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How come SSJ Goku and Vegeta (as well as those who matched the two) are currently labeled as Solar System level, when Goku clearly absorbed SSJG's power into his base?
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Question on SS Goku & Vegeta stats
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Because they're >SPCell. By the way, I'm pretty sure you're referring to SSJ2
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Nah, I mean current SSJ.
For example, Cabba is only labeled as SS level for taking on SSJ Vegeta. However, current Base Goku and Vegeta have surpassed SSJG Goku during the Beerus fight, which should tehnically put him at least at Multi-Galaxy going by the profiles alone.
For example, Cabba is only labeled as SS level for taking on SSJ Vegeta. However, current Base Goku and Vegeta have surpassed SSJG Goku during the Beerus fight, which should tehnically put him at least at Multi-Galaxy going by the profiles alone.
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Oh. Well, it's because there's soooo many things proving otherwise l. For example, Vegeta struggling with most of universe 6 as a normal SSJ, and Goku with Frost.
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yeah i mean goku didn't beat frost and yet vegeta did it by going super sayian. I thought base goku absorbed most of the god ki, making him stronger then a super sayian right?
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That could also mean that Frost is close to Goku in terms of strength.The real cal howard said:
However, Goku never really stuggled with Frost. He wasn't going all out at the start, and even when he went SSJ, he completely demolished Frost while suppressed. He lost due to a needle poisoning him.
With Vegeta, he 1 shot Frost. Cabba was on par with Vegeta. Again, this would scale to Cabba, not downgrade Vegeta.
Also, by the time he fought Cabba, he was exausted from Magetta.
Regarding Magetta, be was tiring Vegeta as he made the air thin from the heat. If you remember, Champa set a barrier around them just to give Magetta the advantage, all while Vegeta had to not touch the barrier or he would lose. He wouldn't have faired nearly as well without it.
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Cabba is the defining factor. Seeing how Cabba didn't even know what a SSJ was, we put him high through scaling. He'd probably not even be stronger than Bardock. And the fact that if Goku was that strong in base, he would've casually killed Frieza's 4th form in a single hit, along with all of Frost's forms. Legitimately a flick would've destroyed.
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He didn't know what a SSJ was. That doesn't mean he isn't above Bardock. If so, Vegeta wouldn't have had an issue, yet he stated he and Cabba were even in base.
Keep in mind that Freeza had gone through insane training. Even Tagomas power was enough to casually destroy FP Base Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin.
Again, we shouldn't scale someone to Frost when we do not know his power. It would be he who is close to Goku, not the other way around.
Keep in mind that Freeza had gone through insane training. Even Tagomas power was enough to casually destroy FP Base Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin.
Again, we shouldn't scale someone to Frost when we do not know his power. It would be he who is close to Goku, not the other way around.
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On Cabba, exactly. They're even in base. That's why the form isn't that strong. Frost was having trouble with Piccolo, and Freeza didn't obliterate Gohan's body. The fact that Gohan survived was testament enough.
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Frost had trouble with Piccolo as he was tired out from Goku.
Freeza was making Gohan suffer, not trying to one shot him.
Again, scaling Vegeta to Cabba is impossible. You can only scale Cabba to Vegeta, as we have no idea to figure out Cabbas power otherwise.
Freeza was making Gohan suffer, not trying to one shot him.
Again, scaling Vegeta to Cabba is impossible. You can only scale Cabba to Vegeta, as we have no idea to figure out Cabbas power otherwise.
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We can, due to the fact that he's a Saiyan, and no base Saiyan has that level of power.
And Frieza, even if he was holding back by trillions, he still should've killed Gohan.
For Frost, the exact same thing as Frieza. No matter how tired, he'd still fodderize Piccolo.
One more thing is Copy-Vegeta not killing Gotenks with basically the same logic as Frieza/Gohan.
And Frieza, even if he was holding back by trillions, he still should've killed Gohan.
For Frost, the exact same thing as Frieza. No matter how tired, he'd still fodderize Piccolo.
One more thing is Copy-Vegeta not killing Gotenks with basically the same logic as Frieza/Gohan.
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@Sparky Yes its true that Goku absorbed SSJG's power into his base but that doesn't necessarily mean that his base surpasses SSJG. The thing is, both Goku and Vegeta can use their normal ki or their god ki depending on their opponents. So far, we have never seen Goku or Vegeta use their god ki along with their base form post-FnF.
The fact that Goku and Vegeta can transform to a regular SSJ which is the yellow/golden colored, it indicates that they were not using their god ki because if they were then it would have resulted to SSB. Further proof is when Goku sparred with Future Trunks, Future Trunks was able to sense Goku's ki in SSJ2 and SSJ3 which means that during that time Goku was using his regular ki rather than god ki since god ki cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a god.
As for why they are only rated as SS level that is due to base Vegeta(which is Copy-Vegeta) fodderizing SSJ3 Gotenks with no diff. at all. With that feat base Goku and Vegeta are already a solid SS level. Therefore as SSJ they are also SS level which scales to the members of the U6 team ecluding Botamo and Hit of course.
The fact that Goku and Vegeta can transform to a regular SSJ which is the yellow/golden colored, it indicates that they were not using their god ki because if they were then it would have resulted to SSB. Further proof is when Goku sparred with Future Trunks, Future Trunks was able to sense Goku's ki in SSJ2 and SSJ3 which means that during that time Goku was using his regular ki rather than god ki since god ki cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a god.
As for why they are only rated as SS level that is due to base Vegeta(which is Copy-Vegeta) fodderizing SSJ3 Gotenks with no diff. at all. With that feat base Goku and Vegeta are already a solid SS level. Therefore as SSJ they are also SS level which scales to the members of the U6 team ecluding Botamo and Hit of course.
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