Questism verse, minor revisions

[Allegxtions]

Suhyeon should have the matchup against Dowan rediscussed since a major wincon at the point of discussion was Boosters being a 7.7x speed multiplier, which has since been retracted and disproved. Also, the arguments made were just kinda buns so it should've been redone anyways.

Also, Suhyeon should have the ability "Overturn" added to his 'Unite Gangbuk' Key as that's when Questism's Daniel would've joined West Gangbuk. Same with Sechan's "Final Flash".

Also, Haru Seong is misgendered in his Powers and Abilties section so that should also be corrected.

 

[Kakistan]

I'd have to agree, I feel like Suhyeon's kit wasn't properly expanded on in his page. In fact, it's even missing tons of cards that he has at his disposal in Load.

Sechan Kang - Final Flash
Daniel - Overturn
Daniel - Sacrifice
Cheonhak Yang - Grip the Lightning
Cheonhak Yang - Thunder Shoulder Throw
Gukja Yang - El Diablo
Gukja Yang - Yamazaki Kyokushin Karate (3 Star)
Hajun Gu - Overlord Series: Fury Strike
Haru Seong - Capoeira
Haru Seong - Copy
Hyeondong Lee - Tooling
Hyeondong Lee - The Weakest Link

Aside from that, it's missing stuff like: The application of the Dimension Card Buffet could let Suhyeon leave fights, get stronger mid-fight or wait out cooldowns, Power Removal like Banishment (requires him to know the designated name of the ability), Movement Restriction via Chains of Bondage, the rest of Suhyeon's healing abilities, as well as many unique things that he could use via Copy from having seen: CQC (4 Circles), Tetsuzanko, Overlord's Fist, Lion's Roar, Fa Jin, and every martial art in general (Jaeha stated Choyun was displaying every fighting style in existence during Ch. 140).

 

[CatLover313]

For VS rematches, you can always request a VS Thread Removal here. Though not much would change, considering 7.7x Speed Boost would just go down to 5x Speed Boost, as that is still viable, as it was approved (possible ratings are still viable in VS matches). You can request the VS Thread Removal with reasons possibly linking this thread, but I don't believe anything would change the match results if you're still using the Unite Gangbuk Key. Though I wouldn't mind being able to provide a more coherent reasoning, as I was still fairly new on the website during that time.

A Quiet Strength, along with some other abilities, was actually approved here, I guess the person forgot to add it to their EOS Keys. Even then, that wouldn't be added to the Unite Gangbuk key as Daniel and Sechan were only there EoS. It would need to be a separate suggested match for the EOS key, which contains A Quiet Strength to be used. Kind of countered by the new Dowan Skill, but still an interesting debate. I wouldn't mind a separate VS thread, albeit I do know that unless it is a Speed Equalized match, both verse speed scaling will be undergoing transformations soon.

 

[Allegxtions]

For VS rematches, you can always request a VS Thread Removal here. Though not much would change, considering 7.7x Speed Boost would just go down to 5x Speed Boost, as that is still viable, as it was approved (possible ratings are still viable in VS matches).

Thats fine, Dowan still loses.

You can request the VS Thread Removal with reasons possibly linking this thread, but I don't believe anything would change the match results if you're still using the Unite Gangbuk Key. Though I wouldn't mind being able to provide a more coherent reasoning, as I was still fairly new on the website during that time.

Kay kay.

A Quiet Strength, along with some other abilities, was actually approved here, I guess the person forgot to add it to their EOS Keys. Even then, that wouldn't be added to the Unite Gangbuk key as Daniel and Sechan were only there EoS.

Wrong, Daniel was welcomed into West Gangbuk during the war and only didnt officially leave North Gangbuk as to not arouse suspicion and to act as a double agent. Since the Unite Gangbuk key's chapter range includes a slight timeskip somewhere in the aftermath of the war and Daniel has no discernable reason to not join West Gangbuk at that time, I think its fair to put it in that key. Sechan is more debatable ig but idrc.

 

[CatLover313]

Thats fine, Dowan still loses.

Kay kay.

Wrong, Daniel was welcomed into West Gangbuk during the war and only didnt officially leave North Gangbuk as to not arouse suspicion and to act as a double agent. Since the Unite Gangbuk key's chapter range includes a slight timeskip somewhere in the aftermath of the war and Daniel has no discernable reason to not join West Gangbuk at that time, I think its fair to put it in that key. Sechan is more debatable ig but idrc.

Hmm, I know ResoNate was the one who made the CRT and BlackCat approved it and they’re both pretty big supporters. It’s been a while since my last detailed read of the series so I just went with what the CRT said for the reasonings. Though I’d recommend getting A Quiet Strength key figured out as that’s the biggest change factor.

 

[Allegxtions]

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[Allegxtions]

oh yeah and Elixir should be classified as Limited Resurrection

 

[Mercury009]

Do you have proof it actually resurrected someone? It was used on someone considered "brain dead" multiple times to allow them to recover, not outright revive.

 

[Allegxtions]

Do you have proof it actually resurrected someone? It was used on someone considered "brain dead" multiple times to allow them to recover, not outright revive.

Slime is stated to not be able to hold living beings.

Choyun can disposed of Absorbed Corpses in Slime, which must mean they are dead (at least in some capacity).

Since Elixir not only fully cured Sechan of this limbo-death state, it's not far fetched to say it revived him.

 

[Mercury009]

Was Sechan ever seen inside said slime? Because we saw him in the hospital, doctors and all kept it alive through machinery n all that. The other people Choyun absorbed were drained and then never seen again.

I think your point is valid enough to consider Healing not Resurrection.

 

[W3nnW]

oh yeah and Elixir should be classified as Limited Resurrection

Based on Elixir description, It should be Purification (Type 3) and Energy Restoration.

 

[Kakistan]

For those wondering about Allegations' point, I will clarify on it:

1. We see Choyun absorb Heo Jintae (Chapter 113) fully and then immediately put him in the Slime. This even happens another time with Jikwang in the backstory, meaning it's not a one-off situation. It's also possible that this is what he did to his Mother after finding out it didn't work when she was alive.

2. Slime cannot take in living people, that's seen when he tried to use it on his Mom (Chapter 162), meaning those who are fully absorbed (consisdering it's stated to take their life force too) are actually considered 'dead' in the universe.

3. Sechan was absorbed the same way by Choyun, having his entire life force drained out of him by Great Absorption Technique. This means he was in the same state that Jikwang/Jintae were that registered them "non-living" and viable to be eaten by the Slime.

4. Sechan, despite being considered dead by the System itself, was fully restored to maximum health by Elixir.

Basically, it's Healing, Purification and Resurrection. All three things that were suggested.

 

[Mercury009]

There is still the possibility of "going overboard" and drain someone completely and thus them dying after, the point was seeing Sechan going in the slime, which is never fully shown.

Furthermore: If Sechan was ever sent inside the slime, how did he come outside and people helped him to the hospital? It doesn't make sense at all.

 

[Kakistan]

There is still the possibility of "going overboard" and drain someone completely and thus them dying after, the point was seeing Sechan going in the slime, which is never fully shown.

Furthermore: If Sechan was ever sent inside the slime, how did he come outside and people helped him to the hospital? It doesn't make sense at all.

What? We see the System say that Great Absorption Technique was complete in Chapter 170, meaning it was done to the same extent as it was on Jikwang and Jintae. Suhyeon purposefully never completed his Mana Drain, he left the victims with stats to spare, he only did it for the first time against Cloud Jikwang. We're even shown that a complete drain from Choyun's absorption card will kill the Cloud Copy it's used on.

Seeing Sechan go into Slime is not needed when someone in his exact position could go into it just fine. The point is that he could be put into Slime, not that he was. Basically, Choyun just didn't want Sechan to disappear. Perhaps because of his narcissistic tendencies, perhaps because of the despair it drove into people. We don't know.

If he actually wanted Sechan fully gone from the world, he could have just crushed his skull.

 

[Mercury009]

1. It says "ended", not complete. Which, unlike the other dude who was fully drained and then absorbed by the slime, the indication of activating/deactivating the ability was there.
2. Yall should really add actual scans instead of just indicate the chapter, its a hassle to verify it lol.

 

[Kakistan]

1. It says "ended", not complete. Which, unlike the other dude who was fully drained and then absorbed by the slime, the indication of activating/deactivating the ability was there.
2. Yall should really add actual scans instead of just indicate the chapter, its a hassle to verify it lol.

Oh yeah, my bad, I forget I could easily send multiple images here unlike on reddit.

Used on Sechan. - https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1428107664700866612/1449864416635130019/image.png?ex=694072f6&is=693f2176&hm=9785a2668c82a50f5dbc715d1357d5e19a7834d68b4897f5a6ae44b91909cbca

It's a bit annoying to have to get a link for each screenshot, though.

1. It seems it was just a translation problem on your end, seeing as this is the official translation from the Webtoon. Thus, it's the exact same with the Jintae moment. (The reason why the system window didn't show up is most definitely to keep the card name's a secret, given it was an important moment later on.)

For more evidence, this also happens to Cloudy, who dies from G.A.T being completed on her.

Used on Cloudy. - https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/
1428107664700866612/1449865547188539504/image.png?
ex=69407403&is=693f2283&hm=37c91148c694a8df733bac30af54ad25caf5ca97a27c39e85390377169144b95

Edit: nvm, I guess it doesn't work easily lol
Edit 2: Whatever, here's the link for the chapters with official translations on Bato:
https://bato.si/title/189090-en-questism-official/3712509-ch_142 (Cloudy)
https://bato.si/title/189090-en-questism-official/3712612-ch_170 (Sechan)

 

[Mercury009]

Gonna check it out later today or tomorrow (depends on if work kicks my ass lol), though I suggest Imgur for image hosting. The CRT should also have listed all the cards with their effects, with Wiki's hax/abilities that they would grant. As it is, a staff member can't verify what they actually do

This is mostly for Allegxtions since he started the thread