Questions about Multiverse level feats and Multipliers

[CodeCCLL]

A few questions that have been bothering me, especially since this conversation.

Note 1:

Because the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable

•There are many examples in fiction where universes exist in void rather than being embedded in higher dimensional spaces. Why does tiering system assume that universes are embedded in higher dimensional spaces?

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses...

•For destruction feat at the multiverse level, where it cannot be proven that the energies of the attacks pass through the higher dimensional space in which the universes are embedded, or for creation feats at the multiverse level, where the creation energy is not dispersed into the higher dimensional space, why is there no distinction between characters who perform this feat and characters who perform the ability to pass higher-dimensional space with the energy of their attack?

 

[Digital_Franz]

A few questions that have been bothering me, especially since this conversation.

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•There are many examples in fiction where universes exist in void rather than being embedded in higher dimensional spaces. Why does tiering system assume that universes are embedded in higher dimensional spaces?

Safe assumption I guess.

•For destruction feat at the multiverse level, where it cannot be proven that the energies of the attacks pass through the higher dimensional space in which the universes are embedded, or for creation feats at the multiverse level, where the creation energy is not dispersed into the higher dimensional space, why is there no distinction between characters who perform this feat and characters who perform the ability to pass higher-dimensional space with the energy of their attack?

I think the problem is that scattered energy has no feat. It doesn't affect anything.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Broken link.

Fixed.

Safe assumption I guess

I have no idea how such a thing can be mention about, given that the vast majority of Tier 2 cosmologies do not even have a non-significant 5D space.

I think the problem is that scattered energy has no feat. It doesn't affect anything.

No, there is this note because it obsivously affects.

The only reason why multiversal feats are not increasing by multipliers is because of the unknown distance of gap between universes.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I have no idea how such a thing can be mention about, given that the vast majority of Tier 2 cosmologies do not even have a non-significant 5D space.

Yeah I think I see the problem. It's if there is mention of "separation walls" that the existence of a non-significant 5-D space is confirmed.

No, there is this note because it obsivously affects.

The only reason why multiversal feats are not increasing by multipliers is because of the unknown distance of gap between universes.

Well, yeah. My problem with "it affects" is that let's say the energy is dispersing. It just disperses into empty space and affecting empty space doesn't give any Tier without a feat (unless it's infinite in size).

 

[PrinceofPein]

•There are many examples in fiction where universes exist in void rather than being embedded in higher dimensional spaces. Why does tiering system assume that universes are embedded in higher dimensional spaces?

It is just that the default assumption is that a bunch of universal space models needs to be suspended in a higher D construct for them to exist

•For destruction feat at the multiverse level, where it cannot be proven that the energies of the attacks pass through the higher dimensional space in which the universes are embedded, or for creation feats at the multiverse level, where the creation energy is not dispersed into the higher dimensional space, why is there no distinction between characters who perform this feat and characters who perform the ability to pass higher-dimensional space with the energy of their attack?

This is literally impossible unless the attacks are teleporting from one universe to another in which case the destruction will not be multiversal to begin with.

 

[CodeCCLL]

It is just that the default assumption is that a bunch of universal space models needs to be suspended in a higher D construct for them to exist

Still, shouldn't an addition be made to the note about multipliers, saying "the distance of between universes that are not embedded in higher dimensional spaces cannot be known"?

This is literally impossible unless the attacks are teleporting from one universe to another in which case the destruction will not be multiversal to begin with.

Even though their attacks are not in the form of teleportation, there are some statements in the fiction that I think the writers did not take into account the distance between universes.

For example: In a cosmology with a single universal space-time continuum, would a character with an instantaneous energy output sufficient to destroy/create this universe twice be of Tier 2-C, or would he be twice as powerful as the basic Low 2-C, since the gap between universes is not taken into account?

Another example: Would a character with enough instantaneous energy output to infinite times create/destroy a multiverse with 2 space-time continuums and a un-significant 5D space be Tier 2-A, or would he be infinitely more powerful at basic 2-C due to the fact the gap between universes cannot be taken into account after level 2-C?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Still, shouldn't an addition be made to the note about multipliers, saying "the distance of between universes that are not embedded in higher dimensional spaces cannot be known"?

Not needed as the distance of the ones embedded in higher dimensional spaces also cannot be known

Even though their attacks are not in the form of teleportation, there are some statements in the fiction that I think the writers did not take into account the distance between universes.

For example: In a cosmology with a single universal space-time continuum, would a character with an instantaneous energy output sufficient to destroy/create this universe twice be of Tier 2-C, or would he be twice as powerful as the basic Low 2-C, since the gap between universes is not taken into account?

No he will be low 2-C, there is no such thing as higher than low 2-C while remaining low 2-C.

Another example: Would a character with enough instantaneous energy output to infinite times create/destroy a multiverse with 2 space-time continuums and a un-significant 5D space be Tier 2-A, or would he be infinitely more powerful at basic 2-C due to the fact the gap between universes cannot be taken into account after level 2-C?

I am really not understanding your questions but he will still be 2-C irregardless.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I am really not understanding your questions

Think of it like this: you have your own personal pocket dimension, and you put enough energy into this pocket dimension to create a multiverse with two space-time continuums, and then you add enough energy into this pocket dimension to create a multiverse with two space-time continuums. Can you create a multiverse with four space-time continuums with the energy within this pocket dimension? Or is this can't unknow because the distance of the gap between universes is unknown?

I don't know how to explain it any other way. Because the statements that make me ask this question are exactly like this.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Please send the statements let me see cause I am not getting you. All I am getting is 2-C

 

[CodeCCLL]

Please send the statements let me see cause I am not getting you. All I am getting is 2-C

Okay so one of the examples I mentioned above directly referred to this.

Spoiler: EoS Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

Multiverse level (Rimuru has Turn Null which is the primordial energy which allows the user to destroy the existing world and create a new world. Using his Turn Null, Veldanava was able to create the world which has several parallel universes. Over a period of countless years, Turn Null accumulated in Rimuru's Imaginary Space, which gives him enough energy to recreate the world, which contains many parallel universes, tens of thousands of times)

Is the Turn Null energy mentioned here equivalent to 2-B or not?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Okay so one of the examples I mentioned above directly referred to this.

Spoiler: EoS Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

Multiverse level (Rimuru has Turn Null which is the primordial energy which allows the user to destroy the existing world and create a new world. Using his Turn Null, Veldanava was able to create the world which has several parallel universes. Over a period of countless years, Turn Null accumulated in Rimuru's Imaginary Space, which gives him enough energy to recreate the world, which contains many parallel universes, tens of thousands of times)

Is the Turn Null energy mentioned here equivalent to 2-B or not?

yes it is

 

[Wikisource]

A few questions that have been bothering me, especially since this conversation.

•There are many examples in fiction where universes exist in void rather than being embedded in higher dimensional spaces. Why does tiering system assume that universes are embedded in higher dimensional spaces?

Not really, any gap between two or more universes could be higher dimension but not mean it could be qualify for higher tier.

•For destruction feat at the multiverse level, where it cannot be proven that the energies of the attacks pass through the higher dimensional space in which the universes are embedded, or for creation feats at the multiverse level, where the creation energy is not dispersed into the higher dimensional space, why is there no distinction between characters who perform this feat and characters who perform the ability to pass higher-dimensional space with the energy of their attack?

For such feats it would be necessary to demonstrate that they actually affect the entire structure, rather than simply spreading across universal gap.

 

[Wikisource]

Quote from here.

One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.

And this one.

One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.

 

[CodeCCLL]

yes it is

OK then, thank you.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Not really, any gap between two or more universes could be higher dimension but not mean it could be qualify for higher tier.

For such feats it would be necessary to demonstrate that they actually affect the entire structure, rather than simply spreading across universal gap.

Your answers are really irrelevant to my questions.

Anyway, I basically understood what was bothering me.