulating his flesh
That isn't how it works in jjk. The soul when damaged still needs to be rct'ed independent of the body being rct'ed, this is explicitly why Sukuna has to focus on rcting his soul and can't rct his body's wound. This is also a metaphorical distinction that Mahito follows with soul reshaping rather than the entire verse follows where rct itself heals the soul. If it's not clear enough, Kokushibou would also need his regen skill analyzed and from what I know demons regen isn't skill based, it's physiological. Also verse equalization doesn't mean we equalize every aspect, especially with ce and bda being fundamentally different.

i mean stats are equalized, but kokushibo regens fast enough for quadruple digit mach characters to state the regen is extremely fast and his info analysis abilities are better than supecomputers since he can read muichiro's genome in seconds and determine his ancestry, his breath forms have decent range he has infinite stamina so he can spam them and his pseudo precog is busted enough to block techniques the moment someone even thinks about them from people who can casually make up new techniques tailor made for the situation at hand like it's nothing then perform them skillfuly without flinching
Gen Narumi's senses would show the regen moving extremely slow down to the electrons, he'd see how the guy's gonna regen and which part starts regening slower or faster, and target weaker parts. He's got dura neg that likely would render Kokushibo's regen ineffective in addition to the senses being better.
 
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That isn't how it works in jjk. The soul when damaged still needs to be rct'ed independent of the body being rct'ed,
....that doesn't contradict the statement that the body is dependent on the shape of the soul, if the soul itself is cut then the body explicitly cannot be regened beause there is no shape it can be regened as, nullifying the effects of RCTs that by prior information needs the framewrork of the soul to shape the body, demons bypass this limitation because of their physiology, they can even make multiple organs, turn flrsh to teeth become a fish like gyokko etc

this is explicitly why Sukuna has to focus on rcting his soul and can't rct his body's wound
as i said above, if the shape of the body is dependent on the shape of the soul then by extention manipulting your body requires you to manipulate your soul, something that by verse equalization every demon is fundemantally capable of doing


the rest is irrelevent

Gen Narumi's senses would show the regen moving extremely slow down to the electrons

and the STW allows to see stuff down to the genetic level, and kokushibo can easily and accuratelt read someone's genome and determine their ancestry in seconds, not to mention this is the pinnacle of sensory preception that trumps even tanjiro's futre smell precog and allows you enhanced preception and speed, koku himself can see the world in slow motion, the extent of which was potent enough that even tanjro who just unlocked the STW was capable of seeing akaza, an opponenent who could once blitz him in slow motion, Gen is doing nothing here
he'd see how the guy's gonna regen and which part starts regening slower or faster, and target weaker parts.
that's assuming he even can?

like what? koku isn't going to stand there doing nothing, how would he even target "weaker slower part" in a target of similar size to him and with regen that's fundemantally different than what he is used to?
the regen is fast enough that even with opponents of similar speeds gyutaro was able to regen his legs and detoxify poison that weakens him before tengen's already in motion sword reaches his neck, so the methodology here is fundemantally flawed

if anything literally just explain how do you think this would go?
how is he gonna do this?



He's got dura neg that likely would render Kokushibo's regen ineffective in addition to the senses being better.

how would his dura neg render koku's regen useless?

senses being better how?
does he have something that's superior to future sens or smth?

like bruh prove your claims and substantiate them, you did nothing here but say "he will do this and he can do that" without explaining how he will and why he can and how it changes much of anything and it's effect on kokushibo who will actively fight back
 
Maybe Taiyo’s ctg lightning bolt can vaporize him via heat, cause I don’t remember demons having any notable heat resistance at all. His regen is really fast but Taiyo’s heat is way above what’s needed to vape organic tissue as well. So I’m unsure on that.
the shining red blade's mechanism is it induces some form of "heat" that propogates damage extremeely quickly and demons's regen is fast enough to overpower it, granted, it has difference potencies but wether the heat can do anything or not needs to proved considering, well, the regen is fast as hell and you'd need a constant damage output to overpower the regen speed for the vaporization to take place, this is laregly meaningless anyways unless there is something to indicate thermal energy transfer is occuring rapidly enough for the heat to do enough damage that the regen can't handles since thermal conduction relies on the conductivity and the difference in temperature and is not an instantaneous transfer of energy
 
....that doesn't contradict the statement that the body is dependent on the shape of the soul, if the soul itself is cut then the body explicitly cannot be regened beause there is no shape it can be regened as, nullifying the effects of RCTs that by prior information needs the framewrork of the soul to shape the body, demons bypass this limitation because of their physiology, they can even make multiple organs, turn flrsh to teeth become a fish like gyokko etc
You’re wrong on the basis of this. The statement isn’t that, its an unknown that depends on your perspective as Kenjaku said. This means Koku would need a clear understanding of his soul’s shape. And it does contradict what you’re trying to argue, Sukuna has to also reshape his soul along with rcting the body, if they were one in the same there’d be no need for the distinction, meaning first you’d need to show Koku understands this distinction like Yuji or Sukuna, then prove he has the means to interact with his soul.

....that doesn't contradict the statement that the body is dependent on the shape of the soul, if the soul itself is cut then the body explicitly cannot be regened beause there is no shape it can be regened as, nullifying the effects of RCTs that by prior information needs the framewrork of the soul to shape the body, demons bypass this limitation because of their physiology, they can even make multiple organs, turn flrsh to teeth become a fish like gyokko etc


as i said above, if the shape of the body is dependent on the shape of the soul then by extention manipulting your body requires you to manipulate your soul, something that by verse equalization every demon is fundemantally capable of doing


the rest is irrelevent



and the STW allows to see stuff down to the genetic level, and kokushibo can easily and accuratelt read someone's genome and determine their ancestry in seconds, not to mention this is the pinnacle of sensory preception that trumps even tanjiro's futre smell precog and allows you enhanced preception and speed, koku himself can see the world in slow motion, the extent of which was potent enough that even tanjro who just unlocked the STW was capable of seeing akaza, an opponenent who could once blitz him in slow motion, Gen is doing nothing here

that's assuming he even can?

like what? koku isn't going to stand there doing nothing, how would he even target "weaker slower part" in a target of similar size to him and with regen that's fundemantally different than what he is used to?
the regen is fast enough that even with opponents of similar speeds gyutaro was able to regen his legs and detoxify poison that weakens him before tengen's already in motion sword reaches his neck, so the methodology here is fundemantally flawed

if anything literally just explain how do you think this would go?
how is he gonna do this?





how would his dura neg render koku's regen useless?

senses being better how?
does he have something that's superior to future sens or smth?

like bruh prove your claims and substantiate them, you did nothing here but say "he will do this and he can do that" without explaining how he will and why he can and how it changes much of anything and it's effect on kokushibo who will actively fight back
You can just read the page lol. What I said to you is on page, he can see down to the atoms, foresee the person’s movements and its all slowed down for him. Same with the dura neg, in combination with his senses, the dura neg will make Koku’s regen ineffective because Gen will keep destroying him the moment he starts regeneration.
 
the shining red blade's mechanism is it induces some form of "heat" that propogates damage extremeely quickly and demons's regen is fast enough to overpower it, granted, it has difference potencies but wether the heat can do anything or not needs to proved considering, well, the regen is fast as hell and you'd need a constant damage output to overpower the regen speed for the vaporization to take place, this is laregly meaningless anyways unless there is something to indicate thermal energy transfer is occuring rapidly enough for the heat to do enough damage that the regen can't handles since thermal conduction relies on the conductivity and the difference in temperature and is not an instantaneous transfer of energy
Doesn’t really address what he said, how does Koku survive being vaped by lightning?
 
the shining red blade's mechanism is it induces some form of "heat" that propogates damage extremeely quickly and demons's regen is fast enough to overpower it, granted, it has difference potencies but wether the heat can do anything or not needs to proved considering, well, the regen is fast as hell and you'd need a constant damage output to overpower the regen speed for the vaporization to take place, this is laregly meaningless anyways unless there is something to indicate thermal energy transfer is occuring rapidly enough for the heat to do enough damage that the regen can't handles since thermal conduction relies on the conductivity and the difference in temperature and is not an instantaneous transfer of energy
Kokushibo doesn’t have heat resist on his profile and the potency of the heat is unknown besides it really hurting a lot.

Taiyo is capable of sustaining the lightning bolt for an extended period of time (we didn’t see how long in total cause it cut off screen mid way, but at the very least it’s several seconds and he can tank it himself). And it could instantly vaporize its way through an airship (hundreds of meters through it. The ship is massive) in order for the lightning bolt to come from outside and strike Taiyo and his opponent indoors. (It also scales above another weapon called Spring Thunder, also electricity which also instantly vaped the ceiling of a building on its way out. So the heat transfer is not slow)
Even a random casual attack of Taiyo’s manages to vaporize the top a skyscraper without issue with his normal electricity. (But that’s not on the profile yet, he has revisions on the way for when the series is over. So for now you can ignore it. It’s just to help get the idea across)

Plus Muzan iirc got burned up pretty bad from an immensely brief explosion.
So as far as I’m seeing it Koku might get vaped if Taiyo uses it on him.

Edit: Not related to Koku, but funny enough Gen’s vision being precise to the electrons means he’d actually be able to see the build up ions in the air before the lightning bolt hits him if Taiyo tried it on him. So that’s a bonus for Gen
 
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You’re wrong on the basis of this. The statement isn’t that, its an unknown that depends on your perspective as Kenjaku said.

clearly elaborate on this?
the statement was never contradicted to begin with and even the mechanism of RCT supports this by healing your sould then your body, "unkown" or not the explanation offered is consistent and makes sens, we can at least infer information about the mechanism from it
This means Koku would need a clear understanding of his soul’s shape.
which by verse equalization he would have because he can literally shape his body which is dependent on his soul to his will, and if he doesn't have that "understanding" he doesn't need it if he can simply shape it to the way he desires it to be, why does he need to know it?

And it does contradict what you’re trying to argue, Sukuna has to also reshape his soul along with rcting the body, if they were one in the same there’d be no need for the distinction
i never said they're the same, i stated if the soul's shape is dependent on the body then for you to manipulate your body like any random demon in demon slayer you'd need to also manipulate the shape of your sould to go along with it, which literally negates the SSK's regen negation because it's fudemantally a counter to the mechanism with which the regen is nullified

meaning first you’d need to show Koku understands this distinction like Yuji or Sukuna, then prove he has the means to interact with his soul.

no i don't?
you literally made that up, you'd also need to explain why someone who can manipulate the shape of his soul would need an understanding of it, i told you, by verse equalization and for the SSK to even to work the soul's shape needs to be a factor in regen, something that was never established in DS to begin with where the soul's effect/interaction with the body is largely unkown and the soul was never established to be a factor for regeneration

like literally, explain why based on the above stuff koku can't regen trough the SSK

You can just read the page lol. What I said to you is on page, he can see down to the atoms,
...which helps him how?
foresee the person’s movements and its all slowed down for him.
at best equal to the STW, nothing special?

Same with the dura neg,
brother you're arguing here, it's on you to actually answer my stuff
in combination with his senses, the dura neg will make Koku’s regen ineffective because Gen will keep destroying him the moment he starts regeneration.
...and how he will do that?
ah,i see, the regen is meaningless because koku is gonna stand still as gen is slashing him to peices before the regen that's fast enough to detoxify regen nullifyiing poison and heal entire limbs before the in movement slash from someone equal to you in speed moves a single meter

i feel like you literally just skimmed trough my stuff and said "lolz nah ain't proving shit he will do this and he just will LMAO"

like, really, just because you said something will happen doesn't mean it will, explain your side already


And it could instantly vaporize its way through an airship (hundreds of meters through it. The ship is massive) i
a ship would mostly be empty consdering, well, it's a ship, and what were the materials vaporized here?

because this stuff is usually wanked to obliviion in terms of heat output tbh

Plus Muzan iirc got burned up pretty bad from an immensely brief explosion.
anti demon gun powder exists, ubuyashiki likely used a more potent version of the one tengen was using given the time he had to prepare, and even without that assumption the explosion is largely unquantifiable
 
a ship would mostly be empty consdering, well, it's a ship, and what were the materials vaporized here?

because this stuff is usually wanked to obliviion in terms of heat output tbh
The Ship is primarily composed of metals both Externally and internally (IE stuff like Aluminum and Steel that’d be used for aircraft, except it’s everywhere; vaping any non-minuscule amount of that stuff in a short time is more than enough for human tissue) And the ship is not ultra empty, since it functions like a building/base having full rooms and such (more along the lines of that 80% hollowness you see in building calculations). So in a case like this, it’s still pretty overkill against someone with no heat resistance listed on his profile.
 
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i told you, by verse equalization and for the SSK to even to work the soul's shape needs to be a factor in regen
You’re basing your argument off verse equalization, something I never said in the op, and more importantly I also told you ce and bda are fundamentally not the same, there is no equalization to be done. And no SSK doesn’t need that, what are you even arguing at this point
 
I will personally say though I think Tanjiro is a bit more of an interesting discussion compared to Kokushibo. Cause realistically only some of the characters fighting here can actually kill Kokushibo (like idk maybe it’s a bit unfair?)
Plus he’s also got STW and skill in his bag. He even has regen neg on his side
 
I will personally say though I think Tanjiro is a bit more of an interesting discussion compared to Kokushibo. Cause realistically only some of the characters fighting here can actually kill Kokushibo (like idk maybe it’s a bit unfair?)
Plus he’s also got STW and skill in his bag. He even has regen neg on his side
There is just 5 characters, realistically all can’t kill one another some will have something over the other. And right now Kyoi, Toji, Gen all can reasonably destroy Koku to the point he dies out like he did against the Hashira, Gen especially can handle him and Koku still can die by decapitation, something he has to adapt to not allow and when that did happen he gave up. The guy may just have a worthy death from one of them and it’ll continue after that.
 
You’re basing your argument off verse equalization, something I never said in the op

how would the SSK katana interact with the regen then?
explain
, and more importantly I also told you ce and bda are fundamentally not the same

never said they were, idk why you're bringing this up
And no SSK doesn’t need that, what are you even arguing at this point
need what?
brother be more concise in your arguments, what do you need explained anyways

The Ship is primarily composed of metals both internally and internally (IE stuff like Aluminum and Steel that’d be used for aircraft, accept it’s everywhere) And the ship is not ultra empty, since it functions like a building/base having full rooms and such (more along the lines of that 80% hollowness you see in building calculations). So in a case like this, it’s still pretty overkill against someone with no heat resistance listed on his profile.
only assuming they don't have regen, vaporization works in two steps where first the temperature of the material is raised to the boiling point, and then all extra energy goes toward the latent heat of vaporization, which until the entire material is vaporized, the temperature of the vaporizing mass cannot exceed the boiling point, minor superheating can occur due to factors like surface tension resisting vapor pressure but the temp would still be in the couple thosuand C ranges, really, this mostly depends on how fast the thermal transfer is tha anything else, tho granted temperature transfer is dependent on a lot of material factors that go out of the window when magic bs isinvolvedand but i still severely doubt it's fast enough for at least quadruple mach characters to consider "fast" lol

tho, well, this can still be "questionable" at best

Plus he’s also got STW and skill in his bag. He even has regen neg on his side
i'd say koku is more skilled tbh but eh
 
how would the SSK katana interact with the regen then?
explain
There’s no reason to, my argument was never anything to do with interaction, I don’t even think I commented on their interaction, what I commented on your equalization of verses and how you misinterpret jjk’s soul shenanigans.

never said they were, idk why you're bringing this up
Then please go read what verse equalization is, you do not equalize two fundamentally different power systems of a verse.

need what?
brother be more concise in your arguments, what do you need explained anyways
Are you joking?
i told you, by verse equalization and for the SSK to even to work the soul's shape needs to be a factor in regen,
 
only assuming they don't have regen, vaporization works in two steps where first the temperature of the material is raised to the boiling point, and then all extra energy goes toward the latent heat of vaporization, which until the entire material is vaporized, the temperature of the vaporizing mass cannot exceed the boiling point, minor superheating can occur due to factors like surface tension resisting vapor pressure but the temp would still be in the couple thosuand C ranges, really, this mostly depends on how fast the thermal transfer is tha anything else, tho granted temperature transfer is dependent on a lot of material factors that go out of the window when magic bs isinvolvedand but i still severely doubt it's fast enough for at least quadruple mach characters to consider "fast" lol

tho, well, this can still be "questionable" at best
I guess we just gotta agree to disagree on this then, cause whether the regen is good enough to power through the lightning feels like guess work then. For what it’s worth Taiyo can just call down another one if he sees Kokushibo regenerating from his Char or from a similar state Muzan was in after the explosion? (I mean everyone in this free for all would think he’s unkillable so as well hit him with everything) Overall Eh idk. To me SSK is the only thing I’m confident in this match up actually killing him the Lightning bolt is just another factor. (but given Koku’s skill Toji landing it would be a question on its own)

Although minor thing but kinda weird the DS pages don’t have their MHS+ feat on their pages? (Not harping on this btw) Cause I see it on the verse page. Plus I’m pretty sure with equal speed then the speed differences remain but base speeds are the same (reduced to the slowest character, allowing speed amps to be a factor) IE it’ll regen insanely fast for them but it being MHS won’t be the case anymore (it’ll be the same regen speed diff the slayers experienced fighting him. But still eh I suppose, that in of itself is still really fast)

i'd say koku is more skilled tbh but eh
It’s more me saying Breath of the Sun mastery Tanjiro ain’t too much of a downgrade in terms of fighting skill (although yeah this point doesn’t really matter)
 
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I feel like Kojiro is getting slept on here to be honest. He's the man that studies even the most minute details of his opponent before fighting, before processing thousands of possibilities. Hell, he can do this in the midst of battle as well, basically precog'ing his opponent. And when push comes to shove, he can enhance this even further to not just scan his opponent, but even the environment around him, picking up on the littlest of things like the vibrations in the air or tremors in the earth.

I don't know if he would win, but he's pretty busted here.
 
I feel like Kojiro is getting slept on here to be honest. He's the man that studies even the most minute details of his opponent before fighting, before processing thousands of possibilities. Hell, he can do this in the midst of battle as well, basically precog'ing his opponent. And when push comes to shove, he can enhance this even further to not just scan his opponent, but even the environment around him, picking up on the littlest of things like the vibrations in the air or tremors in the earth.

I don't know if he would win, but he's pretty busted here.
Typical Toji/Maki stuff. His simulations would definitely make fighting easier though
 
I feel like Kojiro is getting slept on here to be honest. He's the man that studies even the most minute details of his opponent before fighting, before processing thousands of possibilities. Hell, he can do this in the midst of battle as well, basically precog'ing his opponent. And when push comes to shove, he can enhance this even further to not just scan his opponent, but even the environment around him, picking up on the littlest of things like the vibrations in the air or tremors in the earth.

I don't know if he would win, but he's pretty busted here.
Yeah that simulation thing seems pretty perfect for fighting any of these guys. Especially in a normal sword fight.
Although it doesn’t seem like he resists electricity + paralysis inducement or heat?
Plus Taiyo can fire omnidirectional attacks of this size casually (albeit he’s in true spring blooming for that)

Seems like Taiyo’s a bad match for him. Cause Taiyo can just maybe ignore the skill game entirely with him?
 
Not home but when I do I will be adding Doom, Gabura, and switching Koku for Yoriichi (original choice)
 
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