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Ram vs Queen (3-9-0) oh yeah, is grace😎 i don't need votes anymore, plebians, but If you want, come to vote

SlendVeny said:
She does not have the stamina to keep up.
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Zabazab said:
As for Ram's weaknesses, her typical time limit on her Shackles is no longer a factor thanks to her using Rem's horn via Synesthesia to provide her Oni flesh with the mana it requires to operate, replacing her time-limit with how willing she is to place the burden onto Rem. Ram can shift her shackles freely to reduce or increase Rem's burden and her own power.
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try reading next time
:p
 
Zabazab said:
In terms of what Ram is capable of, one of her most significant skills is Clairvoyance, a technique that allows her to steal the field of vision of her opponent. By alligning her own vision with theirs, she becomes capable of reading her opponent with greater ease than if she was literally reading their mind. This nullifies advantages such as sneak attacks, playing dead, invisibility, and grants generally phenomenal analytical prediction.
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The issue with this is that Kenbunshoku is capable of the exact same thing, yet Queen' stealth mastery while being invisible is potent enough to bypass them. Her Clairvoyance will only work on Queen when he's is not invisible. Otherwise she'd be just as good as Doflamingo during Marineford.
Zabazab said:
As for how she generally fights, she uses her instinctive, gifted sense for combat rather than any formal school of martial arts, mixing wind magic with limb strikes. At a distance she'll abuse Clairvoyance to snipe with invisible blades of wind magic; even the lowest class of wind magic being capable of beheading people comparable to her; the second-lowest class of wind magic being capable of beheading people far stronger than her; and the highest class of wind magic being able to completely pulverize people comparable to her to the degree that not even a drop of blood remains.
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If she decides to fight up close, the battle would end instantly due to Queen's viruses. It wouldn't even be close.

As for at a range, because of the oppressive nature of Queen's fighting style, Ram would be way too busy trying to dodge him than she would be trying to find time to attack. People with far greater analytical and sensory skills than Ram such as Sanji were struggling to keep up, so Ram's wind slices won't do anything significant.

Could you send proof of wind magic somehow being able to oneshot people on her level and stronger than her? If that's the case then that simply just means that they weren't stronger than her to begin with. Again, Queen's endurance and regeneration scales far above someone who could take a organ melting durability negating attack that was backed with 270 exatons of force. Ram's 135 exaton magic isn't oneshotting him or even getting close to doing so.
Zabazab said:
If the distance is closed, she prefers to engage in a mix of wind blades in mid-range and limb strikes in close range. By coating her body in wind magic, she can rapidly accelerate and decelerate her own attacks, making developing a counter impossible even for the Sin Archbishop of Gluttony, who is capable of using and mixing every school of martial art from east or west– possessing multiferious superhuman techniques impossible of being reconstructed by anyone. This coating of wind magic additionally allows Ram to give even blunt strikes a cutting edge greater than even a treasured sword.
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This is not impressive considering how Queen's Flying Pan attack was able to completely overwhelm Sanji and make him unable to counter due to the amount of limbs and weapons attacking at once, the angles they were coming from, and his own precog that he'd use to predict Sanji's movements.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
I maybe jumping the gun here but i really dont see a way for Queen to be able to properly hit Ram, like she can dodgle all of his shit with relative ease and spam her attacks till he collapses from too much damage or smth.
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Yeah, no. If Sanji couldn't do it, neither can Ram. I've not seen one precog feat from her that compares to even the standard Kenbun user yet.
SatellaTheWoE said:
Normally I wouldnt think that Anal precog would be enough to dodge but Ram can basically see what he sees. Even the Obs Haki would be under her view making it almost entirely useless
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Kenbunshoku Haki is a sixth sense that goes beyond sight and even things within the realm of the mind such as imagination. Ram's Clairvoyance allows her to see the vision of her opponents. Kenbun doesn't work on sight (hell, one of the best Kenbun users is literally a blind man).

Kenbunshoku also grants a statistics amplification, allowing his body and brain to move quicker than before, so even if she is seeing what Queen is seeing during the stat amp, her brain would not be fast enough to keep up at all.
 
Kachon123 said:
The issue with this is that Kenbunshoku is capable of the exact same thing, yet Queen' stealth mastery while being invisible is potent enough to bypass them. Her Clairvoyance will only work on Queen when he's is not invisible. Otherwise she'd be just as good as Doflamingo during Marineford.
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Can you specify why the invisibility would nullify Ram's ability to steal Queen's field of vision?

Kachon123 said:
If she decides to fight up close, the battle would end instantly due to Queen's viruses. It wouldn't even be close.

As for at a range, because of the oppressive nature of Queen's fighting style, Ram would be way too busy trying to dodge him than she would be trying to find time to attack. People with far greater analytical and sensory skills than Ram such as Sanji were struggling to keep up, so Ram's wind slices won't do anything significant.

Could you send proof of wind magic somehow being able to oneshot people on her level and stronger than her? If that's the case then that simply just means that they weren't stronger than her to begin with. Again, Queen's endurance and regeneration scales far above someone who could take a organ melting durability negating attack that was backed with 270 exatons of force. Ram's 135 exaton magic isn't oneshotting him or even getting close to doing so.
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The viruses require either contact or airborne gas, yes? The former would be challenging due to Ram's bs dodging and the latter would be ineffective due to her control over wind.

Even if Sanji's precog skills are better than Ram's, I haven't seen anything to suggest his ability to respond is comparable– launching a blade of wind doesn't even require a gesture, dodging while fighting back isn't difficult for someone with such varied effective range.

Here's her beheading a character who is definitely way stronger than her with just the pure sharpness of her magic:
As that someone stood by that window, they directed their hand towards the Blight Dragon as it tore off the thorns within the skies――,

Ram: [――El Fura.]

If an objective could be accomplished with minimal toil, neither flashy magic nor outlandish monstrous strength were necessary.

With precision that could serve as an example for all such things, the Blight Dragon’s final remaining head was severed by a blade of wind possessing unrelenting sharpness. –Arc 8, Chapter 61
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Kachon123 said:
This is not impressive considering how Queen's Flying Pan attack was able to completely overwhelm Sanji and make him unable to counter due to the amount of limbs and weapons attacking at once, the angles they were coming from, and his own precog that he'd use to predict Sanji's movements.
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This just makes me think Sanji sucks at handling danmaku. Gluttony was able to avoid a hundred spears of ice attacking him from all angles simultaneously without a scratch, and said that whether it's repeated a hundred or a thousand times it will never reach him.
Gazing at that, Ley’s composure, yet, remained unchanged. With no strong feelings for that, she merely commenced the offensive abiding by her frozen fighting spirit. The count of the ice stakes being fired was close to, but no greater than, a hundred.

Submerging the aisle seemingly constructed of stone, the dust of the ice which had impacted the floor, the walls, the ceiling fluttered about, the space frozen white bringing immense damage upon the one who taken that immense hit. However――

Ley: “Sorry, onee-san. We’re tired of seeing that… Is something we won’t say, but we’ve seen it. See, because we are genius after aaall, we don’t think an attack that has already been seen once will hit!”

Swinging the daggers fastened to both his hands, Ley laughed, having outdone the terrific attack of ice.

She inhaled in astonishment, witnessing his talent and skill, and having withstood and outdone it as a matter of fact, as he stood completely unwounded. However, if he had outdone it once, then twice, thrice, even more if that still did not work.

Ley: “You’re thinking you’ll be able to win if you do it a hundred times? It won’t reach even after you do it a thousand times, you know?”
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Zabazab said:
Can you specify why the invisibility would nullify Ram's ability to steal Queen's field of vision?
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Because it does the same to Kenbun, which has the same exact ability.
Zabazab said:
The viruses require either contact or airborne gas, yes? The former would be challenging due to Ram's bs dodging and the latter would be ineffective due to her control over wind.
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Queen's viruses are hyper-contagious. If Ram as much as grazes Queen, she would immediately start to either bleed out, lose all the oxygen in her body, freeze to death, or all three at once.

I'd need proof that Ram would be capable of constantly avoiding thousands of invisible lasers each with hundreds of meters of AoE and 5 invisible poisonous limbs coming from every direction that are also coated in electricity and fire while also somehow knowing to use her wind to disperse Queen's gas that takes only 1 second to cover a city so large that it can be seen relative to a 50 kilometer Elephant.
Zabazab said:
Even if Sanji's precog skills are better than Ram's, I haven't seen anything to suggest his ability to respond is comparable– launching a blade of wind doesn't even require a gesture, dodging while fighting back isn't difficult for someone with such varied effective range.
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Sanji's ability to respond is more definitely superior to Ram's. Sanji was able to subconsciously predict and dodge an attack from someone who could literally see into the future while being completely unaware of his presence beforehand. Sanji is constantly outperforming future sight users in terms of sensitivity, range, and reaction speed. Him struggling to keep up with and eventually being overwhelmed by Queen speaks volumes on how difficult it is to avoid him. Ram has no answer to Queen's fighting style at all.
Zabazab said:
Here's her beheading a character who is definitely way stronger than her with just the pure sharpness of her magic:
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The issue with this is that Busōshoku explicitly grants resistance to sharp attacks, even being able to negate the sharpness of attacks that have over 4x the AP of the user. Queen would only feel the force of the attack (less than 2x greater than his durability), not the sharpness. So no, Ram absolutely will not be able to oneeshot Queen based simply on her attacks' sharpness.
Zabazab said:
This just makes me think Sanji sucks at handling danmaku. Gluttony was able to avoid a hundred spears of ice attacking him from all angles simultaneously without a scratch, and said that whether it's repeated a hundred or a thousand times it will never reach him.
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No, it simply means that Queen's danmaku is on a whole different level.

One Piece characters who are far inferior to Sanji are capable of easily avoiding Danmaku attacks that are faster than themselves and yet Queen was still able to overwhelm Sanji.

Kenbunshoku grants a large amplification to the user's perceptions and reactions and yet Queen was still able to overwhelm Sanji.

You're yet to send a single ounce of proof that Ram can avoid all of these attacks from Queen and yet you insist that she will "just dodge." Even if Ram could somehow avoid Queen's attacks, she will be on the defensive the entire time. His lasers, poison, and viruses take quite literally 0 stamina and his raw stamina and endurance scales far above people who can fight for 5 days straight without any semblance of exhaustion. Rem can only take the brunt of 5 shackles being unleashed for so long, while Queen can go on indefinitely for all intents and purposes. If it gets to that point, Queen just outlasts.
 
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