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Quick Waltraute update

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A few simple changes to Waltraute.

First, this calc was approved so she and those that scale should get Town level+ stats.


Second, some more explanation should be added.
For her Striking Strength let's add her punching her fellow god Heimdallr.
“You fool!!!!” Waltraute’s iron fist sent Heimdallr’s giant form rolling across the runway like a pebble. “I am a heavenly being that rules over battles and I watch over all events with a winner and a loser!! I cannot interfere in a competition with clear rules!!”
(Chapter 1 Part 2)

“Well, you take it and you do this,” said Heimdallr as he explained it mostly with some vague gestures.

“…!?!?!?”

Without thinking, Waltruate brought down her fist and Heimdallr very nearly became one with the 3rd runway.
(Chapter 1 Part 3)

This interfered with Heimdallr’s work, so he looked troubled as he asked, “How long are you going to do this?”

“Sh-shut up. He went through a lot. It only happened because of the faulty rules I came up with, so I need to observe him to make sure there are no lasting effects.”

“If you’re that worried, you could have chosen not to live apart…”

“Make no mistake, you fool!!”

Waltraute’s iron fist flew and sent Heimdallr writhing in pain from enough damage to immediately kill someone who was not a god.
(Chapter 1 Part 8)

And for her durability it should be noted that, while lesser, she should also not be uncomparable to her more defense specialized sister Rossweisse.
As for the reason: The Valkyrie's are all of the same essence.
“Are you referring to the fact that the Valkyries are a set of nine and that set is what controls the military force of Einherjar?”

“Even if they are nine individuals, their essences are connected. Waltraute alone is the same as the other eight. If she yields to a single human, that binds the other eight as well. The right to command the entire force of Einherjar will indirectly fall to that boy.”

“Yes, the Wagner Method. But is there any reason to go along with it? If you kick out Waltraute, you should still be able to maintain the Valkyrie system.”
They still each have their specialization, but just as Waltraute's speed specialization isn't enough to blitz the rest, Rossweisse shouldn't be worlds apart from the rest either.


Third, the profile already notes "doesn't need air".
“Um, do you know the relationship between altitude and atmospheric pressure? The higher you go, the less oxygen there is. Divine beings like us are fine, but I think a human child is in trouble if he does not have oxygen.”
(Chapter 1 Part 3)
That should be linked to self-sustenance now that we have that ability.
 
I disagree with the reason given for Waltraute being comparable to Rossweisse.

"Their essences are connected. Actions which adversely effect one of them can affect the rest" has absolutely nothing to do with their stats in general being comparable.

Also, is there any source for how strong Heimdallr is?
 
I disagree with the reason given for Waltraute being comparable to Rossweisse.

"Their essences are connected. Actions which adversely effect one of them can affect the rest" has absolutely nothing to do with their stats in general being comparable.
I think the implication here is that they are created based on a similar basis with only slight individual differences. Like how it says Waltraute is the same as the other eight in the quote in the OP.
“(How about we send in another Valkyrie?)”

“(She already struck down the Midgard Serpent for interfering. If another Valkyrie approached him, a war amongst the Valkyries would probably break out with them yelling about NTR this and NTR that.)”

“(I have heard that the essences of the nine Valkyries are connected, but I suppose they still fight due to their individual differences.)”
Odin notes that he created their stats.
“Footsteps…?” Sweat dripped down the ridges of the head god’s nose. “Mere footsteps are giving off this much resolve? Wait, I never gave Waltraute this much output!!”
As said, it's also that the specializations in general aren't so overwhelming that one can completely flatten the others with one.
“You may be superior when it comes to maneuverability,” whispered the eldest sister Brynhildr to finish the conversation. “But we each have our own specialties. Surely you do not think you can outdo us in any category other than maneuverability.”

For example…

The ninth sister Rossweisse had defensive power.

The much too large armor covering her slender body told it all. She sacrificed speed for that solid armor, but she could withstand several strikes from the Spears of Destroying Lightning fired by the other Valkyries.

The second sister Gerhilde had her great number of simultaneous attacks.

In both hands, she held the types of sticks used to control the strings of a marionette. She could use them to use 10 Spears of Destroying Lightning at once.
The other eight Valkyrie sisters closed in on the fourth sister Waltraute.

They had their Spears of Destroying Lightning, the army of Einherjar under their command, and the hero Siegfried controlled with both love and hatred by the eldest sister Brynhildr. They used all of that to advance on the traitor they deemed to be a real threat.

But Waltraute smiled.

“Simply getting into a fight to suit the situation is too boring. Let us bet a definite prize on the outcome.”

“A competition?” muttered Brynhildr as her tone of voice completely changed. “You dare enter into a competition with the Valkyries that oversee such things for the gods who rule over war!? Surely you know how reckless that is, Waltraute!!”

“I experienced it enough thanks to that boy from Midgard. I am painfully aware what a competition entails, Brynhildr,” said Waltraute quietly. “Let the competition begin. All eight of you can come at me at once if you wish. But once all eight of you have been rendered unable to fight, you must restrain from making any attacks that might involve that boy.”

“We planned to crush you regardless of any such promises…but you have a deal, Waltraute! However, I am only giving you this small hope so I can smash it to pieces!! You never had a chance of victory here!!”
(Are you trying to remove our weapons and armor to prevent us from fighting?)

Brynhildr guessed at Waltraute’s intentions.

“Fool!! Did you really think a tool developed to remove our armor while we lie motionless on a bed can do anything while we are moving at full speed!?”
So I don't think Rossweisse would have a durability that is more than 10 times tougher than Waltraute.
Also, is there any source for how strong Heimdallr is?
As the quote already states, stronger than any mortal. He should be a pure god (contrary to Valkyries) that guards the Bifrost.
It seems pure god combatants are able to fight on Valkyrie level.
“You likely did so to quickly begin your bombardment from above and to stress adaptability and individual strength, but it was a mistake to create a force made up entirely of Valkyries. The outcome might have been different had you added in a pure god.”
Aside from that Waltaute also beat up Thor and Odin. I think their standing in Norse mythology should be clear.
At first, Odin thought a large explosion had occurred within. It sounded like the gods had started fighting to the death.

But he was wrong.

The tremendous vibrations continued and grew closer as they did. This was not the sound of a fight. Finally, Odin realized what it was.

“Footsteps…?” Sweat dripped down the ridges of the head god’s nose. “Mere footsteps are giving off this much resolve? Wait, I never gave Waltraute this much output!!”
The doors of the entrance burst open. The thunder god Thor, who held the #2 spot when it came to power, came tumbling into the great hall.

“E-eee!! Father!! Father!!”

“What is it, Thor? Your face looks beat up and your hair is all frizzy!”

“I-I lost in a battle of thunder… My entire identity as the thunder god has been denied, so what am I to do now!?”

The area on the other side of the open doors was pitch black.

The killer intent emitted by sapient beings was supposed to be invisible, yet Odin clearly saw an illusion before his eyes.

It was obvious who was emitting it.

The darkness and thickness of the shadow showed the approach of the danger.
“What do you mean, father?”

That question was asked by the lightning god Thor who was Odin’s son.

Thor had been thoroughly beaten by a pissed Waltraute last time and had been on the verge of losing any meaning to his existence thanks to losing in a competition of lightning, but he was just barely holding onto his position as the lightning god.

Odin arrogantly replied to Thor from his throne.
 
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I think the implication here is that they are created based on a similar basis with only slight individual differences. Like how it says Waltraute is the same as the other eight.

Odin notes that he created their stats.

As said, it's also that the specializations in general aren't so overwhelming that one can completely flatten the others with one.

So I don't think Rossweisse would have a durability that is more than 10 times tougher than Waltraute.
  1. Their essences being connected seems like more of a voodoo doll-type thing.
  2. Odin creating their stats tells us nothing about how comparable they are.
  3. Valkyries having specialisations is relevant to the point you're making, but still argues against the proposal you outline in the OP. It says that valkyries are exceptional in one area, but comparable in the rest. Yet from the OP, you're trying to scale the maneuverable one to the defensive one's defense; which is the exact one point they shouldn't be comparable. From this quote, if another one of the valkyries (say, the attack-focused one) had a durability feat, I'd be fine scaling that to Waltraute, however....
  4. This quote has Waltraute saying she can take out the other 8 valkyries in an 8v1. I kinda feel like this goes against the point you're making. Either way this seems pretty low on information, I think the conclusion of this confrontation would be the most important part.
  5. I don't understand the point of this armour removal quote.
Also, part of the issue with trying to reason out vague modifiers from stuff like this, is that different series can have vastly different barriers for what constitutes a blitz/one-shot/no-sell. Maybe she can't be 2x weaker, maybe she's 100x weaker but insurmountable gaps reside around 1000x.
As the quote already states, stronger than any mortal. He should be a pure god (contrary to Valkyries) that guards the Bifrost.
It seems pure god combatants are able to fight on Valkyrie level.

Aside from that Waltaute also beat up Thor and Odin. I think their standing in Norse mythology should be clear.
None of this really lends itself to a specific tier though.
  1. Beyond mortals means it's at least 9-C.
  2. Gods can do something in fights with valkyries, so they'd be as strong as baseline valkyrie dura once we come to an agreement on that.
  3. Odin being astonished by Waltraute approaching doesn't give us anything concrete.
  4. Thor getting beaten-up by Waltraute in a "battle of thunder" might scale his dura to Spears of Destroying Lightning, but if it does, then Waltraute wouldn't be able to get SS from this interaction.
Maybe we could just wait for this first thread of conversation to disentangle itself?
 
  1. Their essences being connected seems like more of a voodoo doll-type thing.
  2. Odin creating their stats tells us nothing about how comparable they are.
  3. Valkyries having specialisations is relevant to the point you're making, but still argues against the proposal you outline in the OP. It says that valkyries are exceptional in one area, but comparable in the rest. Yet from the OP, you're trying to scale the maneuverable one to the defensive one's defense; which is the exact one point they shouldn't be comparable. From this quote, if another one of the valkyries (say, the attack-focused one) had a durability feat, I'd be fine scaling that to Waltraute, however....
  4. This quote has Waltraute saying she can take out the other 8 valkyries in an 8v1. I kinda feel like this goes against the point you're making. Either way this seems pretty low on information, I think the conclusion of this confrontation would be the most important part.
  5. I don't understand the point of this armour removal quote.
1. & 2. Those points belong together. It's not quite a Voodoo thing, as there is the difference that it's not an effect forced from the outside, but something happening due to their nature. As I understand it they were created from the same essence by Odin as a set of 9 and with specific stats in mind. They would only be super different if Odin had made one of them much stronger than the rest, but given how they are treated equally and considered the same, I don't think that's the case.
3. They shouldn't be equal, but still comparable. If the specializations were such gigantic boons that they are not remotely comparable (much more than 10x from each other for example) then Waltraute, as the speed focussed one, should have a huge speed advantage on the rest, due to that being her specialization. But in practice, her sisters are said to be able to hit her if they got close. And that's also where the quote you mention in 5. comes in. Even Waltraute, the speed specialized one, is not so fast that she could disengage her sisters armor with the armor removal tool.
If we want to further quantify this look at Gerhilde. Her specialization is to use 10 lightning spears, where her sisters use 1. So that's a quantifiable advantage of times 10, which is pretty much in the ballpark I'm arguing for.

4. She can only do that, because the multi-tool is an anti-Valkyrie device (to say it carefully). She wins the battle by just activating the secret Valkyrie-binding function of the device to instantly restrain her sisters. So I don't think that's relevant to the debate. Without it, her sisters indeed would have got her, despite her speed specialization.
Waltraute grinned and unfolded one of the blades from the multi-tool knife.

Specifically, she unfolded the unwanted new function the dwarves had added with the extra gold.

As soon as she did, a large number of tentacles squirmed out while completely ignoring the law of conservation of mass.

“……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………What?”

Brynhildr was left dumbfounded and Waltraute said, “It seems the dwarves put in a little too much effort on this one. A Valkyrie caught by these things will supposedly pass out and foam at the mouth.”

“Nn…nn…nwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!?!?!?”



Please wait a moment…drool.



“Hm.”

Waltraute pressed the button on the tool’s handle to stop the housewife-pleasing function at the last second. The widowed eldest sister and the other single women were left bound by those slimy objects wrapped all around their bodies.

“You should be thankful this is a love comedy. If it was an erotic novel, this would have gone beyond simply binding your arms and legs.”

“Ha…ha ha.”

Brynhildr laughed weakly after that close call.

The Einherjar she controlled could not act with their commander gone.

“It does seem there is nothing more we can do. We admit defeat. But you are in a dilemma as well, Waltraute.”
Also, part of the issue with trying to reason out vague modifiers from stuff like this, is that different series can have vastly different barriers for what constitutes a blitz/one-shot/no-sell. Maybe she can't be 2x weaker, maybe she's 100x weaker but insurmountable gaps reside around 1000x.


None of this really lends itself to a specific tier though.
  1. Beyond mortals means it's at least 9-C.
  2. Gods can do something in fights with valkyries, so they'd be as strong as baseline valkyrie dura once we come to an agreement on that.
  3. Odin being astonished by Waltraute approaching doesn't give us anything concrete.
  4. Thor getting beaten-up by Waltraute in a "battle of thunder" might scale his dura to Spears of Destroying Lightning, but if it does, then Waltraute wouldn't be able to get SS from this interaction.
Maybe we could just wait for this first thread of conversation to disentangle itself?
It should be noted that Einherja are also mortal souls, but I suppose that ultimately circles back to Valkyrie durability as well.

I will also add that Waltraute IMO shouldn't be weaker than the horse she rides.
That special white horse was not as simple to handle as a normal one. There was no way she could hand that boy of the human world the reins of a rough horse that was known to easily throw off your average god.

Also one more quote I found regarding Waltraute beating Odin.
Waltraute decided the item’s abilities were too much for her to give it back to the boy for the time being.

“This is a difficult issue,” she admitted. “But it is the job of a wife and a god to meet the expectations of her husband and believer. I have no choice but to do something rather reckless.”

“Meaning?”

“I will talk this over with Odin after beating him to a pulp.”
And only one final problem remained.

After making sure a sobbing Odin declared a truce, Waltraute left the heavenly hall of Valhalla. As she did, she spotted an evil god entering.
 
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