[R2M1] Vene's Country Class Tourney: Gunnix vs Black☆Star

[VeneficaAuthor]

Original Tourney Thread
Tourney Bracket
Votes

Character	Key	Votes
Gunnix​	High EXP Bar	0
Black☆Star​	Grigori Arc to Dark Side of the Moon Arc	0
Inconclusive		0

Welcome to VeneficaAuthor's Country Class Tourney! In this tourney 16 country class heavyweights are competing for a special championship. There can only be one champion, so may the strongest win!

We've made it to round 2! Congrats on everyone who made it to this point, every entry into this tournament is tough in their own right, so no shame in losing. Anyway, for the first match of round 2, it'll be Gunnix, who defeated Tobyby in round 1, vs Black☆Star, who defeated BLU Heavy in round! Winner advances to Semifinals!

Rules

• 100 meters starting distance with equal speed.
• Speed Equalized
• Fight takes place in an endlessly expansive and empty/ruined city

Gunnix is at 6-B.
Black☆Star is at High 6-B.

 

[MintyBoi1]

So Black Star has stats, flight, and skill in martial arts and weapon handling in his favor. Gunnix will have to find some way to land a flurry of hits on him or bypass his durability with blood arts if he wants to win.

 

[Froggytron]

So Black Star has stats, flight, and skill in martial arts and weapon handling in his favor. Gunnix will have to find some way to land a flurry of hits on him or bypass his durability with blood arts if he wants to win.

Argee, further with his weapon retractability, Black Star could be problematic if he gets into the later fight, where the five cores are less protected and attempts to rearrange the full body.

Gunnix starts with info analysis and similarly to how Spagm saw Cinner, Gunnix will see the melee skill with stats as 1# deadly attack and plans for a strategy of holding his distance, while deploying 2 Super DigiShields around himself, being ready to react at Black Star's first move. How will he start a fight against an 8-meter large giant like this?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Argee, further with his weapon retractability, Black Star could be problematic if he gets into the later fight, where the five cores are less protected and attempts to rearrange the full body.

Gunnix starts with info analysis and similarly to how Spagm saw Cinner, Gunnix will see the melee skill with stats as 1# deadly attack and plans for a strategy of holding his distance, while deploying 2 Super DigiShields around himself, being ready to react at Black Star's first move. How will he start a fight against an 8-meter large giant like this?

Black Star would probably start with Chain of Blackness since it’s the first Shadow Star weapon. It has a large blade and a chain he can send forth to hit Gunnix. Either that or Masamune which he actually almost exclusively uses in the final arcs. It’s a large blade and Black Star can also weaponize his scarf to cut through foes while he’s using the katana. Meanwhile he’ll also try melee which includes Planet Destruction Cannon which if not blocked will send Black Star’s Soul Wavelength directly into Gunnix, damaging his insides.

 

[MintyBoi1]

I wonder if Black Star could throw a Red Blood attack like he threw Crona’s Black Blood. He has the LS, the only worrying thing is the radiation and other effects, but it’ll be a short interaction.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Bump

 

[Froggytron]

Black Star would probably start with Chain of Blackness since it’s the first Shadow Star weapon. It has a large blade and a chain he can send forth to hit Gunnix.

Would it reach (given that the starting distance between them is 100 meters)? If so, then Super Digi-Shield would reflect its first impact, and attack reflection would charge a smaller cooldown to attack reflect again. A smart move Gunnix could go for would be punching (with R.L.Energy) the blade the same instant it gets reflected, where the effect of his punch applies (instantly turning most of the weapon into a cloud of individual atoms via destroying the atom bonds, visually making it vanish) while his arm doesn't get wrecked by superior stats.

Then, there is the second Super Digi-Shield activated, allowing to repeat the strategy for the remains of the blade with Black Star's second strike, now making it an empty chain.

Either that or Masamune which he actually almost exclusively uses in the final arcs. It’s a large blade and Black Star can also weaponize his scarf to cut through foes while he’s using the katana.

Can the sword get 100 meters long within its first strike?

Meanwhile he’ll also try melee which includes Planet Destruction Cannon which if not blocked will send Black Star’s Soul Wavelength directly into Gunnix, damaging his insides.

Assuming this needs direct physical contact, it could be highly damaging to both Gunnix's body and his cores simultaneously with landing, given the stats. 100 Meters (holding distance with both so far having the same speed) and shields still separate Gunnix from this.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Would it reach (given that the starting distance between them is 100 meters)? If so, then Super Digi-Shield would reflect its first impact, and attack reflection would charge a smaller cooldown to attack reflect again. A smart move Gunnix could go for would be punching (with R.L.Energy) the blade the same instant it gets reflected, where the effect of his punch applies (instantly turning most of the weapon into a cloud of individual atoms via destroying the atom bonds, visually making it vanish) while his arm doesn't get wrecked by superior stats.

Then, there is the second Super Digi-Shield activated, allowing to repeat the strategy for the remains of the blade with Black Star's second strike, now making it an empty chain.

Can the sword get 100 meters long within its first strike?

Assuming this needs direct physical contact, it could be highly damaging to both Gunnix's body and his cores simultaneously with landing, given the stats. 100 Meters (holding distance with both so far having the same speed) and shields still separate Gunnix from this.

Black Star could approach quickly with flight and I’m actually working to have Chain of Blackness and Leaf of the Moonlit Night (his shuriken) upgraded to Tens of Meters. Could the shield really deflect something so much stronger than it? Even with 40% damage reduced, Tsubaki’s probably still way above Gunnix AP wise. And even if reflected, Black Star could pull the chain/sword back and if close enough, hit him with a soul wavelength attack.

Masamune is just Extended Melee Range I think besides Infinity which summons many swords and launches them.

Planet Destruction Cannon is a physical move, having soul energy/electricity go through Black Star’s hand. If Black Star gets close which is likely given he can fly and did so against Asura who could do the same and who was more experienced, he could end this quickly.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Black Star could approach quickly with flight and I’m actually working to have Chain of Blackness and Leaf of the Moonlit Night (his shuriken) upgraded to Tens of Meters. Could the shield really deflect something so much stronger than it?

Yeah it does, that's like the whole point of them based on past matches I've been part of

 

[Froggytron]

Black Star could approach quickly with flight and I’m actually working to have Chain of Blackness and Leaf of the Moonlit Night (his shuriken) upgraded to Tens of Meters.

With a sudden dash and 'Chain of Blackness' thrown with its real range, the blade will get 2-shot by shielded matter manip strikes. What would be the next move of Black Star?

Could the shield really deflect something so much stronger than it? Even with 40% damage reduced, Tsubaki’s probably still way above Gunnix AP wise. And even if reflected, Black Star could pull the chain/sword back and if close enough, hit him with a soul wavelength attack.

Digi-Shields have the potential to reflect even 2-tier things and convert the 'cost' of reflection into the cooldown time, giant reflections like that disable attack reflection of given Digi-Shields for days at the minimum. Based on the values, Black Start should be around 30x stronger in stats compared to non-Charged State Gunnix, which will disable Super Digi-Shield's attack reflection for a smaller, yet decently noticeable time.

Masamune is just Extended Melee Range I think besides Infinity which summons many swords and launches them.

Will be hard to catch up with and strike Gunnix transforming most of his Red Armor parts into powerful jets that constantly propel him in the opposite direction Black Star moves automatically, supported by him running there too.

Planet Destruction Cannon is a physical move, having soul energy/electricity go through Black Star’s hand. If Black Star gets close which is likely given he can fly and did so against Asura who could do the same and who was more experienced, he could end this quickly.

80% Matter Control will be ideal to sabotage 'getting close' as much as possible:

• 80% Matter Control - An experienced level 4 FU Android starts gaining an upper hand above inorganic matter all around him to his benefit in clashes, for example manifesting a dirt uprising empty city with a punch to earth, or radically slowing down dozens of thousands of inorganic projectiles due to their connection through air. 80% F.P. further grants these manipulated materials a drastic temporary gain in durability, being efficient at shielding from opponents with higher power. Their most fine usability of 80% F.P. is controlling a demo version of "supreme inorganic matter", their Red armor parts on the body, which they can freely transform into known objects. These, unlike regular armor parts, can convert environmental inorganic matter into their form in the heat of the battle, becoming the same durability as Gunnix permanently.

Constantly deployed dozens of ultra-thick layered spiked walls reaching clouds, enormous barbed wire fences, thousands of rotating buzzsaws, and so on boosted with temporary durability surpassing Gunnix's (6-B+) one greatly, together with air slowing him down (which Black Star still gets through given larger LS, its will still impact movability options) will stack in slowing force, while Gunnix safely runs backward (controlling terrain with each step on the surface ground he makes) and has body propelled automatically by jets. Each movement of Black Star gets carefully observed with supercomputer+ Analytical Prediction (surpassing Spagmatron, Gunnix's previous level), making each additional set of obstacles more customized specifically against Black Star's moving patterns and his methods of shattering walls.

With more time of the chase, Gunnix (having Extraordinary Genius calculations) is highly likely to upgrade the style of walls deployed to such a degree it counters seen Black Star's attacks, just like in MHA Sky Coffin's smart terrain countered Tomura's Decay from spreading and propelled him back by its sneaky construction design

 

[MintyBoi1]

With a sudden dash and 'Chain of Blackness' thrown with its real range, the blade will get 2-shot by shielded matter manip strikes. What would be the next move of Black Star?

Digi-Shields have the potential to reflect even 2-tier things and convert the 'cost' of reflection into the cooldown time, giant reflections like that disable attack reflection of given Digi-Shields for days at the minimum. Based on the values, Black Start should be around 30x stronger in stats compared to non-Charged State Gunnix, which will disable Super Digi-Shield's attack reflection for a smaller, yet decently noticeable time.

Will be hard to catch up with and strike Gunnix transforming most of his Red Armor parts into powerful jets that constantly propel him in the opposite direction Black Star moves automatically, supported by him running there too.

80% Matter Control will be ideal to sabotage 'getting close' as much as possible:

• 80% Matter Control - An experienced level 4 FU Android starts gaining an upper hand above inorganic matter all around him to his benefit in clashes, for example manifesting a dirt uprising empty city with a punch to earth, or radically slowing down dozens of thousands of inorganic projectiles due to their connection through air. 80% F.P. further grants these manipulated materials a drastic temporary gain in durability, being efficient at shielding from opponents with higher power. Their most fine usability of 80% F.P. is controlling a demo version of "supreme inorganic matter", their Red armor parts on the body, which they can freely transform into known objects. These, unlike regular armor parts, can convert environmental inorganic matter into their form in the heat of the battle, becoming the same durability as Gunnix permanently.

Constantly deployed dozens of ultra-thick layered spiked walls reaching clouds, enormous barbed wire fences, thousands of rotating buzzsaws, and so on boosted with temporary durability surpassing Gunnix's (6-B+) one greatly, together with air slowing him down (which Black Star still gets through given larger LS, its will still impact movability options) will stack in slowing force, while Gunnix safely runs backward (controlling terrain with each step on the ground he makes) and has body propelled automatically by jets. Each movement of Black Star gets carefully observed with supercomputer+ Analytical Prediction (surpassing Spagmatron, Gunnix's previous level), making each additional set of obstacles more customized specifically against Black Star's moving patterns and his methods of shattering walls.

With more time of the chase, Gunnix (having Extraordinary Genius calculations) is highly likely to upgrade the style of walls deployed to such a degree it counters seen Black Star's attacks, just like in MHA Sky Coffin's smart terrain countered Tomura's Decay from spreading and propelled him back by its sneaky construction design

He would probably transform Tsubaki into Leaf since direct confrontation isn’t working. Once Gunnix guards it, he could shove his fist through the hole, sending an explosion into Gunnix. With that, Black Star managed to crack Crona’s Black Blood which is also an ultimate defense.

So since the shield will be on cooldown, Gunnix would have a very hard time blocking the shuriken. If he doesn’t dodge it, the impending explosion could deal lethal damage. Especially since it’s AOE meaning it could cover him from all sides. Even if he guards the shuriken coming for him, there’s no way he’d be able to anticipate Black Star punching through the hole and then him exploding. Him putting off dodging to reflect damage could actually prove his undoing.

True, although Black Star can make his scarf long enough to let him semi fly just by pushing it off the ground. That’s how he kept up with Maka before he gained actual flight. If he managed to swing it at Gunnix, he could potentially cut him apart entirely.

Their durability likely won’t matter since Black Star is High 6-B+, but those could prove a problem. Although, Severed Shadow letting Black Star create realistic afterimages could throw off Gunnix’s tracking and placing things in front of him. His flight will give him the whole area to traverse in, so even dozens of walls would have to be well placed to hinder him. Even Analytical Prediction could struggle with an enemy when you can’t even properly tell where they’re going. And Leaf of the Moonlit Night can threaten Gunnix as long as he’s within Tens of Meters.

Black Star has been stated to constantly shift the flow and direction of his attacks, making this even tougher for Gunnix. Severed Shadow and Leaf of the Moonlit Night used in tandem could let Black Star get past the obstacles and kill Gunnix. And if Masamune Infinity gets the chance to land, he could die. Thinking of it now, all those swords could surely counter obstacles early to give Black Star easy access to Gunnix.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Masamune can also summon giant swords for Black Star to wield. Although Infinity is off the table since I remember it requires Madness which makes Black Star 6-A.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Update: Black Star’s range has been upgraded to Tens of Meters with Chain/Leaf, up to Kilometers with his shadows since he could reach the clouds with his scarf made up of shadows. Not quite Gunnix level but definitely closer.

 

[Froggytron]

He would probably transform Tsubaki into Leaf since direct confrontation isn’t working. Once Gunnix guards it, he could shove his fist through the hole, sending an explosion into Gunnix. With that, Black Star managed to crack Crona’s Black Blood which is also an ultimate defense.

It drags me down that I do not know the Black Star's arsenal or his tactics, I cannot fully visualize them.

I see that Tsubaki is Black Star's partner (like Ryuko's Senketsu in Kill la Kill), capable of transformation into various weapons. Leaf likely is this blade:

• Shadow☆Star: Second Form - Leaf of the Moonlit Night: While using Shadow☆Star, Black☆Star transmutes the sword into a large black shuriken. Went punching through the hole in the shuriken Black☆Star can unleash a powerful punch strengthen by his shadow which produces a large explosion. His can also cause the shuriken to rapidly spin went placing it on his wrist, and is able to use it to ward off multiple enemies.

I still don't get the attack though, there are 100 meters between them, the blade at the chain is destroyed by matter manip punches (a big part of Tsubaki is gone, can it regenerate by taking another shape?) and then Tsubaki in the form of a giant shuriken is thrown at Gunnix? How can Black Star punch through it when he is 100 meters away?

So since the shield will be on cooldown, Gunnix would have a very hard time blocking the shuriken. If he doesn’t dodge it, the impending explosion could deal lethal damage. Especially since it’s AOE meaning it could cover him from all sides. Even if he guards the shuriken coming for him, there’s no way he’d be able to anticipate Black Star punching through the hole and then him exploding. Him putting off dodging to reflect damage could actually prove his undoing.

Gunnix isn't blinded by defending, he will dodge the shuriken given that his 2 Super Digi-Shields are in a short attack redirect cooldown, with 15,000+ years trained acrobatics and jets red armor parts can transform into. The acrobatics still are far from later Frogmen but should be impressive in most of the fights.

True, although Black Star can make his scarf long enough to let him semi fly just by pushing it off the ground. That’s how he kept up with Maka before he gained actual flight. If he managed to swing it at Gunnix, he could potentially cut him apart entirely.

Couldn't Gunnix dodge it like the shuriken?

Their durability likely won’t matter since Black Star is High 6-B+

It's likely to, given that thick-sized walls manipulated by 80% F.P. can decently shield (withstanding some time, letting Gunnix safely evade) from space Purple Skeleton Dragons, easily High 6-B in stats and far superior combat speed.

, but those could prove a problem. Although, Severed Shadow letting Black Star create realistic afterimages could throw off Gunnix’s tracking and placing things in front of him.

Gunnix's processing power transcends modern supercomputers and his analytical precognition is trained with 15,000+ years of battle experience, I think he could read through it easily + section below

His flight will give him the whole area to traverse in, so even dozens of walls would have to be well placed to hinder him. Even Analytical Prediction could struggle with an enemy when you can’t even properly tell where they’re going. And Leaf of the Moonlit Night can threaten Gunnix as long as he’s within Tens of Meters. Black Star has been stated to constantly shift the flow and direction of his attacks, making this even tougher for Gunnix.

Gunnix has:

• 1st+ Level Enhanced Senses (Energy Vision, Sin vision, remote telepathy with Creator Frogman even with bare Soul Crystal core. With full FU soldier body: Night vision, Gas vision, Thermal vision, Advanced vision, limited Enemy analysis, Lie detection, Communicator [allowing to comprehend alien non-standard/verbal language, can serve as "sense camera" to their higher-ups], Signal receiver/repulsor (for communication with FU units, can call FU headquarters if lost to get teleported at a known location).
• 2nd+ Level Enhanced Senses (Advanced Sin Vision and X-ray, even with bare Soul Crystal core. Mastering 80% Frogman Physiology for hundreds of years makes FU Android core further comfortable in sensing the environment by non-sight means, at a point it can "see" into materials around).
• greater Information Analysis (able to monitor the whole battlefield around itself, mark allies/enemies and detect their strongest attack and estimated stats, also able to detect some information from air, space, and ground)

greatly advanced (since all of these sets of Enhanced Senses are evolutions under him), especially the information ground and air are giving him are strengthened with 80% Matter Control. Doubt there will be a single point where Gunnix doesn't know where Black Star is together with his presently proceeded movements. All of this greatly helps Gunnix in dodging mentioned above too. Not to mention each fragment of the fight grants Gunnix a better and better estimate of Black Star's next movements, against which he is targeting the modified terrain specifically, the traps will constantly get deadlier against his fighting style and weaknesses.

Severed Shadow and Leaf of the Moonlit Night used in tandem could let Black Star get past the obstacles and kill Gunnix. And if Masamune Infinity gets the chance to land, he could die. Thinking of it now, all those swords could surely counter obstacles early to give Black Star easy access to Gunnix.

^^^

 

[MintyBoi1]

It drags me down that I do not know the Black Star's arsenal or his tactics, I cannot fully visualize them.

I see that Tsubaki is Black Star's partner (like Ryuko's Senketsu in Kill la Kill), capable of transformation into various weapons. Leaf likely is this blade:

• Shadow☆Star: Second Form - Leaf of the Moonlit Night: While using Shadow☆Star, Black☆Star transmutes the sword into a large black shuriken. Went punching through the hole in the shuriken Black☆Star can unleash a powerful punch strengthen by his shadow which produces a large explosion. His can also cause the shuriken to rapidly spin went placing it on his wrist, and is able to use it to ward off multiple enemies.

I still don't get the attack though, there are 100 meters between them, the blade at the chain is destroyed by matter manip punches (a big part of Tsubaki is gone, can it regenerate by taking another shape?) and then Tsubaki in the form of a giant shuriken is thrown at Gunnix? How can Black Star punch through it when he is 100 meters away?

Gunnix isn't blinded by defending, he will dodge the shuriken given that his 2 Super Digi-Shields are in a short attack redirect cooldown, with 15,000+ years trained acrobatics and jets red armor parts can transform into. The acrobatics still are far from later Frogmen but should be impressive in most of the fights.

Couldn't Gunnix dodge it like the shuriken?

It's likely to, given that thick-sized walls manipulated by 80% F.P. can decently shield (withstanding some time, letting Gunnix safely evade) from space Purple Skeleton Dragons, easily High 6-B in stats and far superior combat speed.

Gunnix's processing power transcends modern supercomputers and his analytical precognition is trained with 15,000+ years of battle experience, I think he could read through it easily + section below

Gunnix has:

• 1st+ Level Enhanced Senses (Energy Vision, Sin vision, remote telepathy with Creator Frogman even with bare Soul Crystal core. With full FU soldier body: Night vision, Gas vision, Thermal vision, Advanced vision, limited Enemy analysis, Lie detection, Communicator [allowing to comprehend alien non-standard/verbal language, can serve as "sense camera" to their higher-ups], Signal receiver/repulsor (for communication with FU units, can call FU headquarters if lost to get teleported at a known location).
• 2nd+ Level Enhanced Senses (Advanced Sin Vision and X-ray, even with bare Soul Crystal core. Mastering 80% Frogman Physiology for hundreds of years makes FU Android core further comfortable in sensing the environment by non-sight means, at a point it can "see" into materials around).
• greater Information Analysis (able to monitor the whole battlefield around itself, mark allies/enemies and detect their strongest attack and estimated stats, also able to detect some information from air, space, and ground)

greatly advanced (since all of these sets of Enhanced Senses are evolutions under him), especially the information ground and air are giving him are strengthened with 80% Matter Control. Doubt there will be a single point where Gunnix doesn't know where Black Star is together with his presently proceeded movements. All of this greatly helps Gunnix in dodging mentioned above too. Not to mention each fragment of the fight grants Gunnix a better and better estimate of Black Star's next movements, against which he is targeting the modified terrain specifically, the traps will constantly get deadlier against his fighting style and weaknesses.

^^^

Leaf of the Moonlit Night is a giant shuriken. And yeah Tsubaki transforms into the weapons Black Star wields. They’re a team.

Black Star would probably get pretty close before attacking and he’s shown traveling great distance after Leaf’s thrown to do the punch. I don’t entirely know what’d happen after the damage since weapons aren’t shown destroyed like that in the series. The most is Maka not wanting to block an attack with Soul since he’d get damaged, but then he just takes the cut in human form so you can’t really tell how damaged his weapon form would be. I’d assume Tsubaki would be injured but still able to transform as long as parts of her are there like how Mahito has his body destroyed but just reshapes his soul to make his body alright again. Especially if Gunnix only got the chain like described.

Gunnix could dodge, but Black Star has his own impressive acrobatics, jumping high into the air and flipping out of the way of swords while on the ground. He could definitely catch Gunnix off guard if he manages to swing his scarf. And it’s not like Gunnix would see it coming or be able to block it, so Black Star could sneak it in like how he almost killed Mifune with it. He made the scarf crash down as Mifune blocked his sword swing. And even after Mifune avoided it, Black Star cut through his shoulder while jumping back since the scarf was still midair.

Then the walls could hold up for a bit, but Black Star still is strong enough to break through them in a bit and reach Gunnix unless he can just make them infinitely. God Slaying Attack could catch Gunnix since Black Star will be leaping with three giant swords behind him to smash past the walls.

Black Star’s afterimages have mass and were indistinguishable from the original to Mifune who was a highly skilled/experienced body guard and was cutting through the afterimages. Sin Vision may carry over too, or Gunnix might see the shadows they’re made up of and not be able to tell it from Black Star’s own Sin Meter. Even if Gunnix has that experience, I doubt any data matches something like Severed Shadow. To him, it’ll just feel like the walls are hitting the real Black Star. And the afterimages can deal their own attacks, meaning they could damage the walls too.

Black Star surprised Kishin Asura who was an 800 year old warrior with his abilities. Not to mention, Branched Darkness lets Tsubaki take control of one of Black Star’s afterimages. So she could slip by and attack Gunnix or make a path for Black Star without Gunnix realizing. And like mentioned, Black Star can change the style of his attacks and take advantageous stances on pure instinct, so trying to predict him could be harder than thought.

 

[Froggytron]

Leaf of the Moonlit Night is a giant shuriken. And yeah Tsubaki transforms into the weapons Black Star wields. They’re a team.

Black Star would probably get pretty close before attacking and he’s shown traveling great distance after Leaf’s thrown to do the punch.

Is it a direct-speed amp? With Gunnix dodging to the side, he still has to pick the shuriken.

I don’t entirely know what’d happen after the damage since weapons aren’t shown destroyed like that in the series. The most is Maka not wanting to block an attack with Soul since he’d get damaged, but then he just takes the cut in human form so you can’t really tell how damaged his weapon form would be. I’d assume Tsubaki would be injured but still able to transform as long as parts of her are there like how Mahito has his body destroyed but just reshapes his soul to make his body alright again. Especially if Gunnix only got the chain like described.

That's fair, Gunnix will need to one-hit Tsubaki then.

Then the walls could hold up for a bit, but Black Star still is strong enough to break through them in a bit and reach Gunnix unless he can just make them infinitely. God Slaying Attack could catch Gunnix since Black Star will be leaping with three giant swords behind him to smash past the walls.

• 'An experienced level's 4 FU Android 80% Frogman Physiology starts understanding inorganic matter like a song, able to use it for a benefit in clashes'
• 'Self-Sustenance (are highly efficient, to keep battling intensively for dozens of hours needs to consume energy to not get more tired, but stamina recovers without income overtime thanks to core Red Laser Crystal physiology)'

Environment matter manip is practically infinite with the environment around remaining, given its extremely low stamina cost (Gunnixes see it as a side effect of their movements), while the stamina of FU Androids regenerates on its own. Given that this Self-Sustenance section belongs to the very first FU Android level, Gunnix as the 4th level has stamina 3x times surpassing this, Gunnix should be able to keep these 80% Matter Control spams of attacks even past the eventual heat death of the universe.

Gunnix could dodge, but Black Star has his own impressive acrobatics, jumping high into the air and flipping out of the way of swords while on the ground. He could definitely catch Gunnix off guard if he manages to swing his scarf. And it’s not like Gunnix would see it coming or be able to block it, so Black Star could sneak it in like how he almost killed Mifune with it. He made the scarf crash down as Mifune blocked his sword swing. And even after Mifune avoided it, Black Star cut through his shoulder while jumping back since the scarf was still midair.

Black Star’s afterimages have mass and were indistinguishable from the original to Mifune who was a highly skilled/experienced body guard and was cutting through the afterimages. Sin Vision may carry over too, or Gunnix might see the shadows they’re made up of and not be able to tell it from Black Star’s own Sin Meter. Even if Gunnix has that experience, I doubt any data matches something like Severed Shadow. To him, it’ll just feel like the walls are hitting the real Black Star. And the afterimages can deal their own attacks, meaning they could damage the walls too.

Black Star surprised Kishin Asura who was an 800 year old warrior with his abilities. Not to mention, Branched Darkness lets Tsubaki take control of one of Black Star’s afterimages. So she could slip by and attack Gunnix or make a path for Black Star without Gunnix realizing. And like mentioned, Black Star can change the style of his attacks and take advantageous stances on pure instinct, so trying to predict him could be harder than thought.

Would Gunnix analyze Black Star has speed amps surpassing his running and jets propelling him, and that he is most likely at a disadvantage in close/small-range combat range against a 30x stats impressive acrobatics fighter, he would start using portals:

• Portal Creation (able to create a large stable portal in front side, leading up to 10KM away, to lead farther portal requires additional exponential charging, portal-exit reaches moon (400 000 KM) in 14 seconds of charging for example).

Turning his core crystal by 180 degrees and summoning an 8-meter-tall portal behind him, even the weakest portal of his arsenal (at Spagmatron level) instantly gains him 10 km of additional distance. In this fight, Gunnix will use portals leading further, where he is barely visible to Black Star as a tiny dot in a far, far distance.

This presents a neat trick of intentionally letting the portal open. Gunnix can exit out of it at 'a middle traveling point', instantly dropping there his hand palm and for safety using an additional portal to get further away from Black Star, himself, hidden with his other Super DigiShield. Gunnix's hand palm will carry one of his Super DigiShield around itself and the portal-end, making the illusion that Gunnix is there resting, tired from the fight (and barely had energy left to alter a single portal), while hiding the fact the hand palm transforms into Gunnix's machinegun and sets up thousands of matter manip bullets just in front of the portal entrance. If Black Star uses the portal (which doesn't show what is on the other side) to get nearly caught Gunnix, the quantum of matter manip bullets is likely to one-hit him. Even if Black Star attempts to jump back, the bullets will fly at radical speed with him through the portal, getting him. Given that Black Star only saw Gunnix using terrain manipulation and fists, he is very unlikely to count with something like this.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Is it a direct-speed amp? With Gunnix dodging to the side, he still has to pick the shuriken.

That's fair, Gunnix will need to one-hit Tsubaki then.

• 'An experienced level's 4 FU Android 80% Frogman Physiology starts understanding inorganic matter like a song, able to use it for a benefit in clashes'
• 'Self-Sustenance (are highly efficient, to keep battling intensively for dozens of hours needs to consume energy to not get more tired, but stamina recovers without income overtime thanks to core Red Laser Crystal physiology)'

Environment matter manip is practically infinite with the environment around remaining, given its extremely low stamina cost (Gunnixes see it as a side effect of their movements), while the stamina of FU Androids regenerates on its own. Given that this Self-Sustenance section belongs to the very first FU Android level, Gunnix as the 4th level has stamina 3x times surpassing this, Gunnix should be able to keep these 80% Matter Control spams of attacks even past the eventual heat death of the universe.

Would Gunnix analyze Black Star has speed amps surpassing his running and jets propelling him, and that he is most likely at a disadvantage in close/small-range combat range against a 30x stats impressive acrobatics fighter, he would start using portals:

• Portal Creation (able to create a large stable portal in front side, leading up to 10KM away, to lead farther portal requires additional exponential charging, portal-exit reaches moon (400 000 KM) in 14 seconds of charging for example).

Turning his core crystal by 180 degrees and summoning an 8-meter-tall portal behind him, even the weakest portal of his arsenal (at Spagmatron level) instantly gains him 10 km of additional distance. In this fight, Gunnix will use portals leading further, where he is barely visible to Black Star as a tiny dot in a far, far distance.

This presents a neat trick of intentionally letting the portal open. Gunnix can exit out of it at 'a middle traveling point', instantly dropping there his hand palm and for safety using an additional portal to get further away from Black Star, himself, hidden with his other Super DigiShield. Gunnix's hand palm will carry one of his Super DigiShield around itself and the portal-end, making the illusion that Gunnix is there resting, tired from the fight (and barely had energy left to alter a single portal), while hiding the fact the hand palm transforms into Gunnix's machinegun and sets up thousands of matter manip bullets just in front of the portal entrance. If Black Star uses the portal (which doesn't show what is on the other side) to get nearly caught Gunnix, the quantum of matter manip bullets is likely to one-hit him. Even if Black Star attempts to jump back, the bullets will fly at radical speed with him through the portal, getting him. Given that Black Star only saw Gunnix using terrain manipulation and fists, he is very unlikely to count with something like this.

I don’t think so but Black Star should still just be able to fly over and get it. He traveled tens of meters to get it the second Crona blocked. Both are relativistic so traveling that far wouldn’t be too hard. And this is assuming Gunnix dodges the shuriken and isn’t still in range for the explosion.

Yeah I think so too.

Then Black Star will have to be fast. God Slaying Attack and afterimages should let him get past. Severed Shadow also lets him go faster than normal which is how he makes the afterimages.

I think leaving the portal open is room for suspicion, even if it’s new. Tsubaki should point that out, especially since she and Black Star are assassins who are experienced with trickery. I think she’d advise Black Star to test the waters. Sending an afterimage through the portal while the real Black Star jumps back like he did against Mifune would work. And any remaining bullets could be dodged with flight and more afterimages.

So once the bullets are exhausted Black Star will be able to go through the portals, repeating the process if needed and maybe sneak up on Gunnix. He doesn’t usually use his stealth, but I think someone this tricky would force it like how he knew he couldn’t beat Mifune up front so tricked him with Tsubaki and hit him with Black Star Big Wave. Planet Destruction Cannon should one shot Gunnix, maybe even going through his shields if he still has them.

 

[Froggytron]

I don’t think so but Black Star should still just be able to fly over and get it. He traveled tens of meters to get it the second Crona blocked. Both are relativistic so traveling that far wouldn’t be too hard. And this is assuming Gunnix dodges the shuriken and isn’t still in range for the explosion.

Gunnix is Relativistic+, Higher with reactions, so he would be equalized down at relativistic. With over 10,000 years of experience (besides low EXP version) of moving and dodging at this speed using dozens of powerful jets (he can instantly transform from 35% of parts of his body), I assume he will be dodging the entire explosion by reacting in time.

Then Black Star will have to be fast. God Slaying Attack and afterimages should let him get past. Severed Shadow also lets him go faster than normal which is how he makes the afterimages.

So technically he has speed amps Gunnix sees troublesome.

I think leaving the portal open is room for suspicion, even if it’s new. Tsubaki should point that out, especially since she and Black Star are assassins who are experienced with trickery. I think she’d advise Black Star to test the waters. Sending an afterimage through the portal while the real Black Star jumps back like he did against Mifune would work. And any remaining bullets could be dodged with flight and more afterimages.

That will be smart, the afterimage gets completely massacred (if it can be physically harmed) and the rest of the bullets 'explode' out of the portal, but prepared Black Star seems to be dodging, some of his other afterimages might get hit with the spam.

So once the bullets are exhausted Black Star will be able to go through the portals, repeating the process if needed and maybe sneak up on Gunnix. He doesn’t usually use his stealth, but I think someone this tricky would force it like how he knew he couldn’t beat Mifune up front so tricked him with Tsubaki and hit him with Black Star Big Wave. Planet Destruction Cannon should one shot Gunnix, maybe even going through his shields if he still has them.

This is where Gunnix's double-layered trick might work. He didn't just prepare a horde of momentum-slowed bullets there, he dropped his hand palm (from wrist to fingers) and transformed it into a minigun at the same time, judging by Gunnix's image the minigun alone should be 2 meters tall, which can control terrain too, such as hiding itself in the ground for Black Star second afterimage to assume the place is safe, would he play super safe. If the main Black Star goes in now, the portal will deactivate the moment he is in, and there is the Super Digishield around the hand palm, preventing an easy escape, and having the attack reflection recharged (would it not be charged yet, Gunnix would set up his third S.D.Shield instead).

The hand-palm minigun will spawn thousands of bullets in the small area nearly instantaneously, each emitting Heat-Light (heating, radiation-poisoning, and aging into all sides, which the shrinking Super Digi Shield reflects inside, effectively turning the area within into a turned-on oven of the negative effects, straight up building tens of thousands of celsius, quickly turning into hundreds and more. Black Star can dodge and possibly grab the bullets themselves (with Non-Physical Interaction), but the spam of everything will be overwhelming, and a single jump-out won't work due to attack reflection, for more, there is hardly time left. At last, the main body Gunnix can still form a literal hardened mountain around the caught Black Star from far away, making escape from this Red Laser oven even worse.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Gunnix is Relativistic+, Higher with reactions, so he would be equalized down at relativistic. With over 10,000 years of experience (besides low EXP version) of moving and dodging at this speed using dozens of powerful jets (he can instantly transform from 35% of parts of his body), I assume he will be dodging the entire explosion by reacting in time.

So technically he has speed amps Gunnix sees troublesome.

That will be smart, the afterimage gets completely massacred (if it can be physically harmed) and the rest of the bullets 'explode' out of the portal, but prepared Black Star seems to be dodging, some of his other afterimages might get hit with the spam.

This is where Gunnix's double-layered trick might work. He didn't just prepare a horde of momentum-slowed bullets there, he dropped his hand palm (from wrist to fingers) and transformed it into a minigun at the same time, judging by Gunnix's image the minigun alone should be 2 meters tall, which can control terrain too, such as hiding itself in the ground for Black Star second afterimage to assume the place is safe, would he play super safe. If the main Black Star goes in now, the portal will deactivate the moment he is in, and there is the Super Digishield around the hand palm, preventing an easy escape, and having the attack reflection recharged (would it not be charged yet, Gunnix would set up his third S.D.Shield instead).

The hand-palm minigun will spawn thousands of bullets in the small area nearly instantaneously, each emitting Heat-Light (heating, radiation-poisoning, and aging into all sides, which the shrinking Super Digi Shield reflects inside, effectively turning the area within into a turned-on oven of the negative effects, straight up building tens of thousands of celsius, quickly turning into hundreds and more. Black Star can dodge and possibly grab the bullets themselves (with Non-Physical Interaction), but the spam of everything will be overwhelming, and a single jump-out won't work due to attack reflection, for more, there is hardly time left. At last, the main body Gunnix can still form a literal hardened mountain around the caught Black Star from far away, making escape from this Red Laser oven even worse.

I’m not sure if Gunnix could dodge. The second Crona was launched back by the punch, the explosion covered them entirely. So if Black Star set that up right, he could end the fight before it even got to this point. Gunnix would need to dodge the shuriken, then avoid the punch and explosion or else he dies.

Yeah, it’s listed in his second key too as making his speed higher.

The afterimages can be damaged and they will disperse. I’m not sure if Gunnix feels his attacks land but that could trick him if he does. Mifune felt entirely sure he cut through the real Black Star because of the afterimages left over mass before it was revealed it was fake.

Sneaking the gun likely wouldn’t work since the bullets couldn’t come from nowhere so Tsubaki would be on guard. Black Star would still have the Severed Shadow speed amp and he has experience dodging bullets from all angles. The mini gun likely isn’t nearly as mobile as him. And since the shields can only really reflect one of his attacks, he should be able to handle the mini gun handily with afterimages. Now would be a good time for Branched Darkness, having Tsubaki do an attack from behind like against Mifune, either destroying the gun or letting Black Star do it itself.

I also wonder just how the shields would respond to any soul attacks. The way Soul Menace and the moves Black Star does with it works is he’s sending his soul energy directly through someone’s body. So wouldn’t it be able to bypass the shields and get straight to the gun now Black Star knows they’re there? Also wouldn’t Gunnix assume his trap worked instead of trying to trap Black Star? He teleported away from where this is happening so he’d have to come back which just risks Black Star hitting him with a one shot attack once the mini gun is destroyed.

 

[Froggytron]

I’m not sure if Gunnix could dodge. The second Crona was launched back by the punch, the explosion covered them entirely. So if Black Star set that up right, he could end the fight before it even got to this point. Gunnix would need to dodge the shuriken, then avoid the punch and explosion or else he dies.

• Analytical Precognition: Can be used to determine the most likely behavior others will make. Sin Vision sight grants additional leads for experienced FU units already capable of Tactical Precognition on their own, making 'getting caught off-guard' further less likely.

Sin Vision shows not only an attack made to harm (which will work, given that both challenged themselves) but also grants good analytical precog of the next behavior. Even with shuriken and distance closing at blitz level, Gunnix will read that without seeing Black Star move some time (for his own analytical precog to count with all his moves). Woth noting that Gunnix has speed amps too, Red Laser speed boost can help evade the first attack faster by boosting the output of the jets + the explosion pictured in the manga page seems to have only a range of Several Meters.

The afterimages can be damaged and they will disperse. I’m not sure if Gunnix feels his attacks land but that could trick him if he does. Mifune felt entirely sure he cut through the real Black Star because of the afterimages left over mass before it was revealed it was fake.

Gunnix will know it's just an afterimage, given that he saw Sin-Meter of the original Black Star at the beginning, the afterimages are controlled by Black Star (meaning their possible crimes will lead to his own Sin-Meter), he will know Black Star is truly KO with his precise Sin-Meter value Gunnix remorized turning untraceable. The hand palm can feel Sin Vision as if Gunnix was there, due to 80% F.P., I can explain more from the page content would it help

Sneaking the gun likely wouldn’t work since the bullets couldn’t come from nowhere so Tsubaki would be on guard. Black Star would still have the Severed Shadow speed amp and he has experience dodging bullets from all angles. The mini gun likely isn’t nearly as mobile as him. And since the shields can only really reflect one of his attacks, he should be able to handle the mini gun handily with afterimages. Now would be a good time for Branched Darkness, having Tsubaki do an attack from behind like against Mifune, either destroying the gun or letting Black Star do it itself.

Gunnix saw enough of the battle to know this too. That's why this strategy isn't focused on the bullets hitting him (although imagine thousands of meters long thick bullets in a 3,5-meter space, it's like an instant fill), but instead on their emitting radiation+dozens of Celsius heat+aging hitting so hard an opponent without a high resistance to any of these wouldnt last to do even two moves with an extreme speed amp.

I also wonder just how the shields would respond to any soul attacks. The way Soul Menace and the moves Black Star does with it works is he’s sending his soul energy directly through someone’s body. So wouldn’t it be able to bypass the shields and get straight to the gun now Black Star knows they’re there?

As for soul attacks, I cannot imagine how soul energy would travel within a red forcefield, at best it will travel into the ground like lightning through a lightning rod, without a very strong durability negation or Intangibility method. Worth stating again, that the hand palm is under the earth, the S.D.Shield isn't around it, but around it and Black Star, to further reduce the possibility of him escaping before the negative effects airing from thousands of Red Laser bullets being generated so close to him vaporize his body from heat / age him to bones falling apart / poison him with radiation till KO, against non of these Black Star seems to have a resistance.

Also wouldn’t Gunnix assume his trap worked instead of trying to trap Black Star? He teleported away from where this is happening so he’d have to come back which just risks Black Star hitting him with a one shot attack once the mini gun is destroyed.

Gunnix can sense Sin-Meters detailedly within an entire continent, as mentioned above, with Sin Vision alone he won't stop making his combos deadlier until he notices the memorized Sin-Meter disappearing. In case of Black Star with his powerful melee sets, coming closer to look is out of the option, till Gunnix guarantees it doesn't present a danger.

 

[MintyBoi1]

• Analytical Precognition: Can be used to determine the most likely behavior others will make. Sin Vision sight grants additional leads for experienced FU units already capable of Tactical Precognition on their own, making 'getting caught off-guard' further less likely.

Sin Vision shows not only an attack made to harm (which will work, given that both challenged themselves) but also grants good analytical precog of the next behavior. Even with shuriken and distance closing at blitz level, Gunnix will read that without seeing Black Star move some time (for his own analytical precog to count with all his moves). Woth noting that Gunnix has speed amps too, Red Laser speed boost can help evade the first attack faster by boosting the output of the jets + the explosion pictured in the manga page seems to have only a range of Several Meters.

Gunnix will know it's just an afterimage, given that he saw Sin-Meter of the original Black Star at the beginning, the afterimages are controlled by Black Star (meaning their possible crimes will lead to his own Sin-Meter), he will know Black Star is truly KO with his precise Sin-Meter value Gunnix remorized turning untraceable. The hand palm can feel Sin Vision as if Gunnix was there, due to 80% F.P., I can explain more from the page content would it help

Gunnix saw enough of the battle to know this too. That's why this strategy isn't focused on the bullets hitting him (although imagine thousands of meters long thick bullets in a 3,5-meter space, it's like an instant fill), but instead on their emitting radiation+dozens of Celsius heat+aging hitting so hard an opponent without a high resistance to any of these wouldnt last to do even two moves with an extreme speed amp.

As for soul attacks, I cannot imagine how soul energy would travel within a red forcefield, at best it will travel into the ground like lightning through a lightning rod, without a very strong durability negation or Intangibility method. Worth stating again, that the hand palm is under the earth, the S.D.Shield isn't around it, but around it and Black Star, to further reduce the possibility of him escaping before the negative effects airing from thousands of Red Laser bullets being generated so close to him vaporize his body from heat / age him to bones falling apart / poison him with radiation till KO, against non of these Black Star seems to have a resistance.

Gunnix can sense Sin-Meters detailedly within an entire continent, as mentioned above, with Sin Vision alone he won't stop making his combos deadlier until he notices the memorized Sin-Meter disappearing. In case of Black Star with his powerful melee sets, coming closer to look is out of the option, till Gunnix guarantees it doesn't present a danger.

Gunnix could probably predict an attack from Black Star, but not the explosion since there’s nothing to guess that info off of. But maybe he could dodge the explosion if he gets out the way of the punch as Black Star is reaching him. Though with speed equalized and Black Star seemingly just needing to be close for the explosion to hit, it seems unlikely.

The afterimages are technically also Black Star though since they’re still his shadows and contain traces of real matter. They’re less being controlled by him and more remnants of him which is why Mifune was able to trace the continuity between them. Black Star leaves them behind, but he still made those movements. It’s like Tsubaki said, if you think of Black Star as a single opponent, you’re in for a world of hurt. So they could very well have his Sin Meter carried over.

Black Star still has the entire environment to move through with flight and would have gained knowledge of the bullets from them hitting the initial afterimage. There seems to be little way the mini gun fires the bullets close enough to really harm him before being taken out. I don’t think you’ve mentioned just Gunnix’s hand being able to speed amp itself. Plus since it’s just placed in the ground which Black Star can gauge from the trajectory of the bullets, it’s easy to dodge from however high up he is and come down to hit. And if it tries changing positions, it’ll have to lock onto Black Star once again which is a losing game when he just has to hit it twice to destroy it. Between his flight, speed amps, and longer range weapons/scarf, he has good method of dealing with it.

What’s a red forcefield? And why wouldn’t soul energy be able to just go through it like someone’s body? Going through someone directly to their organs is considered a form of durability negation. And unless Gunnix can touch souls, it’s probably intangibility too. Also what do you mean the shield is around “it” and Black Star? I think Black Star could destroy the gun by stomping, destroying the ground and its shield then attack it again.

Can’t Black Star just break the mountain even if he does get trapped in it which already depends on him not beating the mini gun in a quick fashion? There’s no way Gunnix will be able to run away forever before Black Star catches up and hits him with a soul attack.

 

[MintyBoi1]

If Black Star gets close enough for an attack he could use one of his blades and then once it’s reflected and Gunnix tries a counterattack with matter manipulation, hit him with his wavelength in response. The shield would be down meaning it’s an assured KO with the AP, internal damage, and electricity. Even melee which he goes for works.

 

[Froggytron]

Pardon, today had a very busy day, I will reply tomorrow in the morning

 

[Froggytron]

Gunnix could probably predict an attack from Black Star, but not the explosion since there’s nothing to guess that info off of. But maybe he could dodge the explosion if he gets out the way of the punch as Black Star is reaching him. Though with speed equalized and Black Star seemingly just needing to be close for the explosion to hit, it seems unlikely.

The explosion is very small, and Gunnix has a futuristic armor body best evolved and suited for battles. Even would the end of the explosion reach him (unlikely with best-timed dodge), unless it's a direct hit into his body, the explosive damage will slide on him, kinda like a mosquito can fly in the rain, the raindrops of mass 50x greater falling way faster than him slide off his body, and mosquito flies safely (shamefully for us, getting the bites .-.). The evolution plan (Gunnix takes 4th place in) was developed by supergenius members for immerse time and further polished by Frogmen upgrading the armor designs, it should greatly surpass evolution perks like these.

The afterimages are technically also Black Star though since they’re still his shadows and contain traces of real matter. They’re less being controlled by him and more remnants of him which is why Mifune was able to trace the continuity between them. Black Star leaves them behind, but he still made those movements. It’s like Tsubaki said, if you think of Black Star as a single opponent, you’re in for a world of hurt. So they could very well have his Sin Meter carried over.

Black Star's Sin-Meter getting 'temporarily duplicated' into his clones will further point to his main body, with black threats leading here, via this feature of Sin Vision. Someone creating his clones is highly similar to it:

• When someone is forced to do harm while being mind-manipulated, possessed, or controlled by any other means, the Sin Meter instead shows as small threats, leading from the victim to the controller behind their actions. The rate of the one influenced being able to resist is still judged by case-to-case analysis.

Black Star still has the entire environment to move through with flight and would have gained knowledge of the bullets from them hitting the initial afterimage. There seems to be little way the mini gun fires the bullets close enough to really harm him before being taken out. I don’t think you’ve mentioned just Gunnix’s hand being able to speed amp itself. Plus since it’s just placed in the ground which Black Star can gauge from the trajectory of the bullets, it’s easy to dodge from however high up he is and come down to hit. And if it tries changing positions, it’ll have to lock onto Black Star once again which is a losing game when he just has to hit it twice to destroy it. Between his flight, speed amps, and longer range weapons/scarf, he has good method of dealing with it.

• At least Dozens of Meters by Red Laser attack's heat and bass sound aura (slowly decreasing with distance, Plus-droid has a good control on the range)
• 2nd+ Level Red Laser Manipulation (80% F.P.): Aura Also capable of enchanting objects (like Green Laser lightsabers) with Red Laser aura pushing space around, emitting Heat-Light (heating, radiation-poisoning and aging all into the area around). They can enchant their own body too, straight up vaporizing any weaker foes sneaking on them, like shown with Red Stickmen. None of these could be safely used without long-scheduled progressive mastering and experience. See Red Laser page for more info about Red Laser attack properties.

The range of deadly effects, aura, in other words, is Dozens of Meters at Level 2. Given that the hand minigun is hardly meters away from him, the effects will hurt instantaneously. And there is the 3,5 meter wide "ball surface" around Black Star, the Digi-Shield the hand holds around itself. Further, there is a mountain from High 6-B durable walls cast all around him, where each thick layer can withstand smaller time of High 6-B hits at a high-speed amp rush (via the Purple Skeleton Dragons ravaging into it, being far above Gunnix in speed).

What’s a red forcefield? And why wouldn’t soul energy be able to just go through it like someone’s body? Going through someone directly to their organs is considered a form of durability negation. And unless Gunnix can touch souls, it’s probably intangibility too. Also what do you mean the shield is around “it” and Black Star? I think Black Star could destroy the gun by stomping, destroying the ground and its shield then attack it again.

When you look at this Spagmatron's art, you can see a big "ball red forcefield" around him. That is a Digi Shield.

Gunnix has these as well but at Country Level durability, called Super Digi Shields. He can summon them around himself, but around any part of his body as well, via his dropped arm. The arm has this big "ball forcefield" summoned around itself and Black Star (coming through the portal) to prevent him from easily escaping. He can destroy the hand (being beside him, buried in the ground), but in that instant there are in the lowest hundreds of Red Laser shots already fired, emitting AOE radiation + dozens of Celsius heat + aging aura around them in the dozens of meters distance, against non of these Black Star's profile lists resistances. I hope it's clearer now.

Can’t Black Star just break the mountain even if he does get trapped in it which already depends on him not beating the mini gun in a quick fashion? There’s no way Gunnix will be able to run away forever before Black Star catches up and hits him with a soul attack.

Won't he be done from the four-level 4 AOE effects before then, burying to him dozes of heat/radiation/aging a human shouldn't withstand even for a fraction of a second?

 

[MintyBoi1]

The explosion is very small, and Gunnix has a futuristic armor body best evolved and suited for battles. Even would the end of the explosion reach him (unlikely with best-timed dodge), unless it's a direct hit into his body, the explosive damage will slide on him, kinda like a mosquito can fly in the rain, the raindrops of mass 50x greater falling way faster than him slide off his body, and mosquito flies safely (shamefully for us, getting the bites .-.). The evolution plan (Gunnix takes 4th place in) was developed by supergenius members for immerse time and further polished by Frogmen upgrading the armor designs, it should greatly surpass evolution perks like these.

Black Star's Sin-Meter getting 'temporarily duplicated' into his clones will further point to his main body, with black threats leading here, via this feature of Sin Vision. Someone creating his clones is highly similar to it:

• When someone is forced to do harm while being mind-manipulated, possessed, or controlled by any other means, the Sin Meter instead shows as small threats, leading from the victim to the controller behind their actions. The rate of the one influenced being able to resist is still judged by case-to-case analysis.

• At least Dozens of Meters by Red Laser attack's heat and bass sound aura (slowly decreasing with distance, Plus-droid has a good control on the range)
• 2nd+ Level Red Laser Manipulation (80% F.P.): Aura Also capable of enchanting objects (like Green Laser lightsabers) with Red Laser aura pushing space around, emitting Heat-Light (heating, radiation-poisoning and aging all into the area around). They can enchant their own body too, straight up vaporizing any weaker foes sneaking on them, like shown with Red Stickmen. None of these could be safely used without long-scheduled progressive mastering and experience. See Red Laser page for more info about Red Laser attack properties.

The range of deadly effects, aura, in other words, is Dozens of Meters at Level 2. Given that the hand minigun is hardly meters away from him, the effects will hurt instantaneously. And there is the 3,5 meter wide "ball surface" around Black Star, the Digi-Shield the hand holds around itself. Further, there is a mountain from High 6-B durable walls cast all around him, where each thick layer can withstand smaller time of High 6-B hits at a high-speed amp rush (via the Purple Skeleton Dragons ravaging into it, being far above Gunnix in speed).

When you look at this Spagmatron's art, you can see a big "ball red forcefield" around him. That is a Digi Shield.

Gunnix has these as well but at Country Level durability, called Super Digi Shields. He can summon them around himself, but around any part of his body as well, via his dropped arm. The arm has this big "ball forcefield" summoned around itself and Black Star (coming through the portal) to prevent him from easily escaping. He can destroy the hand (being beside him, buried in the ground), but in that instant there are in the lowest hundreds of Red Laser shots already fired, emitting AOE radiation + dozens of Celsius heat + aging aura around them in the dozens of meters distance, against non of these Black Star's profile lists resistances. I hope it's clearer now.

Won't he be done from the four-level 4 AOE effects before then, burying to him dozes of heat/radiation/aging a human shouldn't withstand even for a fraction of a second?

The explosion should at the very least expose cracks in his armor with the AP difference, even if it’s not a direct hit. Like a knife cutting your side instead of your chest. And as for being small, it has a wide area of effect and is at least several meters, likely tens of meters plus will be spawned right in front of Gunnix.

I’m a bit iffy on the similarities there, nobody is being forced to do anything when it’s clones, but Gunnix’s senses do seem advanced enough to possibly scope out the real Black Star. It definitely won’t be something he can just do immediately though.

At this point Black Star and Gunnix would’ve been flying for minutes, they should be miles away from the ground where the hand is. Even with that AOE, it has to travel fast enough to catch an amped opponent with more mobility and clones to tanks attacks. Unless the mountain gives no moving room at all, Black Star is at an advantage. And Black Star destroying the ground should throw it off and let it be easily destroyed before it gets the chance to attack again.

The ground being destroyed means the gun would have to aim while sinking into a crater before Black Star just breaks it. And being able to fly kilometers should counteract dozens of meters of negative effects and let him comfortably break through the mountain and pursue Gunnix.

If he maintains distance which is very possible with his power set, he should be able to survive the gun and reach Gunnix before hitting him with any one of his attack options which can reduce Gunnix’s shields and proceed to one shot him.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Why does black star have a tangible sin meter? Is he evil? I figured those sin meter things would only really apply to evil combatants and I know nothing of soul eater, so I don’t know what the deal with black star is

 

[Froggytron]

The explosion should at the very least expose cracks in his armor with the AP difference, even if it’s not a direct hit. Like a knife cutting your side instead of your chest. And as for being small, it has a wide area of effect and is at least several meters, likely tens of meters plus will be spawned right in front of Gunnix.

Cracks possibly with the explosion's unique shape, but then again:

• 1st+ Level Matter Manipulation: Healing (80% Frogman Physiology allows to passively pull nearby materials and fill gaps in the body, once more functioning. Materials are pulled by singular atoms, to spectators it appears for materials around 1st level FU Android to slowly disappear from one direction, while similarly appearing in FU Android's armor wounds. Losing a body / having a body beyond repair passively triggers 'Drawback Mode', tremously boosting the force of pulling inorganic materials to reconstruct a new body).
• 2nd+ Level Matter Manipulation: strengthened Healing (level 2 80% Frogman Physiology automatically vacuums nearby materials to repair damages, at a stronger rate. 'Drawback Mode' boost also gets stronger, able to attack with the environment around until FU Android's body gets fully remade. Currently possessed body not in 'Drawback Mode' also gains stronger 'Attack Fathering', lowering 20% of incoming damage, if unable to travel the artificial boundaries created around the possessed body passively.
• 3rd+ Level Matter Manipulation: strengthened Healing and Air Manipulation

A 4th-level Gunnix crack repair time reaches such heights that Black Star will hardly see them being dealt in the first place.

I’m a bit iffy on the similarities there, nobody is being forced to do anything when it’s clones, but Gunnix’s senses do seem advanced enough to possibly scope out the real Black Star. It definitely won’t be something he can just do immediately though.

Why does black star have a tangible sin meter? Is he evil? I figured those sin meter things would only really apply to evil combatants and I know nothing of soul eater, so I don’t know what the deal with black star is

Sin-Meter is always visible with Sin Vision, it's many times metaphorically referred to as adjusted 'thermal vision', or like seeing a red ball in white endless grass, where low-sin meter fill is grey.

The difference is the scale of the white and black inside of the form, even the Sin Vision image illustrates a very low Sin-Meter being visibly present with shape (black outlines) and darker white within, yet mostly empty with evil deeds inside (representing a black liquid). What wouldn't be seeable would be a buddha in his first life, never even once in his life doing the smallest selfish/toxic/awful action, for his Sin-Meter outline to not appear.

The issue with clones is the inability to duplicate or transfer Sin-Meter. Either the clones are taken as puppets/medium for their caster's mind (then they link with threats to them + making it clear in which body the user's soul is), or they mark newly alive beings created with their own soul thinking for themselves (theoretically without the outline) willingly cooperating with the user, which will start their own Sin-Meter value by doing harm for themselves. In Black Star's case, it seems they mimic his own body and style, linking to his Sin-Meter, rather than being new beings.

At this point Black Star and Gunnix would’ve been flying for minutes, they should be miles away from the ground where the hand is. Even with that AOE, it has to travel fast enough to catch an amped opponent with more mobility and clones to tanks attacks. Unless the mountain gives no moving room at all, Black Star is at an advantage. And Black Star destroying the ground should throw it off and let it be easily destroyed before it gets the chance to attack again.

The portal Gunnix exit was at the surface level, 8 meters tall. Even entering with its roof part, Black Star would be cca 7,5 meters from the hand, making the newly deployed bullets instantly effective, like if a sun was there in the place of the hand, the sunshine would reflect off his body instantly. It's true with 7,5 meters between, it's output is slightly reduced, but then again the mountain prolongs escape even with the Digi-Shield broken.

The ground being destroyed means the gun would have to aim while sinking into a crater before Black Star just breaks it. And being able to fly kilometers should counteract dozens of meters of negative effects and let him comfortably break through the mountain and pursue Gunnix.

If he maintains distance which is very possible with his power set, he should be able to survive the gun and reach Gunnix before hitting him with any one of his attack options which can reduce Gunnix’s shields and proceed to one shot him.

The gun doesn't have to aim, just like a proper sci-fi minigun it just shoots thousands of up to 14-meter-long gigantic bullets with dozes of thousands Celsius in front of it widespread, each of them radiating the side effects like the sun radiates light. All that matters for the gun is Black Star present close and upwards, the size and wide range are likely to do their job on their own.

 

[MintyBoi1]

I guess if Gunnix can manage to escape the initial onslaught, he could beat Black Star. Still not sure if it’s the most likely option with true flight being better than just a jet pack and Gunnix being pursued for melee/soul wavelength attacks from the start of the fight, but it does seem he has strategies that could beat the duo. I’ll vote him.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Star impressed me! Gunnix FRA

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Gunnix kills the big shot FRA

 

[Javenplayz253]

GUN NIX FRA

 

[Froggytron]

I guess if Gunnix can manage to escape the initial onslaught, he could beat Black Star. Still not sure if it’s the most likely option with true flight being better than just a jet pack and Gunnix being pursued for melee/soul wavelength attacks from the start of the fight, but it does seem he has strategies that could beat the duo. I’ll vote him.

Given that Black Star doesn't have teleportation or portals to scare Gunnix non-stop with his 'Planet Destruction Cannon', Gunnix will keep pulling more and more of his arsenal to evade and use other sets of attacks (like the paralyzing sound he would go for if he still escaped the mountain oven set up on him), until Black Star cannot continue chasing him anymore. But still, what a good match, Gunnix was put to a challenge!

Gunnix FRA

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

5 votes, needs to be added

 

[Froggytron]

5 votes, needs to be added

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